Indian Soldiers Die Following Standoff with Chinese Forces

[Shanghai industrial complex]

That would worsen the situation and turn it into a real military conflict.Unlike many people's imagination, there is no snow there this season.The real danger there is temperature and oxygen.In the evening, if you don't take oxygen and keep warm immediately after the injury, you may lose your life in an hour or two.

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Killing 20 soldiers is an escalation whether you club them to death or shoot them.

If someone shoots, they're likely to call for a firesupport.
In addition, 17 people died after the conflict due to lack of medical means, which exposed the logistical problems in this area.The conflict maybe will not escalate

[Auze]

Only because China's been moving people over their to work mines and oil refineries. (Also, Taiwan is majority Han and you see how they feel about going back to China)

Plus, the Han could integrate into Uyghurstan society in a similar way as to how Russia's Republics act, except actually independent.

Are you advocating for the cultural genocide of East Turkestan and Tibet? The Han are settlers sent by the Chinese government in order to out number the local populations.

That is literally the opposite of what he advocated for in his post.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

So apparently no bullets were fired.

I don't know if that's true or not, but it has left me imagining the most over-the-top fight sequence that both Bollywood and the Chinese film industry could produce. Hopefully including cameos by Chun-Li and Dhalsim.

It’s the Himalayas, sadly, soldiers falling off of mountainsides isn’t uncommon, I know people who were stationed in the Siachen Glacier area, they would regularly inspect surrounding areas very closely since ice crevices can be hidden. In a conflict with Chinese troops, they wouldn’t have much time to inspect the surrounding areas

Oh yeah fighting is kinda hard on the tallest mountain range in the world

[Atheris]

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[Aureumterra]

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Sino-Indian War 2: Now with Nukes!

[Atheris]

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Sino-Indian War 2: Now with Nukes!

Based!

On a serious note, I doubt if it does go into a full-scale war it'll be nuclear. Both China and India don't have first strike policies.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

Sino-Indian War 2: Now with Nukes!

Based!

On a serious note, I doubt if it does go into a full-scale war it'll be nuclear. Both China and India don't have first strike policies.

If either first strikes, it could be possible that a few other countries may follow suit, initiating MAD.

It’s the Himalayas, sadly, soldiers falling off of mountainsides isn’t uncommon, I know people who were stationed in the Siachen Glacier area, they would regularly inspect surrounding areas very closely since ice crevices can be hidden. In a conflict with Chinese troops, they wouldn’t have much time to inspect the surrounding areas

Oh yeah fighting is kinda hard on the tallest mountain range in the world

If your breathing is already limited at higher altitudes, fighting will surely be much harder, given the amount of labour required to run and do other movements.

Inb4 HOI4 Millenium Dawn and India almost always taking over China there.

[Free Northwest Sovereign]

I literally predicted something like this yesterday

Hypothetically, how different would the landscape of the election look if a massive foreign policy incident occurred between now and the election? Seeing how tense the entire world is right now, East Africa about to erupt, India and China having more standoffs, more tariffs, it’s possible a big foreign policy crisis of sorts occurs that Trump has to deal with, probably regarding China in the post-coronavirus world

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Beat you to it.

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The good part about this is that either Modi or Xi will be humiliated. Either outcome sounds good enough to me.

[Aureumterra]

Why conventional wisdom giving China the military edge over India may not be true

[The Hindustani State]

In light of recent events, I’ve decided to create a new thread as the conflict on the border of the countries escelates

It all began a couple days ago

There was a border standoff with China for a few months now, but for the first time in decades, it has turned deadly. Three Indian soldiers have been killed by Chinese forces a few hours ago.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53061476

Three Indian soldiers have been killed in a clash with Chinese forces in Ladakh in the disputed Kashmir region.

The deaths are the first in the disputed border area in at least 45 years, and follow rising military tensions between the nuclear powers.

The Indian army said senior military officials from both sides were "meeting to defuse the situation", adding that both sides suffered casualties.

An Indian army spokesman said the dead were one officer and two soldiers.

China did not confirm any casualties, but accused India of crossing the border in the Galwan Valley.

Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said India had crossed the border twice on Monday, "provoking and attacking Chinese personnel, resulting in serious physical confrontation between border forces on the two sides", AFP news agency reported.

Both sides insist no bullet has been fired in four decades, and the Indian army said on Tuesday that "no shots were fired" in this latest skirmish.

Local media outlets reported that the Indian soldiers were "beaten to death" but there was no confirmation from the military.
China's Global Times newspaper reported that "solemn representations" had been made with India over the incident.

The clash comes amid rising tensions between the two powers, which have brawled along the border in recent weeks but not exchanged any gunfire.

