“Non-Binary”: Are There Only Two?

[Crockerland]

Cringe alert

That's not cringe it's common sense and has been for thousands of years.

People have wanted to have surgery to become the other gender about as long as surgery has been a thing. For example, the Roman emperor Elagabalus.

Interesting. But this isn't an issue of feelings, this is an issue of facts. I'm born a male, therfore I'm a man. Surely I do have some feminine qualities and behaviors, but I'm not anything but a man. Our feelings work within gender, not outside of it. One can call me a "Feminine male" or something of the sort, but just because I display attributes normally attributed to women doesn't change the fact I am a man- and just because someone feels they aren't their gender, doesn't mean they are.

I can't really claim to understand what it is exactly that trans people feel that makes them decide they need to transition, as I have never felt any discomfort with my gender, but I'm pretty sure it's more than just wanting to act feminine. If you want to be a cute wholesome lil femboi while being comfortable and assured in the fact that you're a male, that is a different thing from someone undergoing constant, crippling gender dysphoria that makes them feel uncomfortable in their own gender every day.

Also, I'm glad you're comfortable enough in your gender to express yourself however you like even if that's not "traditionally masculine," it's just I don't think that's exactly the same thing, or really even related, to what most trans people are experiencing.

I have never actually asked any of my trans friends what motivated them to transition, but that is my understanding of it.

[Nakena]

Quoting Ben Shapiro unironically can, depenending on the context come off as an unironic blue pilled, neocon TPUSA follower or something like that. And thats one of the nicer things to say.

That MAGA stuff stopped being cool like 3-4 years ago.

I thought MAGA was never cool?

It actually was cool to ironically pretend to be a MAGA and pro-Trump in like 2016, early 2017. During the time of HWNDU and so on. Pretty much everyone did that back then. Of course, as always, some took it serious and remained there in that poor place. It's like pushing dead memes.

Others developed, politically or otherwise. Became fascists or communist. Often in that order. Or something else really.

[Paleoconservative Citizens]

If you want to be a cute wholesome lil femboi while being comfortable and assured in the fact that you're a male, that is a different thing from someone undergoing constant, crippling gender dysphoria that makes them feel uncomfortable in their own gender every day.

Except I appear mascul-
No I don't. But I'm definitely not cute. Inward, yes, outward... I look dull and unable to attain cuteness. (also I'm not comfortable and assured, because I am unhappy with my appearance, so I can somewhat relate to transgender)

But, I'm not denying they don't feel these things, I'm merely stating a fact, that there have always been 2 genders, even among animals (not all but most), not necessarily just humans.

[Paleoconservative Citizens]

I thought MAGA was never cool?

It actually was cool to ironically pretend to be a MAGA and pro-Trump in like 2016, early 2017. During the time of HWNDU and so on. Pretty much everyone did that back then. Of course, as always, some took it serious and remained there in that poor place. It's like pushing dead memes.

Others developed, politically or otherwise. Became fascists or communist. Often in that order. Or something else really.

I used to be Paleoconservative
Now I don't fit anywhere but in my own ideology.
I wasn't even that interested in politics until around 2019, so I really didn't know being MAGA was "cool"

[Alcala-Cordel]

It actually was cool to ironically pretend to be a MAGA and pro-Trump in like 2016, early 2017. During the time of HWNDU and so on. Pretty much everyone did that back then. Of course, as always, some took it serious and remained there in that poor place. It's like pushing dead memes.

Others developed, politically or otherwise. Became fascists or communist. Often in that order. Or something else really.

I used to be Paleoconservative
Now I don't fit anywhere but in my own ideology.
I wasn't even that interested in politics until around 2019, so I really didn't know being MAGA was "cool"

Yeah he used to be something of a meme candidate, and it started a pipeline to the alt-right. Soon enough, some of the kids who thought Trump memes were funny began to support him. As they branched out politically, some remained alt-right, some went further right and became fascists, and a few became discontent with the alt-right and scattered to other ideologies.

