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Should marriage be abolished?

Yes
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No
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:28 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Nah. To each their own.

But remove the tax benefits and lower taxes over all.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:30 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Nah. To each their own.

But remove the tax benefits and lower taxes over all.

Increase the tax benefits and raise taxes on the unmarried. Think of the children.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:34 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Nah. To each their own.

But remove the tax benefits and lower taxes over all.


What about the other 2000 or so legal things it does?
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Postby Britannia Maior » Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:37 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Nah. To each their own.

But remove the tax benefits and lower taxes over all.


It makes sense, personally, to give married couples those benefits. Though I support it for different reasons and with different circumstances/goals.

Otherwise, yeah, I don’t have any issue with removing those benefits of marriage. Within reason.
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Postby Brunswick-upon-Raritan » Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:47 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:But remove the tax benefits and lower taxes over all.

Increase the tax benefits and raise taxes on the unmarried. Think of the children.

This but unironically. Government must defend the sanctity of the family.
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Postby Britannia Maior » Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:50 pm

Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Increase the tax benefits and raise taxes on the unmarried. Think of the children.

This but unironically. Government must defend the sanctity of the family.


That doesn’t sound like a very good way of ‘defending’ the “sanctity of the family”. If nothing else it makes me reckon it’ll only cause resentment or anger at the unfairness of the treatment.
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:10 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:But remove the tax benefits and lower taxes over all.


What about the other 2000 or so legal things it does?


Yeah I want to stop my wife from making me liable for debt or getting half my stuff after the break up too.
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:13 pm

Only if you plan on buying one of those stickers that says "My kid is an honor's student." Those people should lose their marriage privileges, but apart from that, no.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:14 pm

Major-Tom wrote:Only if you plan on buying one of those stickers that says "My kid is an honor's student." Those people should lose their marriage privileges, but apart from that, no.


You made me chuckle. Thank you. I needed that. :lol2:
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:16 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:Only if you plan on buying one of those stickers that says "My kid is an honor's student." Those people should lose their marriage privileges, but apart from that, no.


You made me chuckle. Thank you. I needed that. :lol2:


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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:16 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
What about the other 2000 or so legal things it does?


Yeah I want to stop my wife from making me liable for debt or getting half my stuff after the break up too.

You married the wrong woman. You should get half her stuff, and stick her with your credit card Bill's.

I am disappointed.
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Postby Capybara Islands » Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:20 pm

Wouldn’t see why anyone would want to “ban” marriage but I think whether or not we need the state to officiate and recognize marriage would be an interesting discussion
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Postby Mirjt » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:35 pm

Marriage abolition is also known as the privatization of marriage (https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Marriage_privatization). All it means is that there are no official marriage licenses, if you want to consider yourself married go ahead, if you want to have a wedding ceremony go ahead (you have have a wedding and marriage with 3 women and 2 men, you have monogamous marriage, you can have same sex marriages etc...). Ideally I think people just should not get married (what a horrible idea), but it is their choice, however the choice to get married should not convey or deny any special privileges or rights.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:57 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:
Yeah I want to stop my wife from making me liable for debt or getting half my stuff after the break up too.

You married the wrong woman. You should get half her stuff, and stick her with your credit card Bill's.

I am disappointed.

Or get a Prenup.
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Postby Minskiev » Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:00 pm

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Postby Hamstan » Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:01 pm

Maybe it shouldn't be abolished, but polygamy shouldn't be illegal
Wait, is it illegal?
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:09 pm

Hamstan wrote:Maybe it shouldn't be abolished, but polygamy shouldn't be illegal
Wait, is it illegal?

In the US? Basically. The only person who has legal rights and benefits is the first spouse, every other "wife/husband" is not recognize and there are no legal rights or protections As far as the US is concerned they are basically mistresses/(whatever the term is for a man). That being said, there is nothing illegal about having a long term mistress/? so long as both are consenting adult.
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Postby US-SSR » Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:11 pm

Geneviev wrote:No. Marriage is one of God's best ideas.


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Postby US-SSR » Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:19 pm

Mirjt wrote:Marriage abolition is also known as the privatization of marriage (https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Marriage_privatization). All it means is that there are no official marriage licenses, if you want to consider yourself married go ahead, if you want to have a wedding ceremony go ahead (you have have a wedding and marriage with 3 women and 2 men, you have monogamous marriage, you can have same sex marriages etc...). Ideally I think people just should not get married (what a horrible idea), but it is their choice, however the choice to get married should not convey or deny any special privileges or rights.


Okay as long as there's a mechanism to ensure the other rights and privileges that go with marriage such as inheritance, alimony, child support, visitation rights, etc., etc. One might could require participants in privatized marriages to enter into legal agreements covering all these eventualities. But in that case we might have to change the name from "marriage privatization movement" to "attorney's full employment movement"...
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Postby Izandai » Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:56 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Hamstan wrote:Maybe it shouldn't be abolished, but polygamy shouldn't be illegal
Wait, is it illegal?

In the US? Basically. The only person who has legal rights and benefits is the first spouse, every other "wife/husband" is not recognize and there are no legal rights or protections As far as the US is concerned they are basically mistresses/(whatever the term is for a man). That being said, there is nothing illegal about having a long term mistress/? so long as both are consenting adult.

I believe the gender-neutral term is "side ho".
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Although for some reason they always act insulted when I try to pay them to communicate how much I value sex.

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Postby New haven america » Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:19 pm

Hamstan wrote:Maybe it shouldn't be abolished, but polygamy shouldn't be illegal
Wait, is it illegal?

Yes.

US tax law and family/divorce court isn't build to deal with it, and because of the puritan nature of the country having multiple consenting partners is still considered a massive taboo.
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Postby Socialist States of Ludistan » Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:23 pm

What’s the benefits from abolishing marriage?
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:24 pm

New haven america wrote:... and because of the puritan nature of the country having multiple consenting partners is still considered a massive taboo.

as it should be.
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Postby Izandai » Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:26 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
New haven america wrote:... and because of the puritan nature of the country having multiple consenting partners is still considered a massive taboo.

as it should be.

Why?
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Your blind porcupine can read text? :blink:

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Izandai wrote:I try to be a generous fuck. I'm more likely to have sex with someone more than once that way.

Although for some reason they always act insulted when I try to pay them to communicate how much I value sex.

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Postby South Odreria 2 » Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:27 pm

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