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Postby Stellar Colonies » Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:12 am

Zimbabwean women raping men for rituals: British report (Hindustan Times)

Women Charged With Raping Men to Get Sperm for Rituals (ABC News)

Zimbabwe women accused of raping men 'for rituals' (BBC News)

Women accused of raping men in Zimbabwe for use in rituals (Dispatch)

Zimbabwe's "female rapists," accused of semen harvesting, strike again (PRI)
Three people arrested for it here...

Zimbabwe: 'Female rapists' semen-harvesting case dropped (PRI)
...and those same three found innocent here (not the ones who did it).

Zimbabwean law doesn't recognize the act of a woman raping a man.

How unusual.

So I was not able to find additional newsworthy sources regarding this (Daily Mail apparently did, although I'm not touching them with a ten foot pole), any information regarding this which is more recent than 2012 which refuted the information in these articles, or any information as to the current situation regarding this in Zimbabwe or other African countries...but it is rather disturbing if accurate.

So,

I was not able to find any information on this which is more recent than 2012, which either indicates the media lost interest in it or it has stopped since then, but I have also not been able to find any information which refutes what was apparently occurring in Zimbabwe back then and possibly more recently, although again I don't have enough information to say anything about this happening more recently.

Either way, rather disturbing to say the least.
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Postby New haven america » Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:35 pm

It confuses me that there exists actual individuals who base their entirely personality on colored pills.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:41 am

New haven america wrote:It confuses me that there exists actual individuals who base their entirely personality on colored pills.


Wait what?
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:45 am

New haven america wrote:It confuses me that there exists actual individuals who base their entirely personality on colored pills.


unbased and beigepilled
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Postby Forsher » Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:21 am

Stellar Colonies wrote:
Kowani wrote:Katie Hill has now lost another Revenge Porn case with a different publication

A judge today ruled that RedState - a partisan blog in the business of attacking Democrats, NOT reporting the news - was exercising their first amendment right by posting nude photos of me in a political takedown. The ruling virtually nullifies CA cyber exploitation laws and is too dangerous to let stand. There is no reasonable “public interest” in publishing revenge porn, no matter who the victim is. Unless we appeal, any woman who may ever be in the public eye is at risk. t’s not going to be easy. This is uncharted legal territory, and this fight is necessary to protect women from revenge porn, once and for all.

This is rather concerning, and I'm rather shocked that this sort of thing isn't being ruled as some form of harassment or something.

Anyone who is exposed to this kind of violation can very easily have his/her life and public image irreparably ruined.


As ever people are confusing "interesting to the public" with "in the public interest". Of course, unless we're dealing with actual crimes (or behaviour that at the very least looks criminal, e.g. Matt Gaetz) this is all sex scandals to start with. That being said, this is a horrific outcome of spurious reasoning.

Hill may have more luck with DMCA takedowns... they're surprisingly versatile in many respects... but I have absolutely 0 understanding of the specifics of her case.
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Postby Kowani » Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:13 pm

The Indian State of Odisha directs district administrations to hand over unutilized government properties such as government buildings, shops, ponds to women self-help groups

The Odisha state government on Thursday, April 8, directed the district administrations to hand over unutilized government properties such as government buildings, shops, ponds to women self-help groups (SHG) for their use. Chief Minister of Odisha Naveen Patnaik announced, "All such unused government property in the block, panchayat and district levels should be handed over to the local Mission Shakti SHGs within two months. Once these assets are under the control of women SHGs, these groups will manage the unused property for the betterment of the locals and society." Pratap Deb, a BJD (Biju Janta Dal) spokesman, commented that this move to give more work to the SHGs would definitely add to their confidence and provide more money in their hands. He opined it is a concrete step towards women empowerment.

A year after Patnaik became the CM of Odisha, he started the Mission Shakti programme and began the formation of these SHGs. The self-help groups were started with the objective to organize women into groups for holistic empowerment and targeted livelihood activities. At present, there are over 6 lakh SHGs in Odisha under Mission Shakti with 70 lakh members, reported The Hindustan Times. The SHGs take loans from banks and provide small non-agricultural loans to their members at a high-interest rate, make packaged ready-to-eat fortified food for children in Anganwadi centres and look after the mid-day meal schemes of state's schools.

