The NationStates Feminism Thread IV: Fight Like A Girl!

[The Rich Port]

Oh they want virgins? I understand. The “used goods” would understand how bad they are.

Most want pure virginal women who will kiss their feet, cook for them, and tend to their every need while the Incel is preoccupied with their various hobbies.

Most incels don't view the average woman as worth their time or effort.

I think it's funny that incels don't value their own virginity but they do value women's virginity. Delusional mental gymnastics are something.

It doesn't help most incels hate themselves too apparently.

I suspect there's both a fair amount of mental illness and presence on the autism spectrum in the incel community.

Many seem to lack the ability to pick up on social cues and things of that nature, which leads me to believe this. Add into that the social ostracism and lack-of-partner shaming (where they're literally blamed for the results of their mental illness), and it likely creates this insular hate-filled screed that, not really unexpectedly, then makes the shaming and social ostracism worse because now they proved that the people ostracizing them were right all along.

Which isn't universal, either. I'm on the spectrum, I had an incel phase, but this was both way before "Inceldom" was a concept on the Internet at all and the solution to it wasn't hating everything but learning how to see the goodness and love in everyone. I'm not special, I just don't take lazy ways to justify my ego.

Jordan Peterson's lessons about personal responsibility apparently don't stick very well with incels.

[Stellar Colonies]

Oh they want virgins? I understand. The “used goods” would understand how bad they are.

Most want pure virginal women who will kiss their feet, cook for them, and tend to their every need while the Incel is preoccupied with their various hobbies.

Most incels don't view the average woman as worth their time or effort.

Incels do seem to view an ideal partner as fulfilling his/her gender roles (male ones wanting their victims to do basically what you laid out, female ones wanting their victims to dole out a great deal of money, time, and attention to them as part of the male protector role).

[Albrenia]

It's unfortunate that they are called 'incels' really, since the inability to get laid is the least of their problems. I doubt the majority of them would be much happier if they had the same circumstances, just with having had sex one time.

Social isolation, becoming steeped in a delusional internet-fuelled worldview that sees women as subhuman and other men as the enemy and often mental illness are what really cause their problems, really. Not all their fault, to be sure. Sadly they don't do anything to help their own case with their actions such as the veneration of spree killers.

[New haven america]

Most want pure virginal women who will kiss their feet, cook for them, and tend to their every need while the Incel is preoccupied with their various hobbies.

Most incels don't view the average woman as worth their time or effort.

I think it's funny that incels don't value their own virginity but they do value women's virginity. Delusional mental gymnastics are something.

I suspect there's both a fair amount of mental illness and presence on the autism spectrum in the incel community.

Many seem to lack the ability to pick up on social cues and things of that nature, which leads me to believe this. Add into that the social ostracism and lack-of-partner shaming (where they're literally blamed for the results of their mental illness), and it likely creates this insular hate-filled screed that, not really unexpectedly, then makes the shaming and social ostracism worse because now they proved that the people ostracizing them were right all along.

Which isn't universal, either. I'm on the spectrum, I had an incel phase, but this was both way before "Inceldom" was a concept on the Internet at all and the solution to it wasn't hating everything but learning how to see the goodness and love in everyone. I'm not special, I just don't take lazy ways to justify my ego.

Jordan Peterson's lessons about personal responsibility apparently don't stick very well with incels.

IIRC, the logic behind it is that: "A key that opens many locks is a good key, while a lock that opens from many keys is a broken lock."

Basically, since dating is harder for guys, guys that can get gals have it made, while gals that get with multiple guys aren't worth it.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I think it's funny that incels don't value their own virginity but they do value women's virginity. Delusional mental gymnastics are something.



Which isn't universal, either. I'm on the spectrum, I had an incel phase, but this was both way before "Inceldom" was a concept on the Internet at all and the solution to it wasn't hating everything but learning how to see the goodness and love in everyone. I'm not special, I just don't take lazy ways to justify my ego.

Jordan Peterson's lessons about personal responsibility apparently don't stick very well with incels.

IIRC, the logic behind it is that: "A key that opens many locks is a good key, while a lock that opens from many keys is a broken lock."

Basically, since dating is harder for guys, guys that can get gals have it made, while gals that get with multiple guys aren't worth it.

I got a wiser saying. A man who compares women to locks is a moron and there's a reason girls don't fuck with him.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

Basically, since dating is harder for guys, guys that can get gals have it made, while gals that get with multiple guys aren't worth it.

