Transgender health protections rolled back in the States

[The Republic of Fore]

Don't need a reason. "I don't want to" is all that's required.

And we're back to selfish disregard for professional ethics.

Your ethics. As I said, your ethics are irrelevant to my business. Just a couple days ago I had a doctor tell me there was nothing he could do for my knee pain. Did I throw a tantrum and sue? No. I made an appt with someone else.

[The Republic of Fore]

Again, extremely rare circumstances. If It's a sparsely populated forest then I doubt a doctor just happens to be around.

Again, this is a scenario; it's possible it can happen to any one of us here.

Do you understand that?

Again, do you understand what the word rare means? Anyone of us here could win the lottery. But I'm not holding my breath.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Then again you still haven't given a real reason for discriminating in the first place beyond "muh frees".

Don't need a reason. "I don't want to" is all that's required.

If I understand correctly, you won't actually be a medical doctor until you've served an internship.
You will have a boss, who can order you to treat patients.
At least for that time "I don't want to" will not work for you.

[Vassenor]

And we're back to selfish disregard for professional ethics.

Your ethics. As I said, your ethics are irrelevant to my business. Just a couple days ago I had a doctor tell me there was nothing he could do for my knee pain. Did I throw a tantrum and sue? No. I made an appt with someone else.

The ethics of your profession.

[The Republic of Fore]

Don't need a reason. "I don't want to" is all that's required.

If I understand correctly, you won't actually be a medical doctor until you've served an internship.
You will have a boss, who can order you to treat patients.
At least for that time "I don't want to" will not work for you.

A seven year residency, although only part of that will be spent treating patients. It's a temporary sacrifice though.

[The Republic of Fore]

Your ethics. As I said, your ethics are irrelevant to my business. Just a couple days ago I had a doctor tell me there was nothing he could do for my knee pain. Did I throw a tantrum and sue? No. I made an appt with someone else.

The ethics of your profession.

Apparently not. Since doctors refuse to treat people all the time.

[Vassenor]

The ethics of your profession.

Apparently not. Since doctors refuse to treat people all the time.

Based on what factors?

[The Republic of Fore]

Apparently not. Since doctors refuse to treat people all the time.

Based on what factors?

The ones I've already mentioned. And plenty of others. Are you okay with a doctor refusing to see patients who take suboxone? (If you don't know, It's used to treat addiction to narcotics.)

[-Astoria]

Yeah, I would. Russia and China wouldn't declare war on us. And the armed forces of the vast majority of other nations are a useless joke compared to ours. Try and enforce your worthless convention. We have nukes.

So now we're going straight into exceptionalism & military peepee-measuring, are we?

[-Astoria]

Again, do you understand what the word rare means? Anyone of us here could win the lottery. But I'm not holding my breath.

And again, do you understand that while it may be rare, it does not mean that it cannot happen?

[The Republic of Fore]

Yeah, I would. Russia and China wouldn't declare war on us. And the armed forces of the vast majority of other nations are a useless joke compared to ours. Try and enforce your worthless convention. We have nukes.

So now we're going straight into exceptionalism & military peepee-measuring, are we?

It's just stating a fact. Disney has a larger navy than most of the rest of the world. And the world's second largest air force is the US navy.

[The Republic of Fore]

Again, do you understand what the word rare means? Anyone of us here could win the lottery. But I'm not holding my breath.

And again, do you understand that while it may be rare, it does not mean that it cannot happen?

I'm not saying it can't happen. But I'm not worried about things that are rare. Do you spend every day of your life fearing that you'll be eaten by a komodo dragon? That can happen.

[-Astoria]

It's just stating a fact. Disney has a larger navy than most of the rest of the world. And the world's second largest air force is the US navy.

Not exactly; and also, it was the language used that I was calling 'peepee-measuring'.

I'm not saying it can't happen. But I'm not worried about things that are rare. Do you spend every day of your life fearing that you'll be eaten by a komodo dragon? That can happen.

AFAIK, getting seriously injured in a sparsely-populated place is much more likely to happen than getting killed by a specific animal, which can only be found on a specific island.

[The Republic of Fore]

It's just stating a fact. Disney has a larger navy than most of the rest of the world. And the world's second largest air force is the US navy.

Not exactly; and also, it was the language used that I was calling 'peepee-measuring'.

I'm not saying it can't happen. But I'm not worried about things that are rare. Do you spend every day of your life fearing that you'll be eaten by a komodo dragon? That can happen.

AFAIK, getting seriously injured in a sparsely-populated place is much more likely to happen than getting killed by a specific animal, which can only be found on a specific island.

1. Whoops, okay point.
2. Funny enough, there was a severe injury by a dragon on us soil. Sharon Stone's ex husband nearly lost his foot to one. But I just threw out the first example that came to mind.

[Galloism]

It’s fairly likely that 1/100 men are supporting their rapist, either via direct support (IE, they live with them) or via child support. It’s hard to say how many are explicit child support, although it’s probably not a small number.

It’s important for you to understand men and women are raped at about the same rate, and almost half of each group is raped by their intimate partner. For the type of rape that can cause pregnancy, that’s 1.7 million men. Per year, mind you. The notion that 1.7 million rapes per year causes a negligible number of rape babies is laughable.