India has accused China of sending thousands of troops into Ladakh's Galwan valley and says China occupies 38,000sq km (about 14,700sq miles) of its territory. Several rounds of talks in the last three decades have failed to resolve the boundary disputes.

The deaths reported on Tuesday are believed to be the first in decades in a confrontation between the two powers. They have fought only one war so far, in 1962, when India suffered a humiliating defeat.

In May, dozens of Indian and Chinese soldiers exchanged physical blows in a clash on the border in the north-eastern state of Sikkim. And in 2017, the two countries clashed in the region after China tried to extend a border road through a disputed plateau.

Their armies - two of the world's largest - come face to face at many points. The two sides are separated by the poorly demarcated Line of Actual Control (LAC). Rivers, lakes and snowcaps mean the line can shift, provoking confrontation.

There are several reasons why tensions are rising now - but competing strategic goals lie at the root, and both sides blame each other.

India has built a new road in what experts say is the most remote and vulnerable area along the LAC in Ladakh. And India's decision to ramp up infrastructure seems to have infuriated Beijing.

The road could boost Delhi's capability to move men and material rapidly in case of a conflict.

India also disputes part of Kashmir - an ethnically diverse Himalayan region covering about 140,000sq km - with Pakistan.

Over the past week, Indian media have been reporting that troops from both sides had been gradually moving back from their stand-off positions, and that efforts were under way to de-escalate the tensions along the border. So it will come as a surprise to many to hear of a violent clash in which three Indian soldiers were killed.

The last time the two sides exchanged any gunfire along the border was 1975, when four Indian soldiers were killed in a remote pass in north-eastern state of Arunachal Pradesh.

The details of the latest skirmish, and the emergency measures being taken to defuse it, are still unclear.

Whatever the result, the latest incident is likely to trigger a fresh wave of anti-China sentiments in India.

It will also present daunting foreign policy and security challenges to Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his government, which is struggling to contain a surge of Covid-19 infections and revive an economy which looks headed for recession.

More has happened now, Including Pakistan and Nepal becoming involved possibly

Mass Protests have broken out all across India calling for the boycott of all Chinese products, goods made in China are being publicly burnt

So what is your opinion on this?

My opinion, as stated on the other thread, is that China has gone too far this time. They killed Indian soldiers, now the world needs to unite to condemn China and stop at nothing short of a complete trade embargo, if enough countries can strain China, China may finally give in and stop bullying every country in Asia.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

For the second time this year, WW3 is trending

[La Paz de Los Ricos]

For the second time this year, WW3 is trending

Didn't somebody in the first thread mention both India and China have policies preventing them from launching a nuclear strike without provocation?

[Freedom and Memes]

China just wanted to distract the world from the corona virus. China is easily the worst nation in Asia.
No human rights or anything. They already passed out the US, so now they want to lose of India..

[Farnhamia]

In light of recent events, I’ve decided to create a new thread as the conflict on the border of the countries escelates

It all began a couple days ago

There was a border standoff with China for a few months now, but for the first time in decades, it has turned deadly. Three Indian soldiers have been killed by Chinese forces a few hours ago.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53061476

Three Indian soldiers have been killed in a clash with Chinese forces in Ladakh in the disputed Kashmir region.

The deaths are the first in the disputed border area in at least 45 years, and follow rising military tensions between the nuclear powers.

The Indian army said senior military officials from both sides were "meeting to defuse the situation", adding that both sides suffered casualties.

An Indian army spokesman said the dead were one officer and two soldiers.

China did not confirm any casualties, but accused India of crossing the border in the Galwan Valley.

Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said India had crossed the border twice on Monday, "provoking and attacking Chinese personnel, resulting in serious physical confrontation between border forces on the two sides", AFP news agency reported.

Both sides insist no bullet has been fired in four decades, and the Indian army said on Tuesday that "no shots were fired" in this latest skirmish.

Local media outlets reported that the Indian soldiers were "beaten to death" but there was no confirmation from the military.
China's Global Times newspaper reported that "solemn representations" had been made with India over the incident.

The clash comes amid rising tensions between the two powers, which have brawled along the border in recent weeks but not exchanged any gunfire.

India has accused China of sending thousands of troops into Ladakh's Galwan valley and says China occupies 38,000sq km (about 14,700sq miles) of its territory. Several rounds of talks in the last three decades have failed to resolve the boundary disputes.

The deaths reported on Tuesday are believed to be the first in decades in a confrontation between the two powers. They have fought only one war so far, in 1962, when India suffered a humiliating defeat.

