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by Dominioan » Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:36 am
by State of Turelisa » Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:43 am
Salandriagado wrote:Assault does not stop being assault because the person you're assaulting happens to be a child.
George Orwell wrote: It is a mistake to think such methods do not work. They work very well for their special purpose.
Dr Samuel Johnson wrote:I would rather have the rod to be the general terror to all, to make them learn...The rod produces an effect which terminates in itself. A child is afraid of being whipped, and gets his task, and there’s an end on’t;
Proverbs 29:215 wrote: The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.
by Salandriagado » Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:47 am
State of Turelisa wrote:Salandriagado wrote:Assault does not stop being assault because the person you're assaulting happens to be a child.
Assault is unjustifiable physical harm for a selfish motive, such as revenge or vengeance.
Corporal punishment is justifiable. It's immediate aim is at correcting and deterring misbehaviour by which character is reformed in the long term.
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:50 am
State of Turelisa wrote:reformed in the long term.
by Galloism » Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:29 pm
Salandriagado wrote:State of Turelisa wrote:
Assault is unjustifiable physical harm for a selfish motive, such as revenge or vengeance.
Corporal punishment is justifiable. It's immediate aim is at correcting and deterring misbehaviour by which character is reformed in the long term.
You're wrong on two counts;
1. Assault is "Inflicting intentional or reckless harm towards another individual". Corporal punishment is clearly intentional harm inflicted on another individual, so is assault.
2. It doesn't fucking work, and we've known this for fucking decades.
by United Muscovite Nations » Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:31 pm
by Dylar » Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:46 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Corporal punishment should only be administered on adults who are guilty of serious crimes but who are not necessarily dangerous to society. Prisons are far less humane.
St. Albert the Great wrote:"Natural science does not consist in ratifying what others have said, but in seeking the causes of phenomena."
Franko Tildon wrote:Fire washes the skin off the bone and the sin off the soul. It cleans away the dirt. And my momma didn't raise herself no dirty boy.
by United Muscovite Nations » Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:48 pm
by Dylar » Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:49 pm
St. Albert the Great wrote:"Natural science does not consist in ratifying what others have said, but in seeking the causes of phenomena."
Franko Tildon wrote:Fire washes the skin off the bone and the sin off the soul. It cleans away the dirt. And my momma didn't raise herself no dirty boy.
by State of Turelisa » Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:53 pm
by The Reformed American Republic » Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:34 pm
State of Turelisa wrote:Salandriagado wrote:Assault does not stop being assault because the person you're assaulting happens to be a child.
Assault is unjustifiable physical harm for a selfish motive, such as revenge or vengeance.
Corporal punishment is justifiable. It's immediate aim is at correcting and deterring misbehaviour by which character is reformed in the long term.George Orwell wrote: It is a mistake to think such methods do not work. They work very well for their special purpose.Dr Samuel Johnson wrote:I would rather have the rod to be the general terror to all, to make them learn...The rod produces an effect which terminates in itself. A child is afraid of being whipped, and gets his task, and there’s an end on’t;Proverbs 29:215 wrote: The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.
by Geneviev » Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:51 pm
by Sundiata » Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:11 pm
by The Emerald Legion » Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:28 pm
Dazchan wrote:Political Geography wrote:
The kind of things little kids do are quite easy to judge right or wrong. Hitting your little sister is wrong, that gets a spanking. Running around the house with no clothes on, not so wrong, no spanking.
I’m sorry, but how exactly do you teach a child that hitting people is wrong by hitting them?
by Valentine Z » Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:37 pm
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by Saiwania » Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:47 pm
by Atheris » Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:52 pm
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:06 pm
Valentine Z wrote:If it is something like underage smoking, drinking, stealing, much more serious stuff, probably time for me and the kid to have a rather long pep talk, and obviously to deal with underlying issues, if any (e.g. did my hypothetical kid just got into peer pressure?). Underlying issues are always a thing, or they're just gullible, like father like son.
by New haven america » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:07 pm
by Valentine Z » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:08 pm
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Valentine Z wrote:If it is something like underage smoking, drinking, stealing, much more serious stuff, probably time for me and the kid to have a rather long pep talk, and obviously to deal with underlying issues, if any (e.g. did my hypothetical kid just got into peer pressure?). Underlying issues are always a thing, or they're just gullible, like father like son.
A "pep talk" is an inspirational or encouraging talking-to. I think you mean the opposite. Maybe a stern lecture?
♪ If you are reading my sig, I want you to have the best day ever ! You are worth it, do not let anyone get you down ! ♪
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Selanese Empire wrote:Not many would notice except for the little cult surrounding him.
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by Galloism » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:09 pm
Atheris wrote:I wasn't beaten as a child. One of my best friends was. Said best friend hates his parents beyond belief and ran away multiple times. I currently still live with my parents and love them more than many other things in this world.
There's quite the piece of evidence for you.
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:14 pm
State of Turelisa wrote:Salandriagado wrote:Assault does not stop being assault because the person you're assaulting happens to be a child.
Assault is unjustifiable physical harm for a selfish motive, such as revenge or vengeance.
Corporal punishment is justifiable. It's immediate aim is at correcting and deterring misbehaviour by which character is reformed in the long term.George Orwell wrote: It is a mistake to think such methods do not work. They work very well for their special purpose.Dr Samuel Johnson wrote:I would rather have the rod to be the general terror to all, to make them learn...The rod produces an effect which terminates in itself. A child is afraid of being whipped, and gets his task, and there’s an end on’t;Proverbs 29:215 wrote: The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.
by Geneviev » Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:26 pm
by The Free Joy State » Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:27 pm
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:State of Turelisa wrote:
Assault is unjustifiable physical harm for a selfish motive, such as revenge or vengeance.
Corporal punishment is justifiable. It's immediate aim is at correcting and deterring misbehaviour by which character is reformed in the long term.
Is the Orwell quote from 1984?
"The rod produces an effect which terminates in itself" is just blatantly untrue. There are lasting effects of corporal punishment.
"The rod and reproof" together, are not the opposite of "left to himself". This is a basic fallacy (fallacy of the missing middle). Other options are just-the-rod (very bad) and just-the-reproof (quite good).
by Shanghai industrial complex » Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:34 pm
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