Apart from providing small loans, these SHGs are also engaged in a variety of works, including the collection of power tariff from consumers. In May 2019, the state government approved the provisioning of services and goods for various government departments through Mission Shakti, which would provide direct business worth ₹1,000 crores to the SHGs every year. During the COVID-19 lockdown, when dry ration and vegetable shops were shut in rural Odisha, the SHGs distributed more than 9 million cooked meals through the free kitchen centres managed by them in Odisha's gram panchayats.
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Postby New haven america » Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:35 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
New haven america wrote:It confuses me that there exists actual individuals who base their entirely personality on colored pills.


unbased and beigepilled

Beigepilled and proud!
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Postby Fahran » Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:09 pm

New haven america wrote:Beigepilled and proud!

Beigepilled means national syndicalist.
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Postby New haven america » Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:03 pm

Fahran wrote:
New haven america wrote:Beigepilled and proud!

Beigepilled means national syndicalist.

and yellowpilled means sunshine and rainbows
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Postby Galloism » Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:06 pm

Forsher wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:

This is rather concerning, and I'm rather shocked that this sort of thing isn't being ruled as some form of harassment or something.

Anyone who is exposed to this kind of violation can very easily have his/her life and public image irreparably ruined.


As ever people are confusing "interesting to the public" with "in the public interest". Of course, unless we're dealing with actual crimes (or behaviour that at the very least looks criminal, e.g. Matt Gaetz) this is all sex scandals to start with. That being said, this is a horrific outcome of spurious reasoning.

Hill may have more luck with DMCA takedowns... they're surprisingly versatile in many respects... but I have absolutely 0 understanding of the specifics of her case.

I’ll be honest I don’t remember all the particulars, but I think the pictures were because she had a nazi tattoo in her no no place, and there were photos of her nude with the congressional staffer who accused her and her husband of sexual harassment and pressuring her into a three way sexual relationship.
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Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Apr 28, 2021 4:49 pm

Biden to propose paid family leave, childcare, and universal pre-K


President Joe Biden will propose a sweeping $1.8 trillion plan Wednesday for national paid family leave, universal pre-kindergarten, free community college and subsidized child care in what would be a dramatic federal expansion of the social safety net for families and children.
Biden is set to formally introduce his American Families Plan at his first address before a joint session of Congress Wednesday night. It's the second piece of his "Build Back Better" economic agenda following the release of a $2.3 trillion infrastructure and jobs plan released last month.

Billed as "generational investments in our future" to out-compete China and transform the U.S. economy, the families plan includes $1 trillion in spending over the next 10 years, according to senior administration officials who agreed to discuss the specifics on the condition of anonymity. An additional $800 billion would cover targeted tax credits for the middle class. The proposal to Congress would be paid for in part through a crackdown on tax loopholes used by high-income tax-filers. Biden also wants to nearly double the capital gains tax from a 20% rate to 39.6% for households making more than $1 million, among other tax increases.

$225 billion each for national paid leave and child care programs
The plan – certain to be sharply criticized by Republicans who already oppose his jobs plan – includes $225 billion for a national paid family and medical leave program. It would offer workers partial employment assistance for three months to be with a new child, rehabilitate from an illness, care for a disabled loved one, deal with a partner's military deployment or address emergencies.

Up to $4,000 per month would be available in paid leave for individuals who participate, with a minimum of two-thirds of average weekly wages and increasing to 80% for the lowest wage workers. An additional $225 billion would go toward covering child care costs for low income and middle class parents with children five or younger. It comes as more women left the workforce last year to care for young children during the coronavirus pandemic. A study cited by the White House found $57 billion in lost earnings and productivity because of a lack of child care options.

The program would pay for all child care costs of the neediest families. Those who earn 1.5 times their state median income would pay no more than 7% of their income on child care.

The plan would also set a $15 minimum wage for child care staff – nine out of 10 whom are women and four out of 10 whom are women of color.

Pre-K for all regardless of family income
Biden is proposing $200 billion to make free prekindergarten available to all three- and four-year-olds regardless of their families' incomes. This would be made primarily through "partnerships" with states, but the federal government would seek to work directly with preschools in states that don't participate.

The national pre-K expansion would benefit 5 million children and save the average family $13,000, according to the White House. [...]The plan would extend the enhanced child tax credits that were passed in Biden's $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan through 2025 – falling short of demands of many progressive Democrats to make the credits permanent. The plan would also make permanent American Rescue Plan tax credits for families with child care needs and workers who don't have children.



there's more, but i tried to cut it to the things that were actually relevant to this thread
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:17 am

Stellar Colonies wrote:Zimbabwean women raping men for rituals: British report (Hindustan Times)

Women Charged With Raping Men to Get Sperm for Rituals (ABC News)

Zimbabwe women accused of raping men 'for rituals' (BBC News)

Women accused of raping men in Zimbabwe for use in rituals (Dispatch)

Zimbabwe's "female rapists," accused of semen harvesting, strike again (PRI)
Three people arrested for it here...

