Corporal Punishment -A Parental Right or Wrong?

[South Odreria 2]

I don’t believe in it but the usual arguments against it don’t hold up and neither do the studies.

[The Alma Mater]

Only if you agree on a safeword first.

To be honest I think S&M fetishes might sometimes stem from trauma from being hit as a kid, that one consents for their partner to spank them as a way of taking back control. Just a theory.

Oh, there certainly is truth to that. Many holocaust survivors also ended up in the bdsm scene after they were freed from the camps. It helped dealing with the trauma.

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What kind of behavior deserves violence? I can entertain the notion that if I had a kid who started trying to stab me or set the house on fire that I would use force to subdue them, but it's quite rare for a kid to be homicidal.

I never tried to stab my parents. I was hit for petty and irrelevant bullshit like not wanting to wear the clothes my parents wanted me to, or using profanity, or "talking back."

If they're bullying other kids, or they're doing something dangerous, or if they refuse to listen to their parents and it becomes a serious problem.

The bullies were being hit by their parents in the first place more often than not, and in fact that might be the origin of the bullying. They learn the lesson that when you're bigger and stronger you can do what you want to the weaker ones.

[Geneviev]

If they're bullying other kids, or they're doing something dangerous, or if they refuse to listen to their parents and it becomes a serious problem.

The bullies were being hit by their parents in the first place more often than not, and in fact that might be the origin of the bullying. They learn the lesson that when you're bigger and stronger you can do what you want to the weaker ones.

That wouldn't be possible if the hitting were actually controlled from the beginning.

[Nolo gap]

children have a moral right to seek asylum from abusive parents through a fair and impartial legal system.

parents of course have an equal right to take reasonable and necessary measures protect their sanity, and that of the society they live in.

there's no never or always about this. it is a totally nuanced reality.

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The bullies were being hit by their parents in the first place more often than not, and in fact that might be the origin of the bullying. They learn the lesson that when you're bigger and stronger you can do what you want to the weaker ones.

That wouldn't be possible if the hitting were actually controlled from the beginning.

That is absurd.

[Sundiata]

I hope I never feel inclined to use violence towards anyone.

[Geneviev]

That wouldn't be possible if the hitting were actually controlled from the beginning.

That is absurd.

No. The kids would learn from their parents' example.

[South Odreria 2]

I don’t buy most of the arguments against spanking, but I also just don’t see the necessity of using violence to raise children.

[Geneviev]

I hope I never feel inclined to use violence towards anyone.

I don't know that I would even be able to do it.

[State of Turelisa]

In response to the argument which several posters have made, I don't think corporal punishment makes violent personalities, and I base that on examples of gentle and harmless people who really were abused as children, and two examples of psychopathic people, Hitler and Stalin, who were anti-social children and punished harshly for it.

Anecdotal proof for me is my childhood. I was a very problematic child who didn't respect rules or respond well to authority at home and in the classroom, and my behaviour only worsened as I got older. The violent beating across the legs with a belt, which I got for stealing at the age of ten, was the last resort. All other reactions to previous misdemeanours - remonstrations, threats, confinements to my bedroom and confiscating toys - hadn't encouraged reform in my character, and my parents long patience had finally been exhausted and replaced with a righteous anger and a profound anxiety for my future status as an adult member of society.

Corporal punishment hasn't made me a violent, anti-social criminal who hates authority, and I don't resent my parents for their wrathful punishment upon me, which I can talk about in complete agreement with them now as a healthy, well-adjusted adult who's thankful for their intervention.

[Necroghastia]

Don't hit your kids, unless you WANT to traumatize them, in which case... the fuck is wrong with you?

[Necroghastia]

Corporal punishment hasn't made me a violent,

Hard to reconcile that with how you're okay with children being physically abused.

[Aeritai]

It is true that children need to be disciplined, but using psyhical punishment against them is not the right way. Of course when I was spanked as a child that didn't hurt my relationship with my parents. However, other kids experiences are way different than mine and I think physical punishment shouldn't be use and there are effective ways to discipline them.

