2022-23 Football Season: Title Races and Cups Heat Up!

[Ethel mermania]

Also the government should forget about bidding for the 2030 world cup. We can't host it anytime soon after such awful security and fan behaviour last night.

The fan behaviour everywhere is similar. The difference is we have a media hostile to sections of the public willing to present these situations as a norm, as I pointed out its akin to spamming videos of black criminals constantly to drive a particular narrative and insist there is a black criminality problem.

We should stop bidding nonetheless because the perception is what matters, but that cant be fixed without sweeping reforms of our chattering classes and the media business model they use as well as their ideological predelictions.

Nah, there is over a 50 year history of British soccer fan hooligans. Heck there is a wiki article on it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Footbal ... ed_Kingdom

English fans make Philadelphia fans look good.

[Fartsniffage]

The fan behaviour everywhere is similar. The difference is we have a media hostile to sections of the public willing to present these situations as a norm, as I pointed out its akin to spamming videos of black criminals constantly to drive a particular narrative and insist there is a black criminality problem.

We should stop bidding nonetheless because the perception is what matters, but that cant be fixed without sweeping reforms of our chattering classes and the media business model they use as well as their ideological predelictions.

Nah, there is over a 50 year history of British soccer fan hooligans. Heck there is a wiki article on it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Footbal ... ed_Kingdom

English fans make Philadelphia fans look good.

The point is that the fans in other Euro countries match the English fans in every way. You just hear about ours more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Nu6HKVSmk

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

The fan behaviour everywhere is similar. The difference is we have a media hostile to sections of the public willing to present these situations as a norm, as I pointed out its akin to spamming videos of black criminals constantly to drive a particular narrative and insist there is a black criminality problem.

We should stop bidding nonetheless because the perception is what matters, but that cant be fixed without sweeping reforms of our chattering classes and the media business model they use as well as their ideological predelictions.

Nah, there is over a 50 year history of British soccer fan hooligans. Heck there is a wiki article on it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Footbal ... ed_Kingdom

English fans make Philadelphia fans look good.

I mean... there's also articles on fan hooliganism in other countries, and in recent years it's been much much worse in the rest of Europe than in the UK.

Policeman don't get shot in the face in flares in the UK. Fascist salutes aren't really things that happen in the UK. Racism - in the stadium at least - is a much less common occurrence than in say... Italy, or Spain or Eastern Europe. And it's never explained away as 'not being racism' and only being done to 'put players off'.

A small number of England fans over the past few weeks haven't done anything to make themselves look good, but to say it's worse in the UK than it is elsewhere, isn't reflective of reality.

[Ostroeuropa]

Nah, there is over a 50 year history of British soccer fan hooligans. Heck there is a wiki article on it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Footbal ... ed_Kingdom

English fans make Philadelphia fans look good.

The point is that the fans in other Euro countries match the English fans in every way. You just hear about ours more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Nu6HKVSmk

Exactly this. And then you have to wonder why we hear about them more.

[Ethel mermania]

Nah, there is over a 50 year history of British soccer fan hooligans. Heck there is a wiki article on it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Footbal ... ed_Kingdom

English fans make Philadelphia fans look good.

The point is that the fans in other Euro countries match the English fans in every way. You just hear about ours more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Nu6HKVSmk

There are stupid people everywhere, but you guys have a documented history of it over a period of time. They had to fence off the pitches.

Tbf though because of the history we probably do hear more of it than from other places.

[Fartsniffage]

The point is that the fans in other Euro countries match the English fans in every way. You just hear about ours more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Nu6HKVSmk

There are stupid people everywhere, but you guys have a documented history of it over a period of time. They had to fence off the pitches.

Tbf though because of the history we probably do hear more of it than from other places.

Most of the pitches in Europe are still fenced off...

Ours aren't. What does that tell you?

[Ethel mermania]

There are stupid people everywhere, but you guys have a documented history of it over a period of time. They had to fence off the pitches.

Tbf though because of the history we probably do hear more of it than from other places.

Most of the pitches in Europe are still fenced off...

Ours aren't. What does that tell you?

