“Non-Binary”: Are There Only Two?

[Tamakuni]

I'll keep it simple. I'm a lesbian, which means I am a biological female who is exclusively attracted to other biological females. It really is that simple, at least in my case.

[Necroghastia]

I'll keep it simple. I'm a lesbian, which means I am a biological female who is exclusively attracted to other biological females. It really is that simple, at least in my case.

A lot of lesbians are cool with trans women.
I'm also not sure what that has to do with NB people, other than NB lesbians and lesbians who date NB people are also valid.

[Nakena]

The most common mistake - and as a gray aro/ace I'll say this about the LGBT community in a game of "criticise the one thing you love the most" - is conflating gender identity and expression, and sexual orientation. The acronym SOGI/SOGIE* stems from the need to keep sexual orientation, gender identity, and gender expression distinct (and you might even add a "romantic orientation" component to accommodate the aromantics), and it's best summarised in "The Genderbread Person":

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Yes, I know it just got hairier with the sliders there. And I'm gonna contest the "gender isn't binary" bit there: if gender isn't binary, why is there just two slider options, and that is "maleness" and "femaleness"?

EDIT: Here's Genderbread Person v4. Apparently I posted Genderbread Person v2.1. But my contest of the "gender isn't binary" bit remains: if gender isn't binary, why are there only two slider options for Sexual Orientation, Gender Identity, and Gender Expression, and those are pretty much just "male" and "female"?

*interchangeably used, but I just went with SOGIE because it's how it's done here in the Philippines.

This is pretty lit.

[Centai Mal]

Why? I’m pretty happy as my very gay self. Literally the only downside is that a few people (the most vocal being my parents) don’t “approve” of my lifestyle

The discrimination he would receive, the difficulty to find a partner, etc

Look, I do face discrimination (though slowly those legal loopholes are being closed and I’m really working on the whole “hockey is homophobic” thing) and finding a partner is a little hard, but not any harder than if I were straight.

Plus, y’know, the premise that pink and dolls make a boy gay were kinda funny

[Centai Mal]

I'll keep it simple. I'm a lesbian, which means I am a biological female who is exclusively attracted to other biological females. It really is that simple, at least in my case.

A lot of lesbians are cool with trans women.
I'm also not sure what that has to do with NB people, other than NB lesbians and lesbians who date NB people are also valid.

Guessing homegirl is a TERF. I guess trans women aren’t lesbians and trans men aren’t gay. Someone should probably tell my boyfriend that

[Tamakuni]

I'll keep it simple. I'm a lesbian, which means I am a biological female who is exclusively attracted to other biological females. It really is that simple, at least in my case.

A lot of lesbians are cool with trans women.
I'm also not sure what that has to do with NB people, other than NB lesbians and lesbians who date NB people are also valid.

Okay, they do them. But I, as a lesbian, am only attracted to biological females. If a woman is attracted to a transgender woman, then she does what she pleases, she isn't harming anyone. But what I'm not cool with is trying to say that gender doesn't exist, because it does, and claiming otherwise could be trying to invisibilize the existence of men and women, whether they're bi, straight or gay.

Are there more genders? Sure! Can you identify as neither male nor female? Of course! But what I have an issue with is that people seem to correlate that (as an example) being a male with attitudes that are described as feminine is being non-binary, likewise with girls who like stuff that is interpreted as 'for boys' being interpreted as non-binary.

[Crockerland]

I'll keep it simple. I'm a lesbian, which means I am a biological female who is exclusively attracted to other biological females. It really is that simple, at least in my case.

A lot of lesbians are cool with trans women.
I'm also not sure what that has to do with NB people, other than NB lesbians and lesbians who date NB people are also valid.

"NB lesbians" is a contradiction.

Lesbians are women, and women are part of the binary.

[Tamakuni]

A lot of lesbians are cool with trans women.
I'm also not sure what that has to do with NB people, other than NB lesbians and lesbians who date NB people are also valid.

Guessing homegirl is a TERF. I guess trans women aren’t lesbians and trans men aren’t gay. Someone should probably tell my boyfriend that

I specifically said I'm only attracted to biological women and that I am ok with lesbians deciging to date trans women. Didn't take too long for people to hurl "TERF" at me, huh?

I'll keep it simple. I'm a lesbian, which means I am a biological female who is exclusively attracted to other biological females. It really is that simple, at least in my case.

A lot of lesbians are cool with trans women.
I'm also not sure what that has to do with NB people, other than NB lesbians and lesbians who date NB people are also valid.

How does being a non-binary lesbian even work, if non-binary people don't identify as neither male nor female?