And it is established law that male victims of rape must support the child (and by extension their rapist) regardless. It’s the exception to not have to, not the rule.

I dunno about 1/100, but in 2019, 235 black people were killed by police, out of a population of around 45 million. That’s a little over 1/50,000.

Yet it’s still a big deal.

1/50,000 isn't a big deal to me. That's extremely rare. Especially considering the vast majority of people killed by police are armed when it happens.

Nevertheless, 1 million+ men are raped by women every year in a manner that can cause pregnancy. There is almost certainly a nonnegligible number of men paying child support as a result of being raped.

1/100? Not sure - it could be more or less than that number. But it's a lot.

[The Alma Mater]

Please do not lie. Everyone can just read back the quote chain, so it is rather silly.
You explicitly denied it being rare to encounter people in need of help on the street. Not the helping of people, the encountering. And did so repeatedly.

But the conclusion is: you would not help. Clear.

That's not denying that accidents happen. But in my entire life, I've never seen someone need help on the street. Going by your earlier logic, I can say I don't think I'm special. So there, It's not common people need help. Same argument you used.

Or you are lying, to use your own earlier reply
Still, we could probably do something with statistics to see what version is more likely.

Orrrr - we could just make a poll and ask the residents of NSG if they ever met someone in distress. And then we will know which of us is special

[The Republic of Fore]

That's not denying that accidents happen. But in my entire life, I've never seen someone need help on the street. Going by your earlier logic, I can say I don't think I'm special. So there, It's not common people need help. Same argument you used.

Or you are lying, to use your own earlier reply
Still, we could probably do something with statistics to see what version is more likely.

Orrrr - we could just make a poll and ask the residents of NSG if they ever met someone in distress. And then we will know which of us is special

That poll wouldn't mean anything. It would be biased due to a small sample size.

[The Republic of Fore]

1/50,000 isn't a big deal to me. That's extremely rare. Especially considering the vast majority of people killed by police are armed when it happens.

Nevertheless, 1 million+ men are raped by women every year in a manner that can cause pregnancy. There is almost certainly a nonnegligible number of men paying child support as a result of being raped.

1/100? Not sure - it could be more or less than that number. But it's a lot.

It is a negligible amount. Anything that happens less than 1% of the time isn't worth worrying about to me.

[Vassenor]

Oh and by the way? This thing that you're just writing off as freedom in action? Yeah, it's legitimately killed people.

[Thedas Defiant]

What part of "in a post-Trump America where Trans people are heavily demonized" did you not understand?

What part of "don't base your argument off extremely rare circumstances" can you not understand? Trans people aren't demonized. Doing anything but kissing their ass can destroy someone's career.

Please direct me to this magical planet you hail from where trans people aren't degraded, discriminated against, more likely to experience sexual abuse, have higher than average suicide rates, get murdered and see their killers walk free on flimsy defenses, etc.
I could go on but I already have major depression, I don't need to make it worse.

Also if you think recognizing trans people as valid and deserving of medical care constitutes kissing their ass, you clearly lack the basic ethics needed for the medical profession.

[Hakons]

Religious health care institutions and workers shouldn’t be forced to go against their beliefs on transition surgeries or therapies. However, as NPR reports this change seems to cover virtually every aspect of healthcare. Not only would religious hospitals or secular hospitals never deny lifesaving healthcare to LGBT people, the law shouldn’t allow it either.

[Thedas Defiant]

Religious health care institutions and workers shouldn’t be forced to go against their beliefs on transition surgeries or therapies. However, as NPR reports this change seems to cover virtually every aspect of healthcare. Not only would religious hospitals or secular hospitals never deny lifesaving healthcare to LGBT people, the law shouldn’t allow it either.

People who want to let their bigoted beliefs color their treatment of patients shouldn't be in the healthcare profession TBH.

[VVerkia]

Religious health care institutions and workers shouldn’t be forced to go against their beliefs on transition surgeries or therapies.

That workers will don't know how to do transition surgeries or therapies for peoples, don't have experiences etc. so yeah - no one will force them for own sake ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Hakons]

Religious health care institutions and workers shouldn’t be forced to go against their beliefs on transition surgeries or therapies. However, as NPR reports this change seems to cover virtually every aspect of healthcare. Not only would religious hospitals or secular hospitals never deny lifesaving healthcare to LGBT people, the law shouldn’t allow it either.

People who want to let their bigoted beliefs color their treatment of patients shouldn't be in the healthcare profession TBH.

I agree, but it depends on what you mean by bigotry and treatments. A Catholic hospital shouldn’t be forced to provide transition surgeries, for example. In this case it wouldn’t be bigotry for a clearly-known Catholic hospital to provide Catholic healthcare. People that are personally opposed to abortion also shouldn’t be forced to assist in abortions. Thankfully this one is near-universally recognized in global healthcare.

[Vassenor]

Religious health care institutions and workers shouldn’t be forced to go against their beliefs on transition surgeries or therapies. However, as NPR reports this change seems to cover virtually every aspect of healthcare. Not only would religious hospitals or secular hospitals never deny lifesaving healthcare to LGBT people, the law shouldn’t allow it either.

Why should your religion give you a pass on denying people equal protection under the law?