Corporal Punishment -A Parental Right or Wrong?

[Geneviev]

limited

What even is "limited assault"? Just a thwack on the head and not two dozen?

Not the head would be a good start. Corporal punishment should only be used when there are no other alternatives, and then the intent should not be to hurt a child and it shouldn't be emotional.

[The Emerald Legion]

I think the research tends to ignore the line between corporal punishment and child abuse, and the context of the relationship.

Well they're basically the same thing in most cases.

Having experienced both, there is a stark, night and day difference between the two.

[New haven america]

Lolz at the idea that "assaulting your children" doesn't introduce antisocial traits.

I didn't come here to be personally attacked thank you.

obligatory /s

[New haven america]

Well they're basically the same thing in most cases.

Having experienced both, there is a stark, night and day difference between the two.

Also having experience both? Nope, no discernable difference in most cases.

[The Free Joy State]

It's based on one self-report study at a Christian university, rather than 88 objective studies.

Pass.


There are always other alternatives.

We are not talking about lightly tapping an infant's hand away from a hot stove -- in the heat of the moment -- for their protection, we are talking about deliberately hitting a comprehending child because they are doing something that is annoying to the parent.

Parents have other options, they just choose not to use them.


Subjective report is not research.

All the pro-spanking side has is subjective opinion. Even the "research" is based on subjective report.

Sometimes the other options do nothing. Some children are more rebellious and won't listen to their parents when it's good for them, and in those cases corporal punishment can be the only option.

This argument amounts to a homily, something available almost to be recited by rote. The thing is, it isn't actually backed up by any accredited research, whereas the ineffectiveness and harmfulness of corporal punishment is well-supported by research.

I've worked with children. I could never support anything that could harm the mental wellbeing or future chances of a child.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Sometimes the other options do nothing. Some children are more rebellious and won't listen to their parents when it's good for them, and in those cases corporal punishment can be the only option.

This argument amounts to a homily, something available almost to be recited by rote. The thing is, it isn't actually backed up by any accredited research.

And sometimes that accredited research suggests that beating children even once leads to more aggressive, less emotionally stable and even more antisocial children.

[Geneviev]

I already linked it.

Your source is shitty.

Other source

[New haven america]

It's based on one self-report study at a Christian university, rather than 88 objective studies.

Pass.


There are always other alternatives.

We are not talking about lightly tapping an infant's hand away from a hot stove -- in the heat of the moment -- for their protection, we are talking about deliberately hitting a comprehending child because they are doing something that is annoying to the parent.

Parents have other options, they just choose not to use them.


Subjective report is not research.

All the pro-spanking side has is subjective opinion. Even the "research" is based on subjective report.

Sometimes the other options do nothing. Some children are more rebellious and won't listen to their parents when it's good for them, and in those cases corporal punishment can be the only option.

You say that, but we have tons of evidence and research that says no, there are always other options or methods.

Instead of saying there's not other option, what about the reverse? That the parents just gave up and are going with the easy/lazy route?

[New haven america]

Your source is shitty.

Other source

Fucking Focus on the Family is a hardcore conservative Christian organization that believes that child and spousal abuse "Correction" is fine.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Your source is shitty.

Other source

Do you have anything that's not agitation propaganda written by clearly Christian opinionators?

[Nobel Hobos 2]

What even is "limited assault"? Just a thwack on the head and not two dozen?

Not the head would be a good start. Corporal punishment should only be used when there are no other alternatives, and then the intent should not be to hurt a child and it shouldn't be emotional.

How is it punishment if it doesn't hurt?

[Geneviev]

Sometimes the other options do nothing. Some children are more rebellious and won't listen to their parents when it's good for them, and in those cases corporal punishment can be the only option.

This argument amounts to a homily, something available almost to be recited by rote. The thing is, it isn't actually backed up by any accredited research, whereas the ineffectiveness and harmfulness of corporal punishment is well-supported by research.

I've worked with children. I could never support anything that could harm the mental wellbeing or future chances of a child.

There's research for both sides. I would never want to harm children, but sometimes those things are necessary.

[New haven america]

What even is "limited assault"? Just a thwack on the head and not two dozen?

