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Postby Necroghastia » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:05 am

American Pere Housh wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:We're not even talking about health insurance, for god's sake. And why do you think that that's a good thing to begin with?

This doesn't affect me whatsoever so I really couldn't care less.

You cared enough to post here.
Also, I don't know how to explain to you that you should care about other people.
Aren't you one of those Blue Lives Matter types? Isn't the whole point of the police, in your view, to protect and serve the community? We're talking about community protections being stripped away.
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Postby Sundiata » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:05 am

American Pere Housh wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:We're not even talking about health insurance, for god's sake. And why do you think that that's a good thing to begin with?

This doesn't affect me whatsoever so I really couldn't care less.

That explains your signature.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:06 am

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Agarntrop wrote:Mark my words, Biden cannot and will not win.


Sure he can, he's a mediocre candidate but mediocre candidates win all the time, a large percentage of the vote isn't that candidate-dependent anyway, and he doesn't provoke strong feelings in people but the thought of Trump does. There's nothing magical required to win a presidential election, we attribute a lot of power, traits, etc. to people who win by circumstances mostly outside their own doing. It's like if you said "Trent Dilfer cannot and will not win a Super Bowl" or "Argo cannot and will not win an Oscar." He's more than capable of winning by default, even if he's not capable of much at all. Even Trump won a lot by default on the anti-Hillary vote (and electoral college luck), it wasn't like he had a particularly strong showing, we just love to form inevitability narratives by nature.

Hell Trump won by only a few thousand votes in Michigan, Wisconsin, and PA. And PA is expected to swing to Biden this year.
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Postby The Republic of Fore » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:06 am

Sundiata wrote:
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Are you saying Clinton's affair with an intern who worked for him is analogous to a single person being attracted to someone their age of the opposite sex?

Morally speaking, only if the attraction is acted upon.

Nobody is banning them from accessing healthcare. We're just not forcing people to treat them.

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Postby East Blepia » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:06 am

I just broke into the reserve of queso dip and gulped down a fat dollop. Keep the good news coming!
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20 years in Iraq and Afghanistan, 10 years in Syria, constant brinksmanship with Iran, $230 billion[1] and counting in military and economic aid to a first-world country, and the agitation of Islamic extremism[2] causing tens of thousands of civilian deaths is not enough. America MUST do more for Israel. If you ask what we get in exchange, you are an anti-semite.

1. https://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf "As of March 2020, in 2018 U.S. dollars (inflation-adjusted), total U.S.
aid to Israel... is $236 billion."

2. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver "Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple...You attacked us in Palestine...the degree of American support for Israel"

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Postby Sundiata » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:07 am

The Republic of Fore wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Morally speaking, only if the attraction is acted upon.

Nobody is banning them from accessing healthcare. We're just not forcing people to treat them.
Healthcare is a human right.
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Postby The Republic of Fore » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:08 am

Thermodolia wrote:
The Crownless wrote:
Sure he can, he's a mediocre candidate but mediocre candidates win all the time, a large percentage of the vote isn't that candidate-dependent anyway, and he doesn't provoke strong feelings in people but the thought of Trump does. There's nothing magical required to win a presidential election, we attribute a lot of power, traits, etc. to people who win by circumstances mostly outside their own doing. It's like if you said "Trent Dilfer cannot and will not win a Super Bowl" or "Argo cannot and will not win an Oscar." He's more than capable of winning by default, even if he's not capable of much at all. Even Trump won a lot by default on the anti-Hillary vote (and electoral college luck), it wasn't like he had a particularly strong showing, we just love to form inevitability narratives by nature.

Hell Trump won by only a few thousand votes in Michigan, Wisconsin, and PA. And PA is expected to swing to Biden this year.

A fun fact. The U of Michigan football stadium seats about 108,000. If you took Trump's margin In Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan the states that won him the election, the stadium wouldn't be half full.

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Postby Necroghastia » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:08 am

The Republic of Fore wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Morally speaking, only if the attraction is acted upon.

Nobody is banning them from accessing healthcare. We're just not forcing people to treat them.

Which can be, in practice, banning them from accessing healthcare.

East Blepia wrote:I just broke into the reserve of queso dip and gulped down a fat dollop. Keep the good news coming!

Please, explain what is good about this.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:08 am

Necroghastia wrote:
American Pere Housh wrote:This doesn't affect me whatsoever so I really couldn't care less.

You cared enough to post here.
Also, I don't know how to explain to you that you should care about other people.
Aren't you one of those Blue Lives Matter types? Isn't the whole point of the police, in your view, to protect and serve the community? We're talking about community protections being stripped away.

Something something trans people aren’t apart of the community/aren’t people/should be in mental wards.
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Postby Crockerland » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:09 am

Sundiata wrote:
Crockerland wrote:


You should stop saying disgusting, hateful things and then acting surprised when people react negatively.

While we disagree, I don't hate people who experience same-sex attraction or gender dysphoria. I also don't believe that they should experience discrimination of any kind.

Your attitude reminds me of Ronald Reagan telling everyone he's not racist and then getting on the phone with Nixon and calling African diplomats "those monkeys from those African countries."

If you "disagree" with someone else's right to exist and be treated equally to everyone else, that is called hating them.
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Postby The Republic of Fore » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:09 am

Sundiata wrote:
The Republic of Fore wrote:Nobody is banning them from accessing healthcare. We're just not forcing people to treat them.
Healthcare is a human right.

