Corporal Punishment -A Parental Right or Wrong?

[Purpelia]

I do not see how what you say and what he said contradict one another. His is just a subset of yours.

No, "fear of the rod reinforces good behaviour" is not a subset.

"Fear of the rod" also reinforces neutral behaviour, and indeed bad behaviour that the child can distinguish from the bad behaviour it is being punished for.

Unless the fear is extreme (because the pain of the rod is extreme) in which case it would discourage neutral behaviour like bicycle riding or ballet dancing. Surely you don't want that?

That is the definition of a subset. A set contained within another set. Apples are fruit, pears are fruit. Both are are a subset of fruit. Equally X does Y is a subset of X does Y and also Z.

Plus, you seem to be operating on a definition of "good" that is not solely defined as "everything that is not bad" which in the context of using punishment for training does not really apply. Just as not defining "bad" as "everything not good" would not reasonably apply in a reward based system.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

No, "fear of the rod reinforces good behaviour" is not a subset.

"Fear of the rod" also reinforces neutral behaviour, and indeed bad behaviour that the child can distinguish from the bad behaviour it is being punished for.

Unless the fear is extreme (because the pain of the rod is extreme) in which case it would discourage neutral behaviour like bicycle riding or ballet dancing. Surely you don't want that?

That is the definition of a subset. A set contained within another set. Apples are fruit, pears are fruit. Both are are a subset of fruit. Equally X does Y is a subset of X does Y and also Z.

Plus, you seem to be operating on a definition of "good" that is not solely defined as "everything that is not bad" which in the context of using punishment for training does not really apply. Just as not defining "bad" as "everything not good" would not reasonably apply in a reward based system.

Yeah. I am saying that parents should teach degrees of right and wrong. Everything that is not (punishably) bad, is not necessarily good. It might be only a bit bad (not punishably so, but frownable), it might be neutral or a bit good. Or it might be heartwarmingly insightful and kind, which I hope you agree would deserve some reward.

Anything else is expecting parents to lavish loving attention and give rewards to a kid schlubbed out on the couch. The kid is tired, they're taking a rest, does that deserve punishment or reward?

[Disgraces]

I literally just posted, last page about how corporal punishment doesn’t teach kids that behavior is wrong.

Trying to condition a child to not do certain things is no excuse to hit them but what is even worse is that so many people hit their kids at such a young age that their brains are literally incapable of making the connection between being hit and the action.

Last time I argued about this on the internet, it might have been here or maybe Reddit, I don't remember, someone admitted to hitting their 18 month old kid. And I told them that at that age the kid is incapable of comprehending why they're being hit and that they were inflicting pain and fear on their kid for nothing.

Lol what kind of 18 year old doesn't understand why he's being hit?

[Geneviev]

Trying to condition a child to not do certain things is no excuse to hit them but what is even worse is that so many people hit their kids at such a young age that their brains are literally incapable of making the connection between being hit and the action.

Last time I argued about this on the internet, it might have been here or maybe Reddit, I don't remember, someone admitted to hitting their 18 month old kid. And I told them that at that age the kid is incapable of comprehending why they're being hit and that they were inflicting pain and fear on their kid for nothing.

Lol what kind of 18 year old doesn't understand why he's being hit?

An ordinary one. Children at that age are too young.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Trying to condition a child to not do certain things is no excuse to hit them but what is even worse is that so many people hit their kids at such a young age that their brains are literally incapable of making the connection between being hit and the action.

Last time I argued about this on the internet, it might have been here or maybe Reddit, I don't remember, someone admitted to hitting their 18 month old kid. And I told them that at that age the kid is incapable of comprehending why they're being hit and that they were inflicting pain and fear on their kid for nothing.

Lol what kind of 18 year old doesn't understand why he's being hit?

Page said "18 month old" and the point is that's too young.

[Disgraces]

Lol what kind of 18 year old doesn't understand why he's being hit?

Page said "18 month old" and the point is that's too young.

Oh. My bad. Yeah that's fucked.up.

[Geneviev]

Lol what kind of 18 year old doesn't understand why he's being hit?

Page said "18 month old" and the point is that's too young.

I didn't read that Disgraces said year. Next time I'll read better, I guess.

[State of Turelisa]

Here's a case of a young man aged twenty-one, who has already accrued thirty-six offences. Gaoled for threats to kill to extract money from his mother to pay his drug addiction, and assaulting the police. Is this violent disrespect for one's parents, authority and the law the result of a lack of parental discipline together with a modern and enlightened judicial system which can inflict no harsher punishment than imprisonment to deal with recidivist youth?

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/ ... rug-money/

[Kowani]

Here's a case of a young man aged twenty-one, who has already accrued thirty-six offences. Gaoled for threats to kill to extract money from his mother to pay his drug addiction, and assaulting the police. Is this violent disrespect for one's parents, authority and the law the result of a lack of parental discipline together with a modern and enlightened judicial system which can inflict no harsher punishment than imprisonment to deal with recidivist youth?

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/ ... rug-money/

No. It’s the result of a cocaine addiction.

[Estanglia]

Here's a case of a young man aged twenty-one, who has already accrued thirty-six offences. Gaoled for threats to kill to extract money from his mother to pay his drug addiction, and assaulting the police. Is this violent disrespect for one's parents, authority and the law the result of a lack of parental discipline together with a modern and enlightened judicial system which can inflict no harsher punishment than imprisonment to deal with recidivist youth?

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/ ... rug-money/

Considering the article (as far as I can tell) makes no mention of the parenting techniques of the mother, nor how the potential punishment for his actions influenced the man in this case, I don't know.

[Holy Roman Empires2]

Well I barely was spanked, but sometimes was

[Katganistan]

Trying to condition a child to not do certain things is no excuse to hit them but what is even worse is that so many people hit their kids at such a young age that their brains are literally incapable of making the connection between being hit and the action.

Last time I argued about this on the internet, it might have been here or maybe Reddit, I don't remember, someone admitted to hitting their 18 month old kid. And I told them that at that age the kid is incapable of comprehending why they're being hit and that they were inflicting pain and fear on their kid for nothing.

Lol what kind of 18 year old doesn't understand why he's being hit?

They understand. They also understand that hitting the parent back is also an option to get them to stop hitting them -- because that's what they have been taught. Hitting stops the other person doing something you don't like.

{note: I am talking about 18 yr old young adults, not 18-month-old kids}