The NationStates Feminism Thread IV: Fight Like A Girl!

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

But I still believe that reason ought to be able to veto the passions if need be. If your passions go against all reason I think it's time to find new passions.

See, when I say this, people get mad at me.

You take it much further though.

[Kowani]

fyi chidi was pretty much wrong about "kant refuting most of hume's central theses" if that's where you're getting that from

That is where I was getting it from.

not quite how it works but okey dokey

How does it work then?

Kant sucks, don't listen to him.

See, when I say this, people get mad at me.

You take it much further though.

The bravery to tread where others will not!

[Sundiata]

Mary Koss.

Ok, could you send me a research article or a portion of a publication that she wrote or contributed to which confirms that? It's not that I don't believe you but I need a citation to confirm that belief.

I would also like to add that I would like to know what she's responding to if that's the particular academic context as well.

[Cekoviu]

fyi chidi was pretty much wrong about "kant refuting most of hume's central theses" if that's where you're getting that from

That is where I was getting it from.

not quite how it works but okey dokey

How does it work then?

you don't just "get new passions." the idea i'm referencing is from Hume's A Treatise of Human Nature; it is simple nature for reason to be simply a subset of the emotions (what he refers to as the passions), fundamentally driven by them. without emotion, there is no reason. you cannot have the slave veto the master, it does not work.

[Cekoviu]

That is where I was getting it from.

How does it work then?

Kant sucks, don't listen to him.

possibly the first philosophical topic about which you've been correct

[Sundiata]

Kant sucks, don't listen to him.

possibly the first philosophical topic about which you've been correct

Kant's categorical imperatives are one of the few philosophical contributions of the enlightenment era that aren't outright heretical. He is a good philosopher.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

That is where I was getting it from.

How does it work then?

you don't just "get new passions." the idea i'm referencing is from Hume's A Treatise of Human Nature; it is simple nature for reason to be simply a subset of the emotions (what he refers to as the passions), fundamentally driven by them. without emotion, there is no reason. you cannot have the slave veto the master, it does not work.

But you can have reason without emotion, and reason neither is nor ought be a slave of the passions.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Kant sucks, don't listen to him.

I will read Kant one day!

[Kowani]

Kant sucks, don't listen to him.

possibly the first philosophical topic about which you've been correct

First and last.

Kant sucks, don't listen to him.

I will read Kant one day!

That is like reading Ayn Rand. You will only fill your head with bad ideas.

[Wink Wonk We Like Stonks]

Anyway, I'm of the belief that the abuse which biological women have faced over history is in fact, wrong. Women being educated was not a mistake. Women's suffrage was not a mistake. Women working equally alongside men was not a mistake. Women's pay being equal to men's was not a mistake.

These are issues with support all across the political spectrum, but unfortunately, a lot of people just don't get it. Women's rights are human rights. What I find staggering is the regular points of contention regarding these relatively simple issues.

And yes, I am a feminist.

so when trans women get abused it's not wrong? do they just not count as women to you?

[Sundiata]

Anyway, I'm of the belief that the abuse which biological women have faced over history is in fact, wrong. Women being educated was not a mistake. Women's suffrage was not a mistake. Women working equally alongside men was not a mistake. Women's pay being equal to men's was not a mistake.

These are issues with support all across the political spectrum, but unfortunately, a lot of people just don't get it. Women's rights are human rights. What I find staggering is the regular points of contention regarding these relatively simple issues.

And yes, I am a feminist.

so when trans women get abused it's not wrong? do they just not count as women to you?

The abuse of people who experience gender dysphoria is also wrong.

[Wink Wonk We Like Stonks]

It is admittedly quite amusing how many threads are havens for the exact opposite opinion. Gun control, Marxism, anti-socialism, MAGA - all are filled with people who disagree with said position.

we love the anti-socialism thread. only good thread about socialism, and it's filled with socialists making jokes about capitalism and grains.

[Kowani]

It is admittedly quite amusing how many threads are havens for the exact opposite opinion. Gun control, Marxism, anti-socialism, MAGA - all are filled with people who disagree with said position.

we love the anti-socialism thread. only good thread about socialism, and it's filled with socialists making jokes about capitalism and grains.

Appear, and your enemies shall organize against you.

[Sundiata]

Ok, could you send me a research article or a portion of a publication that she wrote or contributed to which confirms that? It's not that I don't believe you but I need a citation to confirm that belief.

I would also like to add that I would like to know what she's responding to if that's the particular academic context as well.

I don't mean to be impatient but I'm still waiting on this citation.

[Wink Wonk We Like Stonks]

so when trans women get abused it's not wrong? do they just not count as women to you?

The abuse of people who experience gender dysphoria is also wrong.

so you refuse to acknowledge that they are women. i'm not surprised.

[Sundiata]

The abuse of people who experience gender dysphoria is also wrong.

so you refuse to acknowledge that they are women. i'm not surprised.

Women can also experience gender dysphoria.

[Kowani]

I would also like to add that I would like to know what she's responding to if that's the particular academic context as well.

I don't mean to be impatient but I'm still waiting on this citation.

I believe Des-Bal is offline.

[Cekoviu]

you don't just "get new passions." the idea i'm referencing is from Hume's A Treatise of Human Nature; it is simple nature for reason to be simply a subset of the emotions (what he refers to as the passions), fundamentally driven by them. without emotion, there is no reason. you cannot have the slave veto the master, it does not work.

But you can have reason without emotion, and reason neither is nor ought be a slave of the passions.

you can't tho, not as a human being. srsly, read hume.

[Wink Wonk We Like Stonks]

i'm not a sex worker bruv

when have i ever said the patriarchy came up with the distinction between male and female, for the record i am not a moron and i do think that's a legitimate biological distinction (distinct from the associated gender roles obv)

nope

And yet you are Trans, and part of a group that happily allies themselves with people who don't want you to exist.

Do you not see an issue with this?

tfw you're trans, but terfs are so based you start to agree with them, and they infect you with their misandry.

[Wink Wonk We Like Stonks]

so you refuse to acknowledge that they are women. i'm not surprised.

Women can also experience gender dysphoria.

so you think trans men are women. again, not surprised.

[Cekoviu]

why is this thread on about transsexuality all of a sudden, can we get back on track

[Wink Wonk We Like Stonks]

we love the anti-socialism thread. only good thread about socialism, and it's filled with socialists making jokes about capitalism and grains.

Appear, and your enemies shall organize against you.

I, a non-socialist, used to post in the "how to save socialism in the us" thread, but I got tried for getting bullied for not reading Marx and using dictionaries for definitions.

[Sundiata]

Women can also experience gender dysphoria.

so you think trans men are women. again, not surprised.

Stop it.

[Wink Wonk We Like Stonks]

are misandrists feminists? argue against cek for the next week discuss.

[Wink Wonk We Like Stonks]

so you think trans men are women. again, not surprised.

Stop it.

tell me I'm wrong. i'd love to be wrong.