[Auzkhia]

A lot of lesbians are cool with trans women.
I'm also not sure what that has to do with NB people, other than NB lesbians and lesbians who date NB people are also valid.

"NB lesbians" is a contradiction.

No it isn't.

The cornerstone of the LGBTQIA+ community is good faith self-identification. Even if you don't understand it, it really isn't your place to say "hmmm I know your gender and sexuality better than you".

[Auzkhia]

Guessing homegirl is a TERF. I guess trans women aren’t lesbians and trans men aren’t gay. Someone should probably tell my boyfriend that

I specifically said I'm only attracted to biological women and that I am ok with lesbians deciging to date trans women. Didn't take too long for people to hurl "TERF" at me, huh?

A lot of lesbians are cool with trans women.
I'm also not sure what that has to do with NB people, other than NB lesbians and lesbians who date NB people are also valid.

How does being a non-binary lesbian even work, if non-binary people don't identify as neither male nor female?

I'm not saying you're a terf, but TERFs love to call people biological females. A lot of people are understandably jaded and get a little bit jumpy, maybe you should examine that and unpack why you define your sexuality that way?

[Necroghastia]

Guessing homegirl is a TERF. I guess trans women aren’t lesbians and trans men aren’t gay. Someone should probably tell my boyfriend that

I specifically said I'm only attracted to biological women and that I am ok with lesbians deciging to date trans women. Didn't take too long for people to hurl "TERF" at me, huh?

A lot of lesbians are cool with trans women.
I'm also not sure what that has to do with NB people, other than NB lesbians and lesbians who date NB people are also valid.

How does being a non-binary lesbian even work, if non-binary people don't identify as neither male nor female?

Demigirls, genderfluid and bigender people, basically anyone that IDs as not 100% a girl but still girl.

[South Odreria 2]

"NB lesbians" is a contradiction.

No it isn't.

The cornerstone of the LGBTQIA+ community is good faith self-identification. Even if you don't understand it, it really isn't your place to say "hmmm I know your gender and sexuality better than you".

Ok, I’m a straight male lesbian.

[Crockerland]

No it isn't.

The cornerstone of the LGBTQIA+ community is good faith self-identification. Even if you don't understand it, it really isn't your place to say "hmmm I know your gender and sexuality better than you".

Ok, I’m a straight male lesbian.

You're valid!

[Cekoviu]

Guessing homegirl is a TERF. I guess trans women aren’t lesbians and trans men aren’t gay. Someone should probably tell my boyfriend that

I specifically said I'm only attracted to biological women and that I am ok with lesbians deciging to date trans women. Didn't take too long for people to hurl "TERF" at me, huh?

i mean your preferences are fine and i get it (i'm bi but not sexually attracted to pre-op trans ppl either) but there is no such thing as a "biological woman"

i'll add that the overuse of "TERF" is annoying because it makes it harder to identify actual TERFs, so y'all need to stop doing it thx

A lot of lesbians are cool with trans women.
I'm also not sure what that has to do with NB people, other than NB lesbians and lesbians who date NB people are also valid.

How does being a non-binary lesbian even work, if non-binary people don't identify as neither male nor female?

(psst, it's not a thing)

[Necroghastia]

No it isn't.

The cornerstone of the LGBTQIA+ community is good faith self-identification. Even if you don't understand it, it really isn't your place to say "hmmm I know your gender and sexuality better than you".

Ok, I’m a straight male lesbian.

good faith

[Auzkhia]

No it isn't.

The cornerstone of the LGBTQIA+ community is good faith self-identification. Even if you don't understand it, it really isn't your place to say "hmmm I know your gender and sexuality better than you".

Ok, I’m a straight male lesbian.

What if helicopter joke but make it woke?

I used to thought I was that, but I was actually a girl. If you're serious you're an egg, if not, you still don't understand *good faith* self ID.

I specifically said I'm only attracted to biological women and that I am ok with lesbians deciging to date trans women. Didn't take too long for people to hurl "TERF" at me, huh?

How does being a non-binary lesbian even work, if non-binary people don't identify as neither male nor female?

Demigirls, genderfluid and bigender people, basically anyone that IDs as not 100% a girl but still girl.

A lot of enby lesbians I know are transfeminine, like myself.

[Cekoviu]

Ok, I’m a straight male lesbian.

good faith

how do you know he's not identifying in good faith? sounds like you're gatekeeping!

[Tamakuni]

I specifically said I'm only attracted to biological women and that I am ok with lesbians deciging to date trans women. Didn't take too long for people to hurl "TERF" at me, huh?

How does being a non-binary lesbian even work, if non-binary people don't identify as neither male nor female?