Brexit cut off the meth supply from the continent

[Outer Sparta]

England should have pushed for a second goal after striking very early. I don't get why Southgate decided to park the bus after that and didn't assert themselves.

Yeah, not sure we can have any complaints considering we basically stopped playing from the 22nd to the 114th minute.

With all the attacking talent England has, Southgate essentially handcuffed that potential and didn't help matters by bringing Rashford and Sancho for pens, but that obviously didn't work as they both weren't warmed up and hardly got playing time in the whole tournament.

[Hirota]

I mean, presumably Saka also volunteered. But I don't know what Southgate was seeing, but he looked to me like an extremely nervous lad at the time, and that isn't what I thought you'd be looking for in a penalty taker.

Southgate has been pushing the BLM angle constantly. It's also the first final for England in 50 years. Had we won as a result of 3 black players scoring penalties, the movie writes itself. It's entirely possible that either intentionally or subconsciously the choice was made because he's a black player, and this has now backfired.

Thats one heck of a leap, with very very little to back it up.

It's worth noting how much work goes in behind the scenes for penalties. The athletic did a whole article on the analytics of penalty taking, and how it isn't a matter of asking the player with no prior work into it. It talks about Southgate volunteering to take his penalty:

There were just two questions, but, on that fraught, fateful summer’s evening at Wembley 25 years ago, they caught Gareth Southgate by surprise.

Terry Venables went first, asking him whether he would be willing to step up to the plate if the penalty shootout went beyond England’s and Germany’s first five takers. Instinctively, feeling a sense of duty to his team and his country, Southgate said yes.

Bryan Robson, Venables’ assistant, followed up by asking whether Southgate had taken a penalty before. Yes, the defender nodded. He didn’t add that his only previous attempt, in the final minutes of Crystal Palace’s 2-2 draw away to Ipswich Town nearly four years earlier, was a miss. Time was short. They didn’t need to know that.

So a few minutes later, after five successful kicks apiece, Southgate stepped up and every English football fan knows what happened.

It goes on to talk about how that doesn't happen anymore, they are coached on penalties. The reliable candidates are known in advance. There is little doubt Rashford and Sancho were picked deliberately, and with some reasoning behind it - Rashford has been a penalty shoot out player for England and Manchester United; Jadon Sancho scored three penalties for Borussia Dortmund this season. They have some proven pedigree in these areas. Saka, to my knowledge has not taken a penalty in-game or in shootouts for Arsenal. Maybe he has taken them on the training ground and really impressed?

[Mathuvan Union]

The point is that the fans in other Euro countries match the English fans in every way. You just hear about ours more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Nu6HKVSmk

There are stupid people everywhere, but you guys have a documented history of it over a period of time. They had to fence off the pitches.

Tbf though because of the history we probably do hear more of it than from other places.

So the whole security of footballers goes down to English hooligans.
the fences still don’t work

[Outer Sparta]

Southgate has been pushing the BLM angle constantly. It's also the first final for England in 50 years. Had we won as a result of 3 black players scoring penalties, the movie writes itself. It's entirely possible that either intentionally or subconsciously the choice was made because he's a black player, and this has now backfired.

Thats one heck of a leap, with very very little to back it up.

It's worth noting how much work goes in behind the scenes for penalties. The athletic did a whole article on the analytics of penalty taking, and how it isn't a matter of asking the player with no prior work into it. It talks about Southgate volunteering to take his penalty:

There were just two questions, but, on that fraught, fateful summer’s evening at Wembley 25 years ago, they caught Gareth Southgate by surprise.

Terry Venables went first, asking him whether he would be willing to step up to the plate if the penalty shootout went beyond England’s and Germany’s first five takers. Instinctively, feeling a sense of duty to his team and his country, Southgate said yes.

Bryan Robson, Venables’ assistant, followed up by asking whether Southgate had taken a penalty before. Yes, the defender nodded. He didn’t add that his only previous attempt, in the final minutes of Crystal Palace’s 2-2 draw away to Ipswich Town nearly four years earlier, was a miss. Time was short. They didn’t need to know that.

So a few minutes later, after five successful kicks apiece, Southgate stepped up and every English football fan knows what happened.