In May, dozens of Indian and Chinese soldiers exchanged physical blows in a clash on the border in the north-eastern state of Sikkim. And in 2017, the two countries clashed in the region after China tried to extend a border road through a disputed plateau.

Their armies - two of the world's largest - come face to face at many points. The two sides are separated by the poorly demarcated Line of Actual Control (LAC). Rivers, lakes and snowcaps mean the line can shift, provoking confrontation.

There are several reasons why tensions are rising now - but competing strategic goals lie at the root, and both sides blame each other.

India has built a new road in what experts say is the most remote and vulnerable area along the LAC in Ladakh. And India's decision to ramp up infrastructure seems to have infuriated Beijing.

The road could boost Delhi's capability to move men and material rapidly in case of a conflict.

India also disputes part of Kashmir - an ethnically diverse Himalayan region covering about 140,000sq km - with Pakistan.

Over the past week, Indian media have been reporting that troops from both sides had been gradually moving back from their stand-off positions, and that efforts were under way to de-escalate the tensions along the border. So it will come as a surprise to many to hear of a violent clash in which three Indian soldiers were killed.

The last time the two sides exchanged any gunfire along the border was 1975, when four Indian soldiers were killed in a remote pass in north-eastern state of Arunachal Pradesh.

The details of the latest skirmish, and the emergency measures being taken to defuse it, are still unclear.

Whatever the result, the latest incident is likely to trigger a fresh wave of anti-China sentiments in India.

It will also present daunting foreign policy and security challenges to Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his government, which is struggling to contain a surge of Covid-19 infections and revive an economy which looks headed for recession.

More has happened now, Including Pakistan and Nepal becoming involved possibly

Mass Protests have broken out all across India calling for the boycott of all Chinese products, goods made in China are being publicly burnt

So what is your opinion on this?

My opinion, as stated on the other thread, is that China has gone too far this time. They killed Indian soldiers, now the world needs to unite to condemn China and stop at nothing short of a complete trade embargo, if enough countries can strain China, China may finally give in and stop bullying every country in Asia.

You don't get to do that. You already started a thread, all you had to do was edit the title. I invite you to do so now.

[La Paz de Los Ricos]

Why conventional wisdom giving China the military edge over India may not be true

Yeah, but should Pakistan and Nepal join in, as OP's linked article suggests, then India would have to worry about a much larger portion of their border. Wouldn't that thin out their forces?

[Novus America]

In light of recent events, I’ve decided to create a new thread as the conflict on the border of the countries escelates

It all began a couple days ago

There was a border standoff with China for a few months now, but for the first time in decades, it has turned deadly. Three Indian soldiers have been killed by Chinese forces a few hours ago.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53061476

Three Indian soldiers have been killed in a clash with Chinese forces in Ladakh in the disputed Kashmir region.

The deaths are the first in the disputed border area in at least 45 years, and follow rising military tensions between the nuclear powers.

The Indian army said senior military officials from both sides were "meeting to defuse the situation", adding that both sides suffered casualties.

An Indian army spokesman said the dead were one officer and two soldiers.

China did not confirm any casualties, but accused India of crossing the border in the Galwan Valley.

Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said India had crossed the border twice on Monday, "provoking and attacking Chinese personnel, resulting in serious physical confrontation between border forces on the two sides", AFP news agency reported.

Both sides insist no bullet has been fired in four decades, and the Indian army said on Tuesday that "no shots were fired" in this latest skirmish.

Local media outlets reported that the Indian soldiers were "beaten to death" but there was no confirmation from the military.
China's Global Times newspaper reported that "solemn representations" had been made with India over the incident.

The clash comes amid rising tensions between the two powers, which have brawled along the border in recent weeks but not exchanged any gunfire.

India has accused China of sending thousands of troops into Ladakh's Galwan valley and says China occupies 38,000sq km (about 14,700sq miles) of its territory. Several rounds of talks in the last three decades have failed to resolve the boundary disputes.

The deaths reported on Tuesday are believed to be the first in decades in a confrontation between the two powers. They have fought only one war so far, in 1962, when India suffered a humiliating defeat.

In May, dozens of Indian and Chinese soldiers exchanged physical blows in a clash on the border in the north-eastern state of Sikkim. And in 2017, the two countries clashed in the region after China tried to extend a border road through a disputed plateau.

Their armies - two of the world's largest - come face to face at many points. The two sides are separated by the poorly demarcated Line of Actual Control (LAC). Rivers, lakes and snowcaps mean the line can shift, provoking confrontation.

There are several reasons why tensions are rising now - but competing strategic goals lie at the root, and both sides blame each other.

