The NationStates Feminism Thread IV: Fight Like A Girl!

[Sundiata]

Vatican City is bound together, not by ethnic identity, but rather by religious identity as well as fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms. 100% immigrant.

I understand the point you're making but Vatican City is not ruthlessly efficient. In my opinion, Pope Francis takes a very gentle approach to theology and church politics. Also, not enough money is being apportioned to Opus Dei. Anyway, Vatican City is technically a nation of immigrants but it's not designed towards the same ends as most states.

Our cardinals live very well though.

[Sundiata]

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But we're not really talking about gendered issues or feminism anymore...

Well, it's possible to have a society that embraces feminist norms which also has a high fertility rate but that's a problem with contraceptive measures rather than women's civic participation or immigration.

[Kowani]

. But as for any thoughts of mass immigration to Japan, I'll tell Japan: "No, no immigration for One notable exception is Luxembourg, where the majority of the population is immigrant. That said, the majority is still Luxembourgish, but there is a surprisingly large Portuguese Diaspora. For literally no reason that I can uncover.

3 reasons: A collapsing economy in the Portuguese colonies coinciding with the Estado Novo cracking down on opposition student associations/unions, and then Luxembourg passing a family reunification law later on

[Fahran]

I understand the point you're making but Vatican City is not ruthlessly efficient. In my opinion, Pope Francis takes a very gentle approach to theology and church politics. Also, not enough money is being apportioned to Opus Dei. Anyway, Vatican City is technically a nation of immigrants but it's not designed towards the same ends as most states.

Our cardinals live very well though.

It's a Monty Python reference. And I'm aware of the rest, except the tidbit about Vatican apportionments and budgeting.

[Sundiata]

I understand the point you're making but Vatican City is not ruthlessly efficient. In my opinion, Pope Francis takes a very gentle approach to theology and church politics. Also, not enough money is being apportioned to Opus Dei. Anyway, Vatican City is technically a nation of immigrants but it's not designed towards the same ends as most states.

Our cardinals live very well though.

It's a Monty Python reference. And I'm aware of the rest, except the tidbit about Vatican apportionments and budgeting.

Forgive me, but I don't watch Monty Python. Which reference?

[Saiwania]

https://observer.com/2015/10/guys-heres ... e-a-woman/

How much of this article would people here say is true? It is trying to explain why so many men "strike out" with women during courtship/dating. It is supposedly because the perspectives are inherently different between the sexes. Whilst the gender roles that exist nicely align with preexisting culture/tradition, it doesn't seem to actually do much for anyone anymore because most people seem to now need to do both masculine and feminine stuff all the time.

[Fahran]

Forgive me, but I don't watch Monty Python. Which reference?

It's about the Spanish Inquisition. And, yes, I know they were distinct from the Roman Inquisition. I mostly just wanted an excuse to drop the reference. Plus cardinals do still wear spiffy red uniforms, right?

[Sundiata]

Forgive me, but I don't watch Monty Python. Which reference?

It's about the Spanish Inquisition. And, yes, I know they were distinct from the Roman Inquisition. I mostly just wanted an excuse to drop the reference. Plus cardinals do still wear spiffy red uniforms, right?

Yes, but there are much better dressers in the church.

[Kowani]

https://observer.com/2015/10/guys-heres-what-its-actually-like-to-be-a-woman/

How much of this article would people here say is true? It is trying to explain why so many men "strike out" with women during courtship/dating. It is supposedly because the perspectives are inherently different between the sexes. Whilst the gender roles that exist nicely align with preexisting culture/tradition, it doesn't seem to actually do much for anyone anymore because most people seem to now need to do both masculine and feminine stuff all the time.

step one: stop reading books trying to tell you how an entire gender feels
you're being marketed to and taken advantage of

[Istoreya]

https://observer.com/2015/10/guys-heres-what-its-actually-like-to-be-a-woman/

How much of this article would people here say is true? It is trying to explain why so many men "strike out" with women during courtship/dating. It is supposedly because the perspectives are inherently different between the sexes. Whilst the gender roles that exist nicely align with preexisting culture/tradition, it doesn't seem to actually do much for anyone anymore because most people seem to now need to do both masculine and feminine stuff all the time.

Going through this comparing to my personal experiences: Yeah, I'd say a lot of that is true. I'd say the only real inaccurate bit is the line about women being more scared of being assaulted by a man she knows well.

If I think for a second you might have the intent to hurt me, there's 0 chance of you getting close enough that I will "know you well."