By the way, there's a good chance you're better-looking than you realize. I wouldn't know 100% because I don't know what you look like, but I used to view myself the same way until I got on antidepressants and talked to a few friends about the way I look. Don't be afraid to ask someone you know about it

[Crockerland]

If you want to be a cute wholesome lil femboi while being comfortable and assured in the fact that you're a male, that is a different thing from someone undergoing constant, crippling gender dysphoria that makes them feel uncomfortable in their own gender every day.

Except I appear mascul-
No I don't. But I'm definitely not cute. Inward, yes, outward... I look dull and unable to attain cuteness. (also I'm not comfortable and assured, because I am unhappy with my appearance, so I can somewhat relate to transgender)

Sorry to hear that


I meant more that you are comfortable saying "I'm not anything but a man," as contrasting to people who feel insecure in their gender identity, who would probably be less confident in saying that.

But, I'm not denying they don't feel these things, I'm merely stating a fact, that there have always been 2 genders, even among animals (not all but most), not necessarily just humans.

Well I agree with you on that, I was specifically talking about the MtF/FtM transgender people.

[Alcala-Cordel]

There are more than 2 genders.

Gender, as described by the WHO, "refers to the roles, behaviours, activities, attributes and opportunities that any society considers appropriate for girls and boys, and women and men". Now, I do know that it refers to the biological sexes (of which there are two), but not everyone fits into standard gender roles. It's a social construct, not biology, and not everyone will fit in to group A or group B. It's an issue of sociology, not biology.

Ben Shapiro can take his logical fallacies and stick them where the sun don't shine.

Gonna add that we also add 5 more genders every time someone complains

[Paleoconservative Citizens]

There are more than 2 genders.

Gender, as described by the WHO, "refers to the roles, behaviours, activities, attributes and opportunities that any society considers appropriate for girls and boys, and women and men". Now, I do know that it refers to the biological sexes (of which there are two), but not everyone fits into standard gender roles. It's a social construct, not biology, and not everyone will fit in to group A or group B. It's an issue of sociology, not biology.

Ben Shapiro can take his logical fallacies and stick them where the sun don't shine.

Gonna add that we also add 5 more genders every time someone complains

What genders have you added in honor of me?

[Alcala-Cordel]

Gonna add that we also add 5 more genders every time someone complains

What genders have you added in honor of me?

I'll have to check with Antifa HQ on that

[Stellar Colonies]

There are only two, but a small amount of people are outliers who do not really fit into either.

If some of those outliers are similar to each other and may be considered a unique group, they could sort of be considered "another gender".

[Crockerland]

There are only two, but a small amount of people are outliers who do not really fit into either.

If some of those outliers are similar to each other and may be considered a unique group, they could sort of be considered "another gender".

I think your premise is flawed. Where are these small amount of people who do not fit into either gender?

[Thepeopl]

Even if you just look at the biological side, you'll see there are many more than 2.
Yes most humans have xx and are female or have xy and are male.
But you also have women who are testosterone immune. They have xy chromosomes but a female body from birth.
You have chimera people with multiple sets of dna, you have people with 4 "gender" chromosomes
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/XXXY_syndrome

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_chromosome

[Crockerland]

Even if you just look at the biological side, you'll see there are many more than 2.
Yes most humans have xx and are female or have xy and are male.
But you also have women who are testosterone immune. They have xy chromosomes but a female body from birth.
You have chimera people with multiple sets of dna, you have people with 4 "gender" chromosomes
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/XXXY_syndrome

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_chromosome

"women who are testosterone immune"
"women"

So, one of the two genders.

[South Odreria 2]

As a very wise person put it to me, it is difficult to understand what views of gender are being called for in this new culture. On the one hand, gender is fluid, neutral, and doesn't matter, or it isn’t a thing at all outside of false beliefs and oppressive constructs. On the other hand, gender matters so much that people will conceal, remove, or reshape their body parts to be recognized as one gender or the other.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... -all-sides

[Stellar Colonies]

There are only two, but a small amount of people are outliers who do not really fit into either.

If some of those outliers are similar to each other and may be considered a unique group, they could sort of be considered "another gender".

I think your premise is flawed. Where are these small amount of people who do not fit into either gender?

They're the ones that...don't fit.

When I posted this, I was thinking more in terms of biological sex, I guess. Although they tend to merely be distorted forms of the existing two.