India has built a new road in what experts say is the most remote and vulnerable area along the LAC in Ladakh. And India's decision to ramp up infrastructure seems to have infuriated Beijing.

The road could boost Delhi's capability to move men and material rapidly in case of a conflict.

India also disputes part of Kashmir - an ethnically diverse Himalayan region covering about 140,000sq km - with Pakistan.

Over the past week, Indian media have been reporting that troops from both sides had been gradually moving back from their stand-off positions, and that efforts were under way to de-escalate the tensions along the border. So it will come as a surprise to many to hear of a violent clash in which three Indian soldiers were killed.

The last time the two sides exchanged any gunfire along the border was 1975, when four Indian soldiers were killed in a remote pass in north-eastern state of Arunachal Pradesh.

The details of the latest skirmish, and the emergency measures being taken to defuse it, are still unclear.

Whatever the result, the latest incident is likely to trigger a fresh wave of anti-China sentiments in India.

It will also present daunting foreign policy and security challenges to Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his government, which is struggling to contain a surge of Covid-19 infections and revive an economy which looks headed for recession.

More has happened now, Including Pakistan and Nepal becoming involved possibly

Mass Protests have broken out all across India calling for the boycott of all Chinese products, goods made in China are being publicly burnt

So what is your opinion on this?

My opinion, as stated on the other thread, is that China has gone too far this time. They killed Indian soldiers, now the world needs to unite to condemn China and stop at nothing short of a complete trade embargo, if enough countries can strain China, China may finally give in and stop bullying every country in Asia.

I agree. United we stand, divided we fall. If we let the PRC salami slice us and pick us apart one at a time they can win. But if we unite against them they have no chance. All targets of the PRC must stand together to sanction them. Because if India falls first then the rest of us fall in turn.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

My opinion, as stated on the other thread, is that China has gone too far this time. They killed Indian soldiers, now the world needs to unite to condemn China and stop at nothing short of a complete trade embargo, if enough countries can strain China, China may finally give in and stop bullying every country in Asia.

I agree. United we stand, divided we fall. If we let the PRC salami slice us and pick us apart one at a time they can win. But if we unite against them they have no chance. All targets of the PRC must stand together to sanction them. Because if India falls first then the rest of us fall in turn.

Domino Theory: The Billion Edition.

Meh, I doubt Europe OR the US are going to see themselves as "targets of the PRC" so there won't be significant sanctions.

[New Bremerton]

In light of recent events, I’ve decided to create a new thread as the conflict on the border of the countries escelates

It all began a couple days ago

There was a border standoff with China for a few months now, but for the first time in decades, it has turned deadly. Three Indian soldiers have been killed by Chinese forces a few hours ago.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53061476

Three Indian soldiers have been killed in a clash with Chinese forces in Ladakh in the disputed Kashmir region.

The deaths are the first in the disputed border area in at least 45 years, and follow rising military tensions between the nuclear powers.

The Indian army said senior military officials from both sides were "meeting to defuse the situation", adding that both sides suffered casualties.

An Indian army spokesman said the dead were one officer and two soldiers.

China did not confirm any casualties, but accused India of crossing the border in the Galwan Valley.

Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said India had crossed the border twice on Monday, "provoking and attacking Chinese personnel, resulting in serious physical confrontation between border forces on the two sides", AFP news agency reported.

Both sides insist no bullet has been fired in four decades, and the Indian army said on Tuesday that "no shots were fired" in this latest skirmish.

Local media outlets reported that the Indian soldiers were "beaten to death" but there was no confirmation from the military.
China's Global Times newspaper reported that "solemn representations" had been made with India over the incident.

The clash comes amid rising tensions between the two powers, which have brawled along the border in recent weeks but not exchanged any gunfire.

India has accused China of sending thousands of troops into Ladakh's Galwan valley and says China occupies 38,000sq km (about 14,700sq miles) of its territory. Several rounds of talks in the last three decades have failed to resolve the boundary disputes.

The deaths reported on Tuesday are believed to be the first in decades in a confrontation between the two powers. They have fought only one war so far, in 1962, when India suffered a humiliating defeat.

In May, dozens of Indian and Chinese soldiers exchanged physical blows in a clash on the border in the north-eastern state of Sikkim. And in 2017, the two countries clashed in the region after China tried to extend a border road through a disputed plateau.

Their armies - two of the world's largest - come face to face at many points. The two sides are separated by the poorly demarcated Line of Actual Control (LAC). Rivers, lakes and snowcaps mean the line can shift, provoking confrontation.

There are several reasons why tensions are rising now - but competing strategic goals lie at the root, and both sides blame each other.