That... what? That doesn’t even make internal sense.

Accepting the premise for the sake of argument, wouldn’t it be a good thing if you happen to provide a service in low supply and high demand and you decide to supply more of it?

When the demand for toilet paper spiked last year, we didn’t say that people who could and did get their hands on lots of it “[had] it made”, we called them a menace on society.

If we accept the frankly sexist premise that physical affection is a scarce resource that women provide for the benefit of men, shouldn’t women who sleep around be lauded, not condemned?

[Galloism]

Basically, since dating is harder for guys, guys that can get gals have it made, while gals that get with multiple guys aren't worth it.

That... what? That doesn’t even make internal sense.

Accepting the premise for the sake of argument, wouldn’t it be a good thing if you happen to provide a service in low supply and high demand and you decide to supply more of it?

When the demand for toilet paper spiked last year, we didn’t say that people who could and did get their hands on lots of it “[had] it made”, we called them a menace on society.

If we accept the frankly sexist premise that physical affection is a scarce resource that women provide for the benefit of men, shouldn’t women who sleep around be lauded, not condemned?

Excuse me, you attempt to be applying economics to interpersonal relationships. For various reasons, this is not likely to work.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

That... what? That doesn’t even make internal sense.

Accepting the premise for the sake of argument, wouldn’t it be a good thing if you happen to provide a service in low supply and high demand and you decide to supply more of it?

When the demand for toilet paper spiked last year, we didn’t say that people who could and did get their hands on lots of it “[had] it made”, we called them a menace on society.

If we accept the frankly sexist premise that physical affection is a scarce resource that women provide for the benefit of men, shouldn’t women who sleep around be lauded, not condemned?

Excuse me, you attempt to be applying economics to interpersonal relationships. For various reasons, this is not likely to work.

That's where you're wrong bro. Ever hear of Escort Services?

[The Rich Port]

I think it's funny that incels don't value their own virginity but they do value women's virginity. Delusional mental gymnastics are something.



Which isn't universal, either. I'm on the spectrum, I had an incel phase, but this was both way before "Inceldom" was a concept on the Internet at all and the solution to it wasn't hating everything but learning how to see the goodness and love in everyone. I'm not special, I just don't take lazy ways to justify my ego.

Jordan Peterson's lessons about personal responsibility apparently don't stick very well with incels.

IIRC, the logic behind it is that: "A key that opens many locks is a good key, while a lock that opens from many keys is a broken lock."

Basically, since dating is harder for guys, guys that can get gals have it made, while gals that get with multiple guys aren't worth it.

Not entirely horrible logic and metaphor but the funny part is... Incel's lost the one key that opens the lock and I bet they wish they had the lock that opens from multiple keys instead.

[Proctopeo]

I suspect there's both a fair amount of mental illness and presence on the autism spectrum in the incel community.

Many seem to lack the ability to pick up on social cues and things of that nature, which leads me to believe this. Add into that the social ostracism and lack-of-partner shaming (where they're literally blamed for the results of their mental illness), and it likely creates this insular hate-filled screed that, not really unexpectedly, then makes the shaming and social ostracism worse because now they proved that the people ostracizing them were right all along.

Which isn't universal, either. I'm on the spectrum, I had an incel phase, but this was both way before "Inceldom" was a concept on the Internet at all and the solution to it wasn't hating everything but learning how to see the goodness and love in everyone. I'm not special, I just don't take lazy ways to justify my ego.

Being well before the concept itself makes for significantly different circumstances tbh

IIRC, the logic behind it is that: "A key that opens many locks is a good key, while a lock that opens from many keys is a broken lock."

Basically, since dating is harder for guys, guys that can get gals have it made, while gals that get with multiple guys aren't worth it.

Not entirely horrible logic and metaphor but the funny part is... Incel's lost the one key that opens the lock and I bet they wish they had the lock that opens from multiple keys instead.

Well, I have seen incels decide that they're more likely to get laid as woman than they are as men. I'm not sure if it works, though, as I've seen quite a few incel-y trans people.

[Stellar Colonies]

Federal judge says Biden restaurant fund discriminated against white male (The Hill)

Federal judge rules restaurant relief fund discriminated against white man (Jurist)

[Proctopeo]

Federal judge says Biden restaurant fund discriminated against white male (The Hill)

Federal judge rules restaurant relief fund discriminated against white man (Jurist)

Yeah, baking discrimination into a relief fund is pretty shitty (albeit ballsy) regardless of motive.

