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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:07 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Saiwania wrote:Employers will find ways around this new ruling. Employees don't have as much leverage to sue businesses and etc. If they didn't need the money/job, they'd work for themselves instead of for someone else. How hard is it going to be to prove that x workplace discriminates against LGBT?

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Postby The Free Joy State » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:12 am

Good to see that the U.S. Supreme Court has upheld the rights of LGBT+ people to be protected from workplace discrimination 2 to 1.
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Postby Brunswick-upon-Raritan » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:12 am

“Today, we must decide whether an employer can fire someone simply for being homosexual or transgender,” Gorsuch wrote. “The answer is clear. An employer who fires an individual for being homosexual or transgender fires that person for traits or actions it would not have questioned in members of a different sex. Sex plays a necessary and undisguisable role in the decision, exactly what Title VII forbids.”


Wow, Neil Gorsuch has legitimately impressed me. He didn’t let evangelical partisan hackery get in the way of a simple logical conclusion.
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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:13 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Saiwania wrote:Employers will find ways around this new ruling. Employees don't have as much leverage to sue businesses and etc. If they didn't need the money/job, they'd work for themselves instead of for someone else. How hard is it going to be to prove that x workplace discriminates against LGBT?

This is why union membership should be mandatory


Like we do with the police ?
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:16 am

Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:
“Today, we must decide whether an employer can fire someone simply for being homosexual or transgender,” Gorsuch wrote. “The answer is clear. An employer who fires an individual for being homosexual or transgender fires that person for traits or actions it would not have questioned in members of a different sex. Sex plays a necessary and undisguisable role in the decision, exactly what Title VII forbids.”


Wow, Neil Gorsuch has legitimately impressed me. He didn’t let evangelical partisan hackery get in the way of a simple logical conclusion.


Same for me. Thus far he seems quite reasonable and not as far right as many feared

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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:17 am

It's illegal to not hire gays but perfectly legal to deny them healthcare coverage now.

Wtf America? Why?
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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:18 am

Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:
“Today, we must decide whether an employer can fire someone simply for being homosexual or transgender,” Gorsuch wrote. “The answer is clear. An employer who fires an individual for being homosexual or transgender fires that person for traits or actions it would not have questioned in members of a different sex. Sex plays a necessary and undisguisable role in the decision, exactly what Title VII forbids.”


Wow, Neil Gorsuch has legitimately impressed me. He didn’t let evangelical partisan hackery get in the way of a simple logical conclusion.

Why would a Catholic/Episcopal be subject to evangelical partisan hackery ?
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Postby Geneviev » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:20 am

I'm very surprised by Justice Gorsuch, but it's the right decision. America isn't totally lost yet.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:22 am

If this is how they ruled on the discrimination case it gives me hope they will do the right thing when it comes to the adoption case.

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Postby Free Northwest Sovereign » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:25 am

Kargintina the Third wrote:ok

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This sums it up nicely.
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Thermodolia wrote:Ya the internet is gonna be broken for awhile. Gorsuch apparently wrote the majority opinion


I found that extremely surprising. Perhaps he's not as conservative as we thought he was.

The definition of conservative has shifted so far right in America that political labels are much trickier now. The stranger part is that a Trump Administration pick decided to do his job right.

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Postby Brunswick-upon-Raritan » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:25 am

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Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:
Wow, Neil Gorsuch has legitimately impressed me. He didn’t let evangelical partisan hackery get in the way of a simple logical conclusion.

Why would a Catholic/Episcopal be subject to evangelical partisan hackery ?


That’s the M.O. for most of the Trump admin’s policies, the President’s not an Episcopalian.
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Postby Brunswick-upon-Raritan » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:27 am

Rojava Free State wrote:It's illegal to not hire gays but perfectly legal to deny them healthcare coverage now.

Wtf America? Why?



Different branches of government. The change in non-discrimination rules by Trump’s HHS is actually an interesting test of this ruling. Employer based health insurance is subject to Title VII protection against sex discrimination.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:29 am

Rojava Free State wrote:It's illegal to not hire gays but perfectly legal to deny them healthcare coverage now.