India has built a new road in what experts say is the most remote and vulnerable area along the LAC in Ladakh. And India's decision to ramp up infrastructure seems to have infuriated Beijing.

The road could boost Delhi's capability to move men and material rapidly in case of a conflict.

India also disputes part of Kashmir - an ethnically diverse Himalayan region covering about 140,000sq km - with Pakistan.

Over the past week, Indian media have been reporting that troops from both sides had been gradually moving back from their stand-off positions, and that efforts were under way to de-escalate the tensions along the border. So it will come as a surprise to many to hear of a violent clash in which three Indian soldiers were killed.

The last time the two sides exchanged any gunfire along the border was 1975, when four Indian soldiers were killed in a remote pass in north-eastern state of Arunachal Pradesh.

The details of the latest skirmish, and the emergency measures being taken to defuse it, are still unclear.

Whatever the result, the latest incident is likely to trigger a fresh wave of anti-China sentiments in India.

It will also present daunting foreign policy and security challenges to Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his government, which is struggling to contain a surge of Covid-19 infections and revive an economy which looks headed for recession.

More has happened now, Including Pakistan and Nepal becoming involved possibly

Mass Protests have broken out all across India calling for the boycott of all Chinese products, goods made in China are being publicly burnt

So what is your opinion on this?

My opinion, as stated on the other thread, is that China has gone too far this time. They killed Indian soldiers, now the world needs to unite to condemn China and stop at nothing short of a complete trade embargo, if enough countries can strain China, China may finally give in and stop bullying every country in Asia.

I wholeheartedly stand with India. Chinese goods should be boycotted by everyone around the world. What's happening right now across India in response to this unprovoked Chinese incursion into Indian territory is very encouraging.

I agree. United we stand, divided we fall. If we let the PRC salami slice us and pick us apart one at a time they can win. But if we unite against them they have no chance. All targets of the PRC must stand together to sanction them. Because if India falls first then the rest of us fall in turn.

Domino Theory: The Billion Edition.

Meh, I doubt Europe OR the US are going to see themselves as "targets of the PRC" so there won't be significant sanctions.

Australia does. It's being sanctioned to death by China right now for daring to demand an investigation into the origins of the coronavirus. If anything, ties between Australia, India, and Japan will only be further strengthened in response to Chinese aggression. Economic decoupling WILL proceed as planned. Maybe we can add Indonesia to the list of countries that are fed up with China's antics. China must be completely and utterly surrounded and hemmed in from all directions. Xi Jinping should be afraid of US, the freedom-loving denizens of the civilized world, not the other way around.

[Novus America]

I agree. United we stand, divided we fall. If we let the PRC salami slice us and pick us apart one at a time they can win. But if we unite against them they have no chance. All targets of the PRC must stand together to sanction them. Because if India falls first then the rest of us fall in turn.

Domino Theory: The Billion Edition.

Meh, I doubt Europe OR the US are going to see themselves as "targets of the PRC" so there won't be significant sanctions.

This is different as domino theory was based on ideology in one place spreading to the next.

This is more like the argument for NATO. We realized that letting the Soviets occupy more of Europe was bad for us. We were stronger opposing it together than separately.

The US being able to utilize West German armored divisions to deter the soviets in the 80s made us stronger. Because 4 US plus 6 German armored divisions means 10 total divisions, and ten armored divisions (assuming roughly comparable equipment and training) is going to be logically usually stronger than 4. There is strength in numbers.

The PRC has more people than the US, but the US and India combined have more people than the PRC.

Just because we do not SEE ours selves as targets does not mean we or especially our allies are not targets. Sure I doubt there will be be a sanctions but that is the problem. Our heads are in the sand. We willfully ignore threats because we care more about short term corporate profits than national security.

But this is not a good thing.

[The Hindustani State]

I don’t know if this was mentioned, but the Chinese Embassy in Delhi has gone under military protection, and the ambassador has been allegedly evacuated since they're fearing riots targeting it.

[Stellar Colonies]

Although war is unlikely, I am still leery of one breaking out.

Hopefully however, whatever results from this contributes to the formation of a unified anti-PRC bloc arcing across southern Asia and the Pacific from India to Japan, with US/NATO backing.

[Risottia]

For the second time this year, WW3 is trending

*rushes to buy shares of Fincantieri and Pietro Beretta*

[Aureumterra]

China hands back 10 Indian soldiers taken during border clash, says Indian official

[Atheris]

China hands back 10 Indian soldiers taken during border clash, says Indian official

DAMMIT! I wanted Sino-Indian War Part 2: Electric Boogaloo!

[American Pere Housh]

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Sino-Indian War 2 electric boogaloo