I'm not saying you're a terf, but TERFs love to call people biological females. A lot of people are understandably jaded and get a little bit jumpy, maybe you should examine that and unpack why you define your sexuality that way?

Why am I not allowed to be attracted to biological females? I do not care if you get "jaded and a little bit jumpy" because I shouldn't be your, or anyone else's fucking punching bag.

I specifically said I'm only attracted to biological women and that I am ok with lesbians deciging to date trans women. Didn't take too long for people to hurl "TERF" at me, huh?

How does being a non-binary lesbian even work, if non-binary people don't identify as neither male nor female?

Demigirls, genderfluid and bigender people, basically anyone that IDs as not 100% a girl but still girl.

How does this fucking work? I am legit confused. What is the treshold for being a girl? 1%? 50%? 51%?

[Crockerland]

Demigirls, genderfluid and bigender people, basically anyone that IDs as not 100% a girl but still girl.

How does this fucking work? I am legit confused. What is the treshold for being a girl? 1%? 50%? 51%?

It doesn't. And yeah, woke BS gets confusing real quick.

[Necroghastia]

How does this fucking work? I am legit confused. What is the treshold for being a girl? 1%? 50%? 51%?

It doesn't. And yeah, woke BS gets confusing real quick.

I agree! Luckily this isn't BS

[South Odreria 2]

I'm not saying you're a terf, but TERFs love to call people biological females. A lot of people are understandably jaded and get a little bit jumpy, maybe you should examine that and unpack why you define your sexuality that way?

Why am I not allowed to be attracted to biological females? I do not care if you get "jaded and a little bit jumpy" because I shouldn't be your, or anyone else's fucking punching bag.

Demigirls, genderfluid and bigender people, basically anyone that IDs as not 100% a girl but still girl.

How does this fucking work? I am legit confused. What is the treshold for being a girl? 1%? 50%? 51%?

Sorry, if you don’t consent to a romantic relationship with me you’re a dangerous TERF bigot.

[Cekoviu]

I'm not saying you're a terf, but TERFs love to call people biological females. A lot of people are understandably jaded and get a little bit jumpy, maybe you should examine that and unpack why you define your sexuality that way?

Why am I not allowed to be attracted to biological females? I do not care if you get "jaded and a little bit jumpy" because I shouldn't be your, or anyone else's fucking punching bag.

the problem isn't being attracted to "biological females," it's just that wording it like that (or especially "biological women") is pretty common among lesbian TERFs, which introduces a bit of suspicion
especially because your definition would seem to include trans men, which is just totally befuddling tbh and is kinda transphobic or at the very least objectifying

Demigirls, genderfluid and bigender people, basically anyone that IDs as not 100% a girl but still girl.

How does this fucking work? I am legit confused. What is the treshold for being a girl? 1%? 50%? 51%?

that's cause it doesn't work

[Disgraces]

Tfw tomboys are a whole new gender

[Auzkhia]

I'm not saying you're a terf, but TERFs love to call people biological females. A lot of people are understandably jaded and get a little bit jumpy, maybe you should examine that and unpack why you define your sexuality that way?

Why am I not allowed to be attracted to biological females? I do not care if you get "jaded and a little bit jumpy" because I shouldn't be your, or anyone else's fucking punching bag.

Demigirls, genderfluid and bigender people, basically anyone that IDs as not 100% a girl but still girl.

How does this fucking work? I am legit confused. What is the treshold for being a girl? 1%? 50%? 51%?

Presumably by "biological females" you mean cis women. Nobody says you can't be into cis women, but people will think you leave out trans women because the phrase biological females has been used in a way that excludes and misgender various trans people. Even if you meant people that were AFAB, you would be into men, I've seen the red flags, and you're probably not going to like me for point that out.

Hopefully you can learn more and know better!

How does this fucking work? I am legit confused. What is the treshold for being a girl? 1%? 50%? 51%?

that's cause it doesn't work

I love it when people tell me identity doesn't work. Like I'm sorry, I'm just me and that's just happening.

[Necroghastia]

I'm not saying you're a terf, but TERFs love to call people biological females. A lot of people are understandably jaded and get a little bit jumpy, maybe you should examine that and unpack why you define your sexuality that way?

Why am I not allowed to be attracted to biological females? I do not care if you get "jaded and a little bit jumpy" because I shouldn't be your, or anyone else's fucking punching bag.

Demigirls, genderfluid and bigender people, basically anyone that IDs as not 100% a girl but still girl.

How does this fucking work? I am legit confused. What is the treshold for being a girl? 1%? 50%? 51%?

It's not really quantifiable as a percentage like that... it's just part of what someone is.