[Des-Bal]

https://observer.com/2015/10/guys-heres-what-its-actually-like-to-be-a-woman/

How much of this article would people here say is true? It is trying to explain why so many men "strike out" with women during courtship/dating. It is supposedly because the perspectives are inherently different between the sexes. Whilst the gender roles that exist nicely align with preexisting culture/tradition, it doesn't seem to actually do much for anyone anymore because most people seem to now need to do both masculine and feminine stuff all the time.

If there are outright inaccuracies I didn't notice them. I generally object to romantic advice that looks at romance the way one might look at hunting or animal wrangling but this doesn't especially look like that and the core premise of "look at things from the other party's perspective" is good.

[Des-Bal]

step one: stop reading books trying to tell you how an entire gender feels
you're being marketed to and taken advantage of

Do you need to understand how an entire gender feels or how any significant segment of it does? Whether it's good or gross romantic advice doesn't need to work on all women or even most women. Few people aspire to have sex or form relationships with all or most women.

[Saiwania]

step one: stop reading books trying to tell you how an entire gender feels
you're being marketed to and taken advantage of

I don't care about not being alone. Its much less for me to think about if I don't do stuff I don't enjoy just to fit in. But it explained that yes- for people who put themselves out there, they have their reasons for what they do. It exposes them to risk depending on what happens. I don't like to take a chance on anything. Am always future thinking about different outcomes and playing for the safest and most stable decision, versus something that might backfire.

It is lower risk in online spaces because what I say don't really come back to me in person if I'm careful enough in the same way it might if giving an actual speech.

[Kowani]

step one: stop reading books trying to tell you how an entire gender feels
you're being marketed to and taken advantage of

Do you need to understand how an entire gender feels or how any significant segment of it does? Whether it's good or gross romantic advice doesn't need to work on all women or even most women. Few people aspire to have sex or form relationships with all or most women.

well, sure
and the basic premise of "look at it from their perspective" isn't a bad one in this particular piece
my point was more an overarching one about how this kind of literature often devolves into psuedoscience and toxicity, aiming at a certain demographic of people that can be extremely profitable

[Des-Bal]

I don't care about not being alone. Its much less for me to think about if I don't do stuff I don't enjoy just to fit in. But it explained that yes- for people who put themselves out there, they have their reasons for what they do. It exposes them to risk depending on what happens. I don't like to take a chance on anything. Am always future thinking about different outcomes and playing for the safest and most stable decision, versus something that might backfire.

It is lower risk in online spaces because what I say don't really come back to me in person if I'm careful enough in the same way it might if giving an actual speech.

As I recall you are alone and believe you will die in poverty unless some wealthy person dies first and leaves you money. Knowing when to hold them is a valuable asset but if you're not going to take any risks you're not actually in the game.

[Saiwania]

As I recall you are alone and believe you will die in poverty unless some wealthy person dies first and leaves you money. Knowing when to hold them is a valuable asset but if you're not going to take any risks you're not actually in the game.

Yes, the challenge sort of is to find ways to earn income, without requiring too much help if you just can't handle dealing with other people. More often than not, you do need some help. Which is why businesses hire people. Because they can do needed work the people in charge can't do on their own in facilitating a business' growth or financial well being.

If you're not it, its tough. It probably not impossible to change, but if I can't I can't. I say let fate play out however it will.

[Des-Bal]

well, sure
and the basic premise of "look at it from their perspective" isn't a bad one in this particular piece
my point was more an overarching one about how this kind of literature often devolves into psuedoscience and toxicity, aiming at a certain demographic of people that can be extremely profitable

Absolutely. For me the people who peddle this shit beat out alternative medicine practitioners on the list of people who deserve to have their teeth loosened but this one doesn't seem that bad.

I'd say the only real inaccurate bit is the line about women being more scared of being assaulted by a man she knows well.

If I think for a second you might have the intent to hurt me, there's 0 chance of you getting close enough that I will "know you well."

That take was so stupid I'm surprised it survived the editing process. I mean logically there would be a cycle of women's closest male contact being the last person they met because the better they know them the more dangerous they are and the more they should be avoided. If someone said "You're more likely to die in the shower than being attacked by a lion, therefore people shower in mortal terror and let lions raise their children" they would have caught it but the weird position of writing romance advice lets you turn that part of your brain off I guess.

[Des-Bal]

Yes, the challenge sort of is to find ways to earn income, without requiring too much help if you just can't handle dealing with other people. More often than not, you do need some help. Which is why businesses hire people. Because they can do needed work the people in charge can't do on their own in facilitating a business' growth or financial well being.

If you're not it, its tough. It probably not impossible to change, but if I can't I can't. I say let fate play out however it will.

Yeah don't do that. Fate is not real. Do something you hate for money to the absolute best of your ability, then volunteer doing something tangentially related to something you like. Make contacts doing the second thing and when someone somewhere is hiring jump at the opportunity.