Obligatory disclaimer: "Distorted" is not meant to have the connotation of that individual being a "wrong person".

[Disgraces]

There are only two genders. If you are a feminine man, you're still a man. If you are a manly woman, you're still a woman. If you are a man and feel you are a woman, you're still a man. If you're a woman and decide to get a sex reassignment surgery, you're still a woman.
You are what you were born as, and you can't change that.

Intersex and hermaphrodite people are weird so I'd just say they're the gender they look like.

[Crockerland]

I think your premise is flawed. Where are these small amount of people who do not fit into either gender?

They're the ones that...don't fit.

When I posted this, I was thinking more in terms of biological sex, I guess.

Okay, let me ask a different way - Can you give an example of a group of people who would not fit into the binary?

[South Odreria 2]

Conflating intersex biology with non-binary identity seems inaccurate and harmful. Intersex people are a special case and they deserve a special sensitivity. Transgender and non-binary identity for people who have normal male or female biology also deserves sensitivity but it is a separate issue.

[VVerkia]

Uh, yes, there are "only 2". They're called "Male and Female". You're Gender/Sex is a tangible absolute, your feelings are not. If you're born a man, you're a man, if you're born a woman, you're a woman. If you feel that you're not the gender you are - that's only a feeling, and, as Ben Shapiro says, "facts don't care about your feelings" .

Then there are only 3 facts. "I" who have consciousness and observe "world", "world" that "I" observe, "someone" who made "world" & "I". All other things are feelings or believings. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Stellar Colonies]

They're the ones that...don't fit.

When I posted this, I was thinking more in terms of biological sex, I guess.

Okay, let me ask a different way - Can you give an example of a group of people who would not fit into the binary?

I think your premise is flawed. Where are these small amount of people who do not fit into either gender?

They're the ones that...don't fit.

When I posted this, I was thinking more in terms of biological sex, I guess. Although they tend to merely be distorted forms of the existing two.

Obligatory disclaimer: "Distorted" is not meant to have the connotation of that individual being a "wrong person".

[Disgraces]

Conflating intersex biology with non-binary identity seems inaccurate and harmful.

Again, you can't identify as something you aren't.

[Paleoconservative Citizens]

Uh, yes, there are "only 2". They're called "Male and Female". You're Gender/Sex is a tangible absolute, your feelings are not. If you're born a man, you're a man, if you're born a woman, you're a woman. If you feel that you're not the gender you are - that's only a feeling, and, as Ben Shapiro says, "facts don't care about your feelings" .

Then there are only 3 facts. "I" who have consciousness and observe "world", "world" that "I" observe, "someone" who made "world" & "I". All other things are feelings or believings. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yes, but those are three things which make up reality, or three things which contribute to our world. Us, the place we exist, amd and our Creator. However, we cannot defy the place on which we exist or it's laws through manipulation of ourselves. If someone wants to change their gender, they'll first have to change reality.

Otherwise, their gender exists only in the mind of themselves and others, but not in reality, because there are two genders.

Nothing against you though.

[Thepeopl]

Even if you just look at the biological side, you'll see there are many more than 2.
Yes most humans have xx and are female or have xy and are male.
But you also have women who are testosterone immune. They have xy chromosomes but a female body from birth.
You have chimera people with multiple sets of dna, you have people with 4 "gender" chromosomes
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/XXXY_syndrome

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_chromosome

"women who are testosterone immune"
"women"

So, one of the two genders.

Yes "women" for want if a "better" term. Because they don't menstruate and are infertile because of the chromosomes.
To call these people swyer syndrome patients is too long.

[Disgraces]

"women who are testosterone immune"
"women"

So, one of the two genders.

Yes "women" for want if a "better" term. Because they don't menstruate and are infertile because of the chromosomes.
To call these people swyer syndrome patients is too long.

They're still women.

[Czechostan]

Conflating intersex biology with non-binary identity seems inaccurate and harmful. Intersex people are a special case and they deserve a special sensitivity. Transgender and non-binary identity for people who have normal male or female biology also deserves sensitivity but it is a separate issue.

perhaps, but it throws a wrench into the whole "man = XY; woman = XX" or "man = male genitalia; woman = female genitalia" retort.