It goes on to talk about how that doesn't happen anymore, they are coached on penalties. The reliable candidates are known in advance. There is little doubt Rashford and Sancho were picked deliberately, and with some reasoning behind it - Rashford has been a penalty shoot out player for England and Manchester United; Jadon Sancho scored three penalties for Borussia Dortmund this season. They have some proven pedigree in these areas. Saka, to my knowledge has not taken a penalty in-game or in shootouts for Arsenal. Maybe he has taken them on the training ground and really impressed?

Kane and Maguire took good penalties - Kane put his in the far left side of the goal with power and Donnarumma couldn't reach it. Maguire smashed his into the top right corner and broke a camera. Rashford did some weird stutter steps and tried to psyche out Donnarumma but aimed his too far to the post with little precision and power. Sancho and Saka's were essentially the same pens that were well-within Donnarumma's reach and didn't have enough power nor precision to make it impossible to save. The best pens are usually those smacked with power and put to the top bin or to the far sides of the goal, and Kane and Maguire were the ones to accomplish that.

[Outer Sparta]

On another unrelated note, here's a rather interesting article: https://www.marca.com/en/football/copa- ... b45de.html

The sheer arrogance from Bolsonaro to predict that Brazil will beat Argentina 5-0, it just blows my mind. And then Brazil lost to Argentina 1-0 and did nothing but dive all game. Bolsonaro must also be sad because he didn't successfully fixed the final on Brazilian soil in the middle of a pandemic he has dreadfully mishandled.

[The Champions League]

Thats one heck of a leap, with very very little to back it up.

It's worth noting how much work goes in behind the scenes for penalties. The athletic did a whole article on the analytics of penalty taking, and how it isn't a matter of asking the player with no prior work into it. It talks about Southgate volunteering to take his penalty:

It goes on to talk about how that doesn't happen anymore, they are coached on penalties. The reliable candidates are known in advance. There is little doubt Rashford and Sancho were picked deliberately, and with some reasoning behind it - Rashford has been a penalty shoot out player for England and Manchester United; Jadon Sancho scored three penalties for Borussia Dortmund this season. They have some proven pedigree in these areas. Saka, to my knowledge has not taken a penalty in-game or in shootouts for Arsenal. Maybe he has taken them on the training ground and really impressed?

Kane and Maguire took good penalties - Kane put his in the far left side of the goal with power and Donnarumma couldn't reach it. Maguire smashed his into the top right corner and broke a camera. Rashford did some weird stutter steps and tried to psyche out Donnarumma but aimed his too far to the post with little precision and power. Sancho and Saka's were essentially the same pens that were well-within Donnarumma's reach and didn't have enough power nor precision to make it impossible to save. The best pens are usually those smacked with power and put to the top bin or to the far sides of the goal, and Kane and Maguire were the ones to accomplish that.

Or the classic one, a powerful shot right down the middle

[Outer Sparta]

Kane and Maguire took good penalties - Kane put his in the far left side of the goal with power and Donnarumma couldn't reach it. Maguire smashed his into the top right corner and broke a camera. Rashford did some weird stutter steps and tried to psyche out Donnarumma but aimed his too far to the post with little precision and power. Sancho and Saka's were essentially the same pens that were well-within Donnarumma's reach and didn't have enough power nor precision to make it impossible to save. The best pens are usually those smacked with power and put to the top bin or to the far sides of the goal, and Kane and Maguire were the ones to accomplish that.

Or the classic one, a powerful shot right down the middle

A Panenka is only attempted by those who are technical enough to carry it out and be able to psyche the keeper. Pirlo has the balls and technique to pull that off, and Abreu of Uruguay also did one.

[The Champions League]

Or the classic one, a powerful shot right down the middle

A Panenka is only attempted by those who are technical enough to carry it out and be able to psyche the keeper. Pirlo has the balls and technique to pull that off, and Abreu of Uruguay also did one.

Pirlo when he destroyed Hart's career in 2012 and Abreu two years before. Funny thing is that everyone knew Abreu was going to chip it, everyone except Ghana's GK.