No, it isn't. It's not a right if it has to be provided by someone else. You can get healthcare just fine from someone who does want to treat trans people.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:10 am

Necroghastia wrote:
The Republic of Fore wrote:Nobody is banning them from accessing healthcare. We're just not forcing people to treat them.

Which can be, in practice, banning them from accessing healthcare.

East Blepia wrote:I just broke into the reserve of queso dip and gulped down a fat dollop. Keep the good news coming!

Please, explain what is good about this.

They are probably giddy at the fact that trans people will be dead or something?
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Postby Cekoviu » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:10 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:You cared enough to post here.
Also, I don't know how to explain to you that you should care about other people.
Aren't you one of those Blue Lives Matter types? Isn't the whole point of the police, in your view, to protect and serve the community? We're talking about community protections being stripped away.

Something something trans people aren’t apart of the community/aren’t people/should be in mental wards.

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Postby Necroghastia » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:10 am

The Republic of Fore wrote:
Sundiata wrote: Healthcare is a human right.

No, it isn't. It's not a right if it has to be provided by someone else. You can get healthcare just fine from someone who does want to treat trans people.

Tell that to Robert Eads.
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Postby The Republic of Fore » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:11 am

Necroghastia wrote:
The Republic of Fore wrote:Nobody is banning them from accessing healthcare. We're just not forcing people to treat them.

Which can be, in practice, banning them from accessing healthcare.

East Blepia wrote:I just broke into the reserve of queso dip and gulped down a fat dollop. Keep the good news coming!

Please, explain what is good about this.

No, It's not. They can go to a doctor who wants to treat trans people. There's plenty of them. Personally I wouldn't want to give my money to someone who refused to deal with me over something I can't control.

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Postby Crockerland » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:11 am

The Republic of Fore wrote:No, it isn't. It's not a right if it has to be provided by someone else.

So you don't have a right to a jury of your peers?
Or a right to a public defendant?
No right to an impartial judge?

Think before you speak.
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Postby East Blepia » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:12 am

East Blepia wrote:I just broke into the reserve of queso dip and gulped down a fat dollop. Keep the good news coming!
Thermodolia wrote:Please, explain what is good about this.

Necroghastia wrote:They are probably giddy at the fact that trans people will be dead or something?


All of this 'trans' business is just ridiculous. I'm glad society is starting to quit giving these crybullies attention.
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1. https://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf "As of March 2020, in 2018 U.S. dollars (inflation-adjusted), total U.S.
aid to Israel... is $236 billion."

2. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver "Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple...You attacked us in Palestine...the degree of American support for Israel"

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Postby Necroghastia » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:13 am

East Blepia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:They are probably giddy at the fact that trans people will be dead or something?


All of this 'trans' business is just ridiculous. I'm glad society is starting to quit giving these crybullies attention.

So it's a good thing when people are left to die preventable deaths, just because they're trans.

Also, "crybullies," what? lmao
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Postby American Pere Housh » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:14 am

Sundiata wrote:
American Pere Housh wrote:This doesn't affect me whatsoever so I really couldn't care less.

People who experience gender dysphoria should have access to healthcare because they're human beings.

I never said they shouldn't have healthcare but there's others that need it more. Like my my step mom, she need it because of her bad heart which is a hereditary condition.
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Postby Necroghastia » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:15 am

American Pere Housh wrote:
Sundiata wrote:People who experience gender dysphoria should have access to healthcare because they're human beings.

I never said they shouldn't have healthcare but there's others that need it more. Like my my step mom, she need it because of her bad heart which is a hereditary condition.

Trans people can have heart conditions and other life-threatening conditions too, y'know.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:16 am

East Blepia wrote:
East Blepia wrote:I just broke into the reserve of queso dip and gulped down a fat dollop. Keep the good news coming!



All of this 'trans' business is just ridiculous. I'm glad society is starting to quit giving these crybullies attention.

There’s a difference in not giving people attention and cutting healthcare from people because you don’t like them.

One is fine while the other is evil. I might not be the biggest fan of trans people but we shouldn’t be withdrawing healthcare from them because that can effect non-trans people just as badly
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Postby The Republic of Fore » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:16 am

Necroghastia wrote:
The Republic of Fore wrote:No, it isn't. It's not a right if it has to be provided by someone else. You can get healthcare just fine from someone who does want to treat trans people.

Tell that to Robert Eads.

Wow, one example out of thousands of cases. Truly this is revolutionary news! You can find one example of just about anything. There was a teenage boy who was raped by his teacher and forced to pay child support. But in 99.99999% of cases that wouldn't happen.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:17 am

American Pere Housh wrote:
Sundiata wrote:People who experience gender dysphoria should have access to healthcare because they're human beings.

I never said they shouldn't have healthcare but there's others that need it more. Like my my step mom, she need it because of her bad heart which is a hereditary condition.

Healthcare shouldn’t be an either or decision but somehow we’ve made it into one
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Postby The Republic of Fore » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:18 am

Crockerland wrote:
The Republic of Fore wrote:No, it isn't. It's not a right if it has to be provided by someone else.

So you don't have a right to a jury of your peers?
Or a right to a public defendant?
No right to an impartial judge?

Think before you speak.

Both of the first two can be taken away from you. And It's literally impossible to be totally impartial, any judge who claims to be is a liar. If someone else provides it, then It's a privilege.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:18 am

The Republic of Fore wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Tell that to Robert Eads.

Wow, one example out of thousands of cases. Truly this is revolutionary news! You can find one example of just about anything. There was a teenage boy who was raped by his teacher and forced to pay child support. But in 99.99999% of cases that wouldn't happen.

Actually the later case is more common than you think unfortunately
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