[Saiwania]

Going through this comparing to my personal experiences: Yeah, I'd say a lot of that is true. I'd say the only real inaccurate bit is the line about women being more scared of being assaulted by a man she knows well.

If I think for a second you might have the intent to hurt me, there's 0 chance of you getting close enough that I will "know you well."

My interpretation was that they're probably referring to other forms of hurt besides just the physical such as emotional hurt. The capacity for different men she knows to disappoint her in some way or do some betrayal for whatever reason that might happen.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

https://observer.com/2015/10/guys-heres-what-its-actually-like-to-be-a-woman/

How much of this article would people here say is true? It is trying to explain why so many men "strike out" with women during courtship/dating. It is supposedly because the perspectives are inherently different between the sexes. Whilst the gender roles that exist nicely align with preexisting culture/tradition, it doesn't seem to actually do much for anyone anymore because most people seem to now need to do both masculine and feminine stuff all the time.

Here is my advice on how to pick up women. Everyone ready?

Step 1. Oh my God go outside

Step 2. That's it, you're done.

You can thank me later yall.

[Istoreya]

Going through this comparing to my personal experiences: Yeah, I'd say a lot of that is true. I'd say the only real inaccurate bit is the line about women being more scared of being assaulted by a man she knows well.

If I think for a second you might have the intent to hurt me, there's 0 chance of you getting close enough that I will "know you well."

My interpretation was that they're probably referring to other forms of hurt besides just the physical such as emotional hurt. The capacity for different men she knows to disappoint her in some way or do some betrayal for whatever reason that might happen.

Yeah, except the article is specifically referring to sexual assault... So your point entirely falls apart there.

[Albrenia]

https://observer.com/2015/10/guys-heres-what-its-actually-like-to-be-a-woman/

How much of this article would people here say is true? It is trying to explain why so many men "strike out" with women during courtship/dating. It is supposedly because the perspectives are inherently different between the sexes. Whilst the gender roles that exist nicely align with preexisting culture/tradition, it doesn't seem to actually do much for anyone anymore because most people seem to now need to do both masculine and feminine stuff all the time.

Here is my advice on how to pick up women. Everyone ready?

Step 1. Oh my God go outside

Step 2. That's it, you're done.

You can thank me later yall.

Lockdowns in some places and social distancing do tend to get in the way of that sometimes, though.

[New haven america]

https://observer.com/2015/10/guys-heres-what-its-actually-like-to-be-a-woman/

How much of this article would people here say is true? It is trying to explain why so many men "strike out" with women during courtship/dating. It is supposedly because the perspectives are inherently different between the sexes. Whilst the gender roles that exist nicely align with preexisting culture/tradition, it doesn't seem to actually do much for anyone anymore because most people seem to now need to do both masculine and feminine stuff all the time.

Overgeneralizing on both ends and won't get you anywhere.

[Saiwania]

Here is my advice on how to pick up women. Everyone ready?
Step 1. Oh my God go outside
Step 2. That's it, you're done.

You can thank me later yall.

It is a bit lacking in depth or nuance, but if I were to take it literally I'd say: I can't go outside, there is Covid-19 going on- and the indoors are just better for me.

I get it, there is no helping anyone who finds more reasons for why they can't than for why they can go about accomplishing a goal or making something happen. But some people really can't be bothered. I'm not going to complain, but going to conclude there is other stuff not so difficult. If I don't enjoy the challenges out there then I just don't.

Yeah don't do that. Fate is not real. Do something you hate for money to the absolute best of your ability, then volunteer doing something tangentially related to something you like. Make contacts doing the second thing and when someone somewhere is hiring jump at the opportunity.

Fate is more real to me. While plenty of things aren't predetermined sometimes something is. Its shades of gray mainly for real life from my perspective. I don't think there are many solutions for people who just don't enjoy anything or never find something they do well in terms of innate talents/ability. More money by itself could mean I can buy stuff I like, but the tasks required to earn it for me- chances are it will feel more like a burden to get past- asides from taking up vast amounts of time I'd prefer to keep.

Unless someone is lucky enough to actually enjoy their work, yeah- work is real work (not fun/fulfilling) for tons of people.

[The Blaatschapen]

https://observer.com/2015/10/guys-heres-what-its-actually-like-to-be-a-woman/

How much of this article would people here say is true? It is trying to explain why so many men "strike out" with women during courtship/dating. It is supposedly because the perspectives are inherently different between the sexes. Whilst the gender roles that exist nicely align with preexisting culture/tradition, it doesn't seem to actually do much for anyone anymore because most people seem to now need to do both masculine and feminine stuff all the time.

What is masculine stuff?

What is feminine stuff?