[Outer Sparta]

A Panenka is only attempted by those who are technical enough to carry it out and be able to psyche the keeper. Pirlo has the balls and technique to pull that off, and Abreu of Uruguay also did one.

Pirlo when he destroyed Hart's career in 2012 and Abreu two years before. Funny thing is that everyone knew Abreu was going to chip it, everyone except Ghana's GK.

And then there's Neymar and Pogba whose run ups take a gazillion years to process.

[Mathuvan Union]

A Panenka is only attempted by those who are technical enough to carry it out and be able to psyche the keeper. Pirlo has the balls and technique to pull that off, and Abreu of Uruguay also did one.

Pirlo when he destroyed Hart's career in 2012 and Abreu two years before. Funny thing is that everyone knew Abreu was going to chip it, everyone except Ghana's GK.

Pep Guardiola, who overthinks everything, decided he didn’t like what was going to be one of England’s best ever players.

[Sannyamathland]

Southgate hates Grealish like hell. To not use a player of his quality throught the entire tournament is basic foolishness. Atleast, he deserved more playing time in the final.

And asking 3 young lads to take the 3 most important penalties is plain stupidity as well.

[Outer Sparta]

Southgate hates Grealish like hell. To not use a player of his quality throught the entire tournament is basic foolishness. Atleast, he deserved more playing time in the final.

And asking 3 young lads to take the 3 most important penalties is plain stupidity as well.

England's main undoing is Southgate parking the bus despite scoring in the first few minutes. While Italy were vulnerable, England should have struck them when they're down and take full advantage in attacking more and taking more risks. Instead, he decides to sit back and let the Italians come back and score an equalizer.

[The Serbian Empire]

The fan behaviour everywhere is similar. The difference is we have a media hostile to sections of the public willing to present these situations as a norm, as I pointed out its akin to spamming videos of black criminals constantly to drive a particular narrative and insist there is a black criminality problem.

We should stop bidding nonetheless because the perception is what matters, but that cant be fixed without sweeping reforms of our chattering classes and the media business model they use as well as their ideological predelictions.

Nah, there is over a 50 year history of British soccer fan hooligans. Heck there is a wiki article on it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Footbal ... ed_Kingdom

English fans make Philadelphia fans look good.

But still less hazardous that the Polish clubs where deaths occur fairly often or even Atletico Madrid which is known for having killed Deportivo La Coruna and Real Sociedad fans in the past 25 years.

[Outer Sparta]

Nah, there is over a 50 year history of British soccer fan hooligans. Heck there is a wiki article on it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Footbal ... ed_Kingdom

English fans make Philadelphia fans look good.

But still less hazardous that the Polish clubs where deaths occur fairly often or even Atletico Madrid which is known for having killed Deportivo La Coruna and Real Sociedad fans in the past 25 years.

Belgrade turns into a civil war every time the derby goes on. RSB and Partizan ultras often beat each other up on the streets during those days.

[Fartsniffage]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57829927

And this is why Rashford was pants at the Euros.

[Outer Sparta]

Florentino Perez's leaked audio shows that Florentino Perez is crappy and corrupt as usual. No wonder he hated Casillas and Raul and always took the time to disrespect Real Madrid legends.

[Risottia]

Southgate hates Grealish like hell. To not use a player of his quality throught the entire tournament is basic foolishness. Atleast, he deserved more playing time in the final.

And asking 3 young lads to take the 3 most important penalties is plain stupidity as well.

In 1994 Arrigo Sacchi sent Franco Baresi and Roberto Baggio, two of the best and most experienced players ever, to take the penalties in the final against Brazil.
Both failed.

[Ayytaly]

Southgate hates Grealish like hell. To not use a player of his quality throught the entire tournament is basic foolishness. Atleast, he deserved more playing time in the final.

And asking 3 young lads to take the 3 most important penalties is plain stupidity as well.

In 1994 Arrigo Sacchi sent Franco Baresi and Roberto Baggio, two of the best and most experienced players ever, to take the penalties in the final against Brazil.
Both failed.

Except both were hurt throughout the entire match. In fact, Baresi just returned from knee surgery and was in his late 30s. But just like Southgate, Sacchi made the mistake of putting them both on first five, not foreseeing the consequences.