The NationStates Feminism Thread IV: Fight Like A Girl!

[The Blaatschapen]

The only time you can open a door enticingly is if you carry the other person while opening the door.

[Sundiata]

Yes?

I didn't expect you to be so forthcoming with so rude an act, so I don't really know what to do with that.

I don't follow?

If I'm walking out of a door I'll hold it while walking forward. At this point, I've already walked past the doorframe whilst holding the door.

If I'm on a date, I'll wait for my date to be in front of me before holding the door. I don't necessarily "shove in front of him."

I wasn't sure what you meant at first. Sorry for the confusion.

[Auzkhia]

Fellas, is it gay to hold a door for another man?

Chivalry discourse is like.

[Sundiata]

Fellas, is it gay to hold a door for another man?

Chivalry discourse is like.

No, there's just a different style of doing so for a man than a woman you're courting.

[Celritannia]

Fellas, is it gay to hold a door for another man?

Chivalry discourse is like.

Nope, it is common curtesy.

[Sundiata]

So to absolutely nobody’s surprise, the religious Catholic is fond of a medieval and sexist code of martial etiquette.

I swear I don’t even have to try here. Religious people do a great job on their own of presenting evidence of how detestable their beliefs are.

Nah his particular gig of neoconservatism and opus dopus isnt even mainstream amongst trad caths.

So to absolutely nobody’s surprise, the religious Catholic is fond of a medieval and sexist code of martial etiquette.

I swear I don’t even have to try here. Religious people do a great job on their own of presenting evidence of how detestable their beliefs are.

You just open the door and let her walk out before you.

That's holding the door in an enticing manner?

That just sounds like regular door-holding to me. That or I've been enticingly holding open doors since the day I was old enough to hold open a door.

Yes?

i hope you also T-Pose to assert dominance

Yes?

So much for those Christian values of charity

I clarified.

[Kowani]

Fellas, is it gay to hold a door for another man?

Chivalry discourse is like.

No, there's just a different style of doing so for a man than a woman you're courting.

…Do you use your dominant hand for one sex and the other hand for another??

[Suriyanakhon]

Fellas, is it gay to hold a door for another man?

Chivalry discourse is like.

No, there's just a different style of doing so for a man than a woman you're courting.

I have held the door open for total strangers and my significant other, and it's been the exact same each time. I'm very confused right now.

[Sundiata]

No, there's just a different style of doing so for a man than a woman you're courting.

…Do you use your dominant hand for one sex and the other hand for another??

No, I just do this.

[Esalia]

Fellas, is it gay to hold a door for another man?

Chivalry discourse is like.

No, there's just a different style of doing so for a man than a woman you're courting.

The particular style you're suggesting as "for courting" is not one I've ever seen used or intended that way. And personally, unless I'm courting every person in my close family and most, if not all of the people I see on a regular basis (both men and women), I don't see it as "for courting".

[Sundiata]

No, there's just a different style of doing so for a man than a woman you're courting.

I have held the door open for total strangers and my significant other, and it's been the exact same each time. I'm very confused right now.

Basically, letting a woman walk in front of you when you open the door for her means that she doesn't have to lift the door at any point in the interaction. That's what a gentleman is supposed to do on a date.

Under separate circumstances, when you interact with a man and open the door for him, you walk past the doorframe while still holding the door. He then recieves the door after you to close it on his own.

You're still holding the door for both people but one gesture is romantic and chivalrous, the other is not.

[Celritannia]

No, there's just a different style of doing so for a man than a woman you're courting.

The particular style you're suggesting as "for courting" is not one I've ever seen used or intended that way. And personally, unless I'm courting every person in my close family and most, if not all of the people I see on a regular basis (both men and women), I don't see it as "for courting".

I'm just as confused. If I am by the door, I'll let someone out before me, or after me, it doesn't really matter.
And if the lady I am courting wishes to hold the door open for me, I think that is fine too.

[Auzkhia]

Fellas, is it gay to hold a door for another man?

Chivalry discourse is like.

No, there's just a different style of doing so for a man than a woman you're courting.

Yeah, but like a man would be wasting his time, and even so who would use that as a flirting opportunity?

I guess it should be like a nicety and nothing more.

[Celritannia]

No, there's just a different style of doing so for a man than a woman you're courting.