Not the head would be a good start. Corporal punishment should only be used when there are no other alternatives, and then the intent should not be to hurt a child and it shouldn't be emotional.

How do you perform corporal punishment with hurting the child when the very idea of corporal punishment is hurting the child?

[Allenstadt]

No one forced the parents in question to have kids, so they might as well treat them properly. :

[Ravennog]

Effective? Yes. Morally right? No.

If anything - I'd prefer rehabilitation to solve problems directly - without any harm.

Sorry if this seems out-of-touch or anything; I am very unfamiliar with this topic and wish to learn more about it.

[New haven america]

This argument amounts to a homily, something available almost to be recited by rote. The thing is, it isn't actually backed up by any accredited research, whereas the ineffectiveness and harmfulness of corporal punishment is well-supported by research.

I've worked with children. I could never support anything that could harm the mental wellbeing or future chances of a child.

1. There's research for both sides. 2. I would never want to harm children, but sometimes those things are necessary.

1. No no, there's research for 1 side, and propaganda/fallacies for the other side.
2. And yet you're ok with corporal punishment.

[The Free Joy State]

This argument amounts to a homily, something available almost to be recited by rote. The thing is, it isn't actually backed up by any accredited research.

And sometimes that accredited research suggests that beating children even once leads to more aggressive, less emotionally stable and even more antisocial children.

I know, I've been pointing to that.

There's also evidence that corporal punishment can interfere with learning and impair a child's achievement.

[Geneviev]

Other source

Do you have anything that's not agitation propaganda written by clearly Christian opinionators?

It's a psychologist writing on Time. It's not propaganda.

Not the head would be a good start. Corporal punishment should only be used when there are no other alternatives, and then the intent should not be to hurt a child and it shouldn't be emotional.

How is it punishment if it doesn't hurt?

It shouldn't be too extreme. If the intent is anything other than teaching, it can become abuse by inflicting too much pain.

[Disgraces]

I was hit as a kid many times and thank God I was.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Why are we even considering opinions from people who's sole job it is to remove human rights from those they deem beneath them? We consider hitting people without their informed consent starkly illegal and immoral, why are people trying to exempt children from this principle?

[Socialist States of Ludistan]

Hitting children is just like hitting adults, no, worse than hitting adults. It’s illegal for a reason.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Do you have anything that's not agitation propaganda written by clearly Christian opinionators?

It's a psychologist writing on Time. It's not propaganda.

Written by an agitator from Focus on the Family... I question everything about this opinion piece, from the content to the very degree the author alleges to have received.

[The Free Joy State]

This argument amounts to a homily, something available almost to be recited by rote. The thing is, it isn't actually backed up by any accredited research, whereas the ineffectiveness and harmfulness of corporal punishment is well-supported by research.

I've worked with children. I could never support anything that could harm the mental wellbeing or future chances of a child.

There's research for both sides.

No, one side has actual research. The other has subjective opinion disguised as research (and not well, as no-one wants to publish it)

I would never want to harm children, but sometimes those things are necessary.

You keep saying that, but it's just a by-rote chant at this point.

You are yet to provide research establishing that removing privileges and other methods don't work.

[Geneviev]

Not the head would be a good start. Corporal punishment should only be used when there are no other alternatives, and then the intent should not be to hurt a child and it shouldn't be emotional.

How do you perform corporal punishment with hurting the child when the very idea of corporal punishment is hurting the child?

It can't be too painful for the child. It shouldn't hurt much, but only show them that they're wrong in their actions.

1. There's research for both sides. 2. I would never want to harm children, but sometimes those things are necessary.

1. No no, there's research for 1 side, and propaganda/fallacies for the other side.
2. And yet you're ok with corporal punishment.

Corporal punishment should only be used to help children.

[Thermodolia]

Do you have anything that's not agitation propaganda written by clearly Christian opinionators?

It's a psychologist writing on Time. It's not propaganda.

How is it punishment if it doesn't hurt?

It shouldn't be too extreme. If the intent is anything other than teaching, it can become abuse by inflicting too much pain.

Why does this sound oddly familiar? Ya know it kinda sounds like that guy who said that it was ok to abuse your wife but gently as if that changed anything