For example just ground them from their toys, video games, and iPads. Most kids these days can't live without their technology and it would teach them not to do wrong.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Let's be honest, OP only supports this because it's in the bible, and that is all the reasoning he needs. He is a theocrat and barbaric punishments like this are everywhere in the bible.

[The Archbishopric of York]

I don't think that lightly smacking a child to discipline them is "abusive" in the slightest. Particularly with young children, it can be difficult to punish them in any other way. You can't explain to them why what they are doing is wrong or, for that matter, dangerous; you can send them to the "naughty step" or whatever the equivalent in your household is, or you can take away a favoured toy, but those kinds of punishments require a certain degree of cooperation from the child. The quickest and most effective way to prevent a child from, say, sticking their finger in a plug socket or putting things in their mouths that they shouldn't is to give them a literal slap on the wrist.

Don't hit your kids, unless you WANT to traumatize them, in which case... the fuck is wrong with you?

I and hundreds of millions, perhaps billions, of people around the world stand as testament to the fact that physically disciplining children doesn't "traumatise" them, at least not unless you're using excessive force- at which point, yes, you've crossed the line over into abuse.

[State of Turelisa]

Let's be honest, OP only supports this because it's in the bible, and that is all the reasoning he needs. He is a theocrat and barbaric punishments like this are everywhere in the bible.

I outlined my reasoning in my previous post with anecdotal evidence, which hasn't been supplemented with reference to Scripture. Your groundless accusation is clearly flamebaiting.

Let's be honest? Don't make me laugh.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Let's be honest, OP only supports this because it's in the bible, and that is all the reasoning he needs. He is a theocrat and barbaric punishments like this are everywhere in the bible.

I outlined my reasoning in my previous post with anecdotal evidence, which hasn't been supplemented with reference to Scripture. Your groundless accusation is clearly flamebaiting.

Let's be honest? Don't make me laugh.

My intent is not to flamebait, but anyway, you know where acusations of flamebaiting go.

Anecdotal reasons and evidence is also not very convincing.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I don't understand the fetish about beating people.

[The Orson Empire]

My parents used corporal punishment in me, but I hold no animosity toward then, nor do I consider myself to be abused. In fact, I appreciate the level of discipline I was instilled with.

That being said, however, I can understand the arguments of corporal punishment being a dated practice, when far healthier alternatives exists. I can't see myself spanking my kids, if I ever have any.

[Geneviev]

Don't hit your kids, unless you WANT to traumatize them, in which case... the fuck is wrong with you?

It doesn't necessarily traumatize them. It depends on how its done and your intent. Wanting to hurt kids is definitely wrong.

[Thermodolia]

I don't think that lightly smacking a child to discipline them is "abusive" in the slightest. Particularly with young children, it can be difficult to punish them in any other way. You can't explain to them why what they are doing is wrong or, for that matter, dangerous; you can send them to the "naughty step" or whatever the equivalent in your household is, or you can take away a favoured toy, but those kinds of punishments require a certain degree of cooperation from the child. The quickest and most effective way to prevent a child from, say, sticking their finger in a plug socket or putting things in their mouths that they shouldn't is to give them a literal slap on the wrist.

Don't hit your kids, unless you WANT to traumatize them, in which case... the fuck is wrong with you?

I and hundreds of millions, perhaps billions, of people around the world stand as testament to the fact that physically disciplining children doesn't "traumatise" them, at least not unless you're using excessive force- at which point, yes, you've crossed the line over into abuse.

There’s a difference between slapping a child’s hand away from being burnt or making sure they don’t eat something bad and beating them because they did something bad.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Pretty sure applying fist to head of child causes personality changes at the mildest but that's maybe just me.

[Necroghastia]

I don't understand the fetish about beating people.

I understand the fetish. I don't understand wanting to beat children if they act up.

[Salandriagado]

Assault does not stop being assault because the person you're assaulting happens to be a child.