Yeah, but like a man would be wasting his time, and even so who would use that as a flirting opportunity?

I guess it should be like a nicety and nothing more.

"Hey girl, do you like my door opening skills? Did I wow you with that whoosh?"

[Auzkhia]

Yeah, but like a man would be wasting his time, and even so who would use that as a flirting opportunity?

I guess it should be like a nicety and nothing more.

"Hey girl, do you like my door opening skills? Did I wow you with that whoosh?"

I'd slam the door in his face if he ever tried hitting on me lol

But like, creeps are gonna creep, even if I were attracted to his gender.

[Suriyanakhon]

Fellas, is it gay to hold a door for another man?

Chivalry discourse is like.

Time to get burnt at the stake because I held the door for another girl.

[Sundiata]

I hope this explanation helped. Basically, on a date you're being extra careful that the door doesn't hit the woman you're with. It's a small gesture.

[Kowani]

I have held the door open for total strangers and my significant other, and it's been the exact same each time. I'm very confused right now.

Basically, letting a woman walk in front of you when you open the door for her means that she doesn't have to lift the door at any point in the interaction. That's what a gentleman is supposed to do on a date.

Under separate circumstances, when you interact with a man and open the door for him, you walk past the doorframe while still holding the door. He then recieves the door after you to close it on his own.

You're still holding the door for both people but one gesture is romantic and chivalrous, the other is not.

I’ve never met a single person who, after holding the door for me, makes me take it to close it

[Sundiata]

No, there's just a different style of doing so for a man than a woman you're courting.

Yeah, but like a man would be wasting his time, and even so who would use that as a flirting opportunity?

I guess it should be like a nicety and nothing more.

Sorry? This assumes you're already on a date. It's rude to hit on strangers.

[Sundiata]

Basically, letting a woman walk in front of you when you open the door for her means that she doesn't have to lift the door at any point in the interaction. That's what a gentleman is supposed to do on a date.

Under separate circumstances, when you interact with a man and open the door for him, you walk past the doorframe while still holding the door. He then recieves the door after you to close it on his own.

You're still holding the door for both people but one gesture is romantic and chivalrous, the other is not.

I’ve never met a single person who, after holding the door for me, makes me take it to close it

You're not completely holding the door through the entire interaction. You let it go when the other person receives it.

[Auzkhia]

Yeah, but like a man would be wasting his time, and even so who would use that as a flirting opportunity?

I guess it should be like a nicety and nothing more.

Sorry? This assumes you're already on a date. It's rude to hit on strangers.

I didn't see that context. I assumed it was because one user said that he'd take it as hitting on you if someone held the door for him. But like, I probably missed something.

Ah well.

[Esalia]

The particular style you're suggesting as "for courting" is not one I've ever seen used or intended that way. And personally, unless I'm courting every person in my close family and most, if not all of the people I see on a regular basis (both men and women), I don't see it as "for courting".

I'm just as confused. If I am by the door, I'll let someone out before me, or after me, it doesn't really matter.
And if the lady I am courting wishes to hold the door open for me, I think that is fine too.

To me, the only difference is the convenience. At least for me, it's less of an interruption if I hold the door open whilst passing through if I'm part of a queue or going through the door after other people holding the door open like that and there's people behind me. Otherwise, I'm holding the door open, letting everyone through, and then going through myself.

Which is why I'm confused by the suggestion that it's a romantic gesture. I thought it was something that everyone does for everyone. People who I'm not romantically interested in (and who I'm sure aren't romantically interested in me, e.g straight men, family members, etc.) have done it for me, and I've done it for them too.

[Sundiata]

Sorry? This assumes you're already on a date. It's rude to hit on strangers.

I didn't see that context. I assumed it was because one user said that he'd take it as hitting on you if someone held the door for him. But like, I probably missed something.

Ah well.

That's fine!

[Kowani]

I’ve never met a single person who, after holding the door for me, makes me take it to close it

You're not completely holding the door through the entire interaction. You let it go when the other person receives it.

Why the fuck-
Just
Hold the door
It’s not an “interaction”

[Celritannia]

You're not completely holding the door through the entire interaction. You let it go when the other person receives it.

Why the fuck-
Just
Hold the door
It’s not an “interaction”