Wtf America? Why?

That only covers trans people iirc
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:30 am

Neutraligon wrote:Well, there goes the health change Trump just did.

Does this actually undo that?


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Thermodolia wrote:This is why union membership should be mandatory

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Postby Galloism » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:33 am

Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:
“Today, we must decide whether an employer can fire someone simply for being homosexual or transgender,” Gorsuch wrote. “The answer is clear. An employer who fires an individual for being homosexual or transgender fires that person for traits or actions it would not have questioned in members of a different sex. Sex plays a necessary and undisguisable role in the decision, exactly what Title VII forbids.”


Wow, Neil Gorsuch has legitimately impressed me. He didn’t let evangelical partisan hackery get in the way of a simple logical conclusion.

It actually makes good sense.

Maybe congress didn't expect it would be used that way, but if the statutory language supports it, then it would be up to congress to fix (or break, depending on your point of view) it.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:33 am

Ifreann wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Well, there goes the health change Trump just did.

Does this actually undo that?

Apparently Employer based healthcare is subject to title VII so in effect this definitely does cover the majority of people
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Postby Brunswick-upon-Raritan » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:41 am

Ifreann wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Well, there goes the health change Trump just did.

Does this actually undo that?


I think it will. This ruling is a judgment based on Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, while Trump’s HHS changed its interpretation of the 2010 Affordable Care Act, but the argument is the same in both cases on what sex discrimination is. Trump says healthcare providers aren’t responsible for sex discrimination beyond biological sex, but SCOTUS says that’s not how it works.
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Postby Grenartia » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:48 am

Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Does this actually undo that?


I think it will. This ruling is a judgment based on Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, while Trump’s HHS changed its interpretation of the 2010 Affordable Care Act, but the argument is the same in both cases on what sex discrimination is. Trump says healthcare providers aren’t responsible for sex discrimination beyond biological sex, but SCOTUS says that’s not how it works.


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I wonder how Trump will react.
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Stellar Colonies wrote:I wonder how Trump will react.

He will probably fire someone.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:54 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Does this actually undo that?

Apparently Employer based healthcare is subject to title VII so in effect this definitely does cover the majority of people

Sweet.


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Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:
I think it will. This ruling is a judgment based on Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, while Trump’s HHS changed its interpretation of the 2010 Affordable Care Act, but the argument is the same in both cases on what sex discrimination is. Trump says healthcare providers aren’t responsible for sex discrimination beyond biological sex, but SCOTUS says that’s not how it works.


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Postby New Bremerton » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:54 am

:clap:

This is awesome. I'm happy for LGBT+ Americans.

This historic ruling also indicates that Brett Kavanaugh, a nominally conservative justice and Trump appointee whose Supreme Court nomination and appointment radical feminist Democrats were hell-bent on opposing, is a sensible moderate who thinks VERY highly of LGBT+ people despite his dissenting stance, rather than a far-right, homophobic, transphobic, theocratic bigot who wants to see gays thrown off rooftops. Ditto Neil Gorsuch, another nominally conservative Trump appointee who ruled in favor of outlawing workplace discrimination against LGBT+ people. Let's hope that both of them see sense and vote to uphold Roe v. Wade. I pray Susan Collins is right about Kavanaugh.
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Postby Grenartia » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:56 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:I wonder how Trump will react.

He will probably fire someone.


Not like he can fire anyone in SCOTUS.

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Postby Brunswick-upon-Raritan » Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:00 am

Ifreann wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
This is the moment in gay rights where you get the BFG 9000 and start yeeting demons by the dozen.

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The Supreme Court has appeased the ancient gay gods!
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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:01 am

Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:Why would a Catholic/Episcopal be subject to evangelical partisan hackery ?


That’s the M.O. for most of the Trump admin’s policies, the President’s not an Episcopalian.

No one on the supreme court is evangelical.
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