[Vassenor]

Federal judge says Biden restaurant fund discriminated against white male (The Hill)

Federal judge rules restaurant relief fund discriminated against white man (Jurist)

And now Miller is never going to shut the fuck up about how this proves that everything the US Government does is to oppress white men.

[Galloism]

Federal judge says Biden restaurant fund discriminated against white male (The Hill)

Federal judge rules restaurant relief fund discriminated against white man (Jurist)

And now Miller is never going to shut the fuck up about how this proves that everything the US Government does is to oppress white men.

Don't give shitty people openings.

[Galloism]

Federal judge says Biden restaurant fund discriminated against white male (The Hill)

Federal judge rules restaurant relief fund discriminated against white man (Jurist)

Yeah, baking discrimination into a relief fund is pretty shitty (albeit ballsy) regardless of motive.

Tbh this kind of stuff is baked in all the time.

Accountants and tax professionals have been advising married clients for years to make their wives 51% owner of the business so you can qualify for all kinds of things that you can't get if the business his headed from a white, asian, or jewish man. The program discrimination is so common and known it's literally baked into our advice from the moment someone says "I'm thinking about forming a corporation".

[Esalia]

Federal judge says Biden restaurant fund discriminated against white male (The Hill)

Federal judge rules restaurant relief fund discriminated against white man (Jurist)

And now Miller is never going to shut the fuck up about how this proves that everything the US Government does is to oppress white men.

There was an incredibly easy way to avoid that.

[Govarkon]

Hey sorry for butting my head in, but as a dude I love seeing feminists that want everyone to be equal and not have woman be above men. Thanks

[New haven america]

Basically, since dating is harder for guys, guys that can get gals have it made, while gals that get with multiple guys aren't worth it.

That... what? That doesn’t even make internal sense.

Accepting the premise for the sake of argument, wouldn’t it be a good thing if you happen to provide a service in low supply and high demand and you decide to supply more of it?

When the demand for toilet paper spiked last year, we didn’t say that people who could and did get their hands on lots of it “[had] it made”, we called them a menace on society.

If we accept the frankly sexist premise that physical affection is a scarce resource that women provide for the benefit of men, shouldn’t women who sleep around be lauded, not condemned?

Again, to them, no.

To them women who sleep with a bunch of guys are A. "Used Good" who probably have some psychological damage, or B. Are hypergamous harpies who just want to financially bleed dry someone (The "Beta Male" that they keep screaming about) before moving on to someone else.

In reality, they don't go for them because the Incel is less likely to be able to control/abuse them into submission. A young, virgin woman has a greater likelihood of having been brought up in a conservative or even abusive family, which means it'd be easier to manipulate them into becoming their live in maids that they have sex with. (Keep in mind this isn't saying All young virginal women, this is just how most of them see the world and women)

Basically, the thought process of most incels is that they want a GF/Wife who will give everything to them, while they don't have to give anything in return, and anything or one that works against that goal is the enemy.

[Kowani]

Bipartisan bill would expand federal paid parental leave to military troops

Abipartisan group of lawmakers this week introduced a bill that would extend to military service members the recently implemented paid parental leave program available to federal employees.

On Tuesday, Reps. Jackie Speier (D-CA), Stephanie Bice (R-OK), Carolyn Maloney (D-NY), and David Joyce (R-OH), introduced the Servicemember Parental Leave Equity Act, which would grant members of the armed services 12 weeks per year of paid leave in the event of the birth, adoption or foster placement of a child. The program mirrors a similar benefit provided to civilian federal workers as part of the 2020 National Defense Authorization Act. Sen. Tammy Duckworth, D-Ill., has sponsored similar legislation in the Senate.

Currently, depending on the service branch, new parents have a much smaller amount of paid leave available to them after welcoming a new child to their family. In the case of the U.S. Navy and Marine Corps, so-called “secondary caregivers” only have access to two weeks of paid parental leave.

The bill also would provide an additional scenario when service members can access the leave: in the event of a miscarriage, stillbirth or infant death, and it would allow service members to take leave in multiple increments. Additionally, it would expand the existing policy allowing service members to defer active duty deployment for 12 months following childbirth to include overnight travel, physically demanding training exercises, body composition standards, and the physical fitness test.

“Parental leave for military service members is absurdly out of touch and outdated when compared to federal benefits and options provided by many private, large employers,” Speier said in a statement. “New parents need time to bond with their children after birth, adoption or foster placement; service members are no exception.”