Zimbabwe: 'Female rapists' semen-harvesting case dropped (PRI)
...and those same three found innocent here (not the ones who did it).

Zimbabwean law doesn't recognize the act of a woman raping a man.

How unusual.

So I was not able to find additional newsworthy sources regarding this (Daily Mail apparently did, although I'm not touching them with a ten foot pole), any information regarding this which is more recent than 2012 which refuted the information in these articles, or any information as to the current situation regarding this in Zimbabwe or other African countries...but it is rather disturbing if accurate.

So,

I was not able to find any information on this which is more recent than 2012, which either indicates the media lost interest in it or it has stopped since then, but I have also not been able to find any information which refutes what was apparently occurring in Zimbabwe back then and possibly more recently, although again I don't have enough information to say anything about this happening more recently.

Either way, rather disturbing to say the least.


... Needless to say I was kinda flabbergasted when I read about this. I would not be surprised if this was somehow made up for publicity or exaggerated. Even if it wasn't, my condolences to the men and to the women if they were indeed innocent.

Many African countries are, sadly, very conservative and traditional, both from an Evangelical Christian perspective and from a Muslim perspective.

My guess is, Zimbabwe doesn't have any law against women raping men because it's a matriarchal society. East Africa has been a heavily Christian and patriarchal area for centuries now.

It's tragic how patriarchy and hierarchy treads on both men and women, and yet men still proliferate it regardless in the misguided belief that any gender or sex being "dominant" is just fuel for oppression for both sides.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Apr 30, 2021 5:08 pm

Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Apr 30, 2021 5:10 pm



Why such an arbitrary number on the fine? That is bizarre to see in law.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Apr 30, 2021 5:13 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:


Why such an arbitrary number on the fine? That is bizarre to see in law.

Other outlets are reporting it as a straight 90,000, soooooooo...
i'll see if i can find the text of the bill itself
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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Postby Galloism » Fri Apr 30, 2021 5:14 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:


Why such an arbitrary number on the fine? That is bizarre to see in law.

Doesn’t correlate to a round USD number (4,427.24), so no idea.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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Postby Fahran » Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:54 pm

"Then it was as if all the beauty of Ardha, devastating in its color and form and movement, recalled to him, more and more, the First Music, though reflected dimly. Thus Alnair wept bitterly, lamenting the notes which had begun to fade from his memory. He, who had composed the world's first poem upon spying a gazelle and who had played the world's first song upon encountering a dove perched upon a moringa, in beauty, now found only suffering and longing. Such it must be for all among the djinn, souls of flame and ash slowly dwindling to cinders in the elder days of the world."

- Song of the Fallen Star

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sat May 01, 2021 12:18 am



I spent a few minutes calculating in what bass it is a nice number.

There's not really one (well, base 89620, but that is just ridiculous)
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Postby Kowani » Sun May 02, 2021 3:22 pm

Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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Postby Galloism » Sun May 02, 2021 3:41 pm


You can't co-opt things you invented.

[tinfoil hat mode intensifies]
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Saiwania » Sun May 02, 2021 3:51 pm



Its a bad law that will hardly be enforced and isn't practical. The real solution is for people to make sure the person they're with can't double cross them and if they do, to not give into blackmail (if they don't want to) and to just ignore the damage or brush it off.
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Postby Galloism » Sun May 02, 2021 3:52 pm

Saiwania wrote:


Its a bad law that will hardly be enforced and isn't practical. The real solution is for people to make sure the person they're with can't double cross them and if they do, to not give into blackmail (if they don't want to) and to just ignore the damage or brush it off.

Do you just think about what could be the worst possible take on any subject and then post it?
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Saiwania » Sun May 02, 2021 3:56 pm

Galloism wrote:Do you just think about what could be the worst possible take on any subject and then post it?


It's my genuine belief. If Mexico's prisons get to capacity to too much of an extent from more bad behaviors being criminalized, police will just be more keen to not enforce that specific law at all, to give priority to other criminals that're more lucrative to punish if not those that're a bigger problem. Too many people don't make the best decisions or are jerks on occasion.
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Postby Galloism » Sun May 02, 2021 4:17 pm

I'll also point out "you are worth it" is a play on L'Oréal's "because you're worth it", which they use to tell women they're better because they're women, and deserve to buy shampoo at five times the going price for shampoo.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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