Bice said in a statement that it’s important that there be a parity in benefits between the civilian federal workforce and the military service branches.

“Our service members and their families have earned this modernization of military parental leave policies and with this change, their benefits would be in line with federal employees, who were also granted 12 weeks of parental leave in the fiscal 2020 NDAA,” Bice said. “Allowing military families the time to experience those first critical months as a new family is incredibly important, and the flexibility for the secondary caregiver to take their leave in more than one increment is especially helpful to service members who may be deployed.”

[The Rich Port]

Hey sorry for butting my head in, but as a dude I love seeing feminists that want everyone to be equal and not have woman be above men. Thanks

Which yeah, I guess it proves how uneducated people are that they understand what the word "egalitarianism" means as a primary concept of feminism is.

When the fuck has feminism ever been about female supremacy except for fringe radfems, and even then, traditional radfems believe in female separatism, not matriarchal supremacy.

Literally it's why "straw feminism" is a trope.

[Galloism]

Hey sorry for butting my head in, but as a dude I love seeing feminists that want everyone to be equal and not have woman be above men. Thanks

Which yeah, I guess it proves how uneducated people are that they understand what the word "egalitarianism" means as a primary concept of feminism is.

When the fuck has feminism ever been about female supremacy except for fringe radfems, and even then, traditional radfems believe in female separatism, not matriarchal supremacy.

Literally it's why "straw feminism" is a trope.

Given I've provided evidence of feminist academics and political types trying to protect female rapists and domestic abusers and empower them to abuse men with no recourse for the last 40 years...

I guess for quite some time now?

[Albrenia]

I mean, yeah. There's women who call themselves Feminists who also seem to think men are inherently evil and women inherently superior intellectually and morally. They're arseholes, just like their counterparts on the other side of the sexism aisle.

I don't believe that they represent all or most women working on women's rights issues though. Although there are times where even the good intentioned folks fall prey to supporting sexism which favours them - it's something we all have to keep our eyes open for I guess to avoid.

[Galloism]

I mean, yeah. There's women who call themselves Feminists who also seem to think men are inherently evil and women inherently superior intellectually and morally. They're arseholes, just like their counterparts on the other side of the sexism aisle.

I don't believe that they represent all or most women working on women's rights issues though. Although there are times where even the good intentioned folks fall prey to supporting sexism which favours them - it's something we all have to keep our eyes open for I guess to avoid.

I mean, let's keep in mind the foremost feminist researcher on rape in the world suggested that a man raped by a woman only suffered "unwanted contact", not rape or sexual assault or assault or anything.

You know, like being bumped on a train.

To say that the foremost feminist researcher on rape "fell prey to supporting sexism which favors her", by classifying rape victims as basically suffering no harm on the basis of their sex, is to deny her agency for her horrible horrible effects on society.

[The Rich Port]

I mean, yeah. There's women who call themselves Feminists who also seem to think men are inherently evil and women inherently superior intellectually and morally. They're arseholes, just like their counterparts on the other side of the sexism aisle.

I don't believe that they represent all or most women working on women's rights issues though. Although there are times where even the good intentioned folks fall prey to supporting sexism which favours them - it's something we all have to keep our eyes open for I guess to avoid.

I mean, let's keep in mind the foremost feminist researcher on rape in the world suggested that a man raped by a woman only suffered "unwanted contact", not rape or sexual assault or assault or anything.

You know, like being bumped on a train.

To say that the foremost feminist researcher on rape "fell prey to supporting sexism which favors her", by classifying rape victims as basically suffering no harm on the basis of their sex, is to deny her agency for her horrible horrible effects on society.

But also denying and dismissing the rest of feminist discourse which is not that.

[Galloism]

I mean, let's keep in mind the foremost feminist researcher on rape in the world suggested that a man raped by a woman only suffered "unwanted contact", not rape or sexual assault or assault or anything.

You know, like being bumped on a train.

To say that the foremost feminist researcher on rape "fell prey to supporting sexism which favors her", by classifying rape victims as basically suffering no harm on the basis of their sex, is to deny her agency for her horrible horrible effects on society.

But also denying and dismissing the rest of feminist discourse which is not that.

Honestly, a lot of the feminist discourse surrounding rape of men or domestic violence against men is EXTREMELY problematic.

Like threaten activists problematic, and block laws from passing that would make rape of men illegal or the same kind of illegal of problematic.