The NationStates Feminism Thread IV: Fight Like A Girl!

[Sundiata]

It's an honor to even be considered for the military.

Sure, well, sorry, Iam not that patriotic, plus I am Dutch, we do not matter that much.

And I am not qualified, Iam not some muscular, brave rambo lookalike.

Not that patriotic? Well, learn to be. You can't afford to let your country go to pot.

[Auzkhia]

Well, in the example of the Gillette ad, you are to put your hands on strangers and physically stop them if you see them doing something harassing or annoying to a strange woman. That's a pretty stupid minor thing to start a physical confrontation in the street over.

Again, this kind of stupid behavior literally gets people hurt or killed for a pretty minor reason.

And no, you shouldn't be required or pushed to sacrifice your life in service to someone else on the basis of your gender. This is an unconscionable gender role being pushed onto men and only men - and it is literally killing them.

Well, a man can be heroic without breaking the law and physically assaulting strangers. I disagree man, I think that more men and women should be encouraged to risk and sacrifice their lives for the sake of noble causes in legitimate ways. For example, become a firefighter, join the military, join the police force.

Metaphorically speaking, it takes balls, it takes grit to put your life on the line for your country, family, and God. Anybody can talk trash about someone who is attempting great deeds. In the words of Theodore Roosevelt, "credit belongs to the man in the arena whose face is marred by sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs, and comes short again and again." These days, plenty of women too.

There's no success like failure and failure is no success at all.

You know what else takes balls?

An orchiectomy, something that both women and men can do, and of course some non-binary people as well.

Sure, well, sorry, Iam not that patriotic, plus I am Dutch, we do not matter that much.

And I am not qualified, Iam not some muscular, brave rambo lookalike.

Not that patriotic? Well, learn to be. You can't afford to let your country go to pot.

Patriotism is a fiction, and one that I also don't find useful anymore. Aggressive nationalism especially can be very violent, it's like chauvinism but with countries.

[Stellar Colonies]

Sure, well, sorry, Iam not that patriotic, plus I am Dutch, we do not matter that much.

And I am not qualified, Iam not some muscular, brave rambo lookalike.

Not that patriotic? Well, learn to be. You can't afford to let your country go to pot.

You like nationalism?

[Sundiata]

Well, a man can be heroic without breaking the law and physically assaulting strangers. I disagree man, I think that more men and women should be encouraged to risk and sacrifice their lives for the sake of noble causes in legitimate ways. For example, become a firefighter, join the military, join the police force.

Metaphorically speaking, it takes balls, it takes grit to put your life on the line for your country, family, and God. Anybody can talk trash about someone who is attempting great deeds. In the words of Theodore Roosevelt, "credit belongs to the man in the arena whose face is marred by sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs, and comes short again and again." These days, plenty of women too.

There's no success like failure and failure is no success at all.

You know what else takes balls?

An orchiectomy, something that both women and men can do, and of course some non-binary people as well.

You're damn right it does. Testicular cancer is no joke.

[Auzkhia]

You know what else takes balls?

An orchiectomy, something that both women and men can do, and of course some non-binary people as well.

You're damn right it does. Testicular cancer is no joke.

Or gender dysphoria or being ill-tempered and literally bullheaded.

[Rosmana]

Sure, well, sorry, Iam not that patriotic, plus I am Dutch, we do not matter that much.

And I am not qualified, Iam not some muscular, brave rambo lookalike.

Not that patriotic? Well, learn to be. You can't afford to let your country go to pot.

Why?, my country is doing just fine thank you very much, and patriotic about what?, some ''king'' that looks like a used car salesman from a family that opressed and killed thousands of Catholics and other innocents?, no thanks.

[Sundiata]

Patriotism is a fiction, and one that I also don't find useful anymore. Aggressive nationalism especially can be very violent, it's like chauvinism but with countries.

Not that patriotic? Well, learn to be. You can't afford to let your country go to pot.

You like nationalism?

No.

"Love your own country: it is a Christian virtue to be patriotic. But if patriotism becomes nationalism, which leads you to look at other people, at other countries, with indifference, with scorn, without Christian charity and justice, then it is a sin."
-St. Josemaria Escriva (The Furrow)

[Adamede]

Not really.

Not really?!?

Without the military you'd be in German territory right now licking the boot of some Nazi stooge.

Let me tell you something, if the military puts you in a tutu and makes you dance like a sugarplum fairy, you better say "Yes sir, thank you sir, God bless this country.'

Come on man.

I never said it’s dishonorable to be a part of the military. Many honorable people are in the military. However to join the military is not in and of itself honorable.

I am just glad I am not expected to be in the military anymore.

I may or may not be banned from my country's military lol

Still, conscription is bad because it violates bodily autonomy and is forced servitude.

A guy being submissive to women with the hopes of getting sex.

I thought it was more like "cuck" but then again a lot of online right wingers used like so, especially when OnlyFans became much more popular.

Not really?!?

Without the military you'd be in German territory right now licking the boot of some Nazi stooge.

Let me tell you something, if the military puts you in a tutu and makes you dance like a sugarplum fairy, you better say "Yes sir, thank you sir, God bless this country.'

Come on man.

*stares in underground resistance and communist partisans*

Though yes, the Canadian military did help the Dutch to free themselves.

The effectiveness of the partisans is way overblown.

[Rosmana]

Though yes, the Canadian military did help the Dutch to free themselves.

The effectiveness of the partisans is way overblown.

True that.

[Saiwania]

I am just glad I am not expected to be in the military anymore.

I get that not everyone wants the military life but from my perspective it is ungrateful. Many people like myself don't have an easy "out" in terms of economic prospects. They have to learn a trade/skill that almost always costs lots of money and then actually manage to win over the social connections necessary to land a job relevant to that if not any job if they're less than successful.

The military is an incredibly good deal, especially if it is during peacetime. All you really have to do is conform and exceed any challenges and in the mean time- you at least get a good wage and some prestige. If you put in 20 years or so, you even get a pension which can't be said for most careers now. I'm denied any chance at that given that my eye sight is inferior enough to cause me to fail any physical. There are so many things I can't do or pursue, there is always some reason or another for why a job is too hard for me to get into.

Either someone else is objectively better, I have to spend money I don't have on training myself up in employable skills, or some defect inherent to me bars me from going that path. If you're eligible for military or something else that's almost a given if you want it- why not embrace that opportunity if the alternative were unemployment or continuing your struggle in the outside world?

[Adamede]

Well, a man can be heroic without breaking the law and physically assaulting strangers. I disagree man, I think that more men and women should be encouraged to risk and sacrifice their lives for the sake of noble causes in legitimate ways. For example, become a firefighter, join the military, join the police force.

Metaphorically speaking, it takes balls, it takes grit to put your life on the line for your country, family, and God. Anybody can talk trash about someone who is attempting great deeds. In the words of Theodore Roosevelt, "credit belongs to the man in the arena whose face is marred by sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs, and comes short again and again." These days, plenty of women too.

There's no success like failure and failure is no success at all.

You know what else takes balls?

An orchiectomy, something that both women and men can do, and of course some non-binary people as well.

Not that patriotic? Well, learn to be. You can't afford to let your country go to pot.

Patriotism is a fiction, and one that I also don't find useful anymore. Aggressive nationalism especially can be very violent, it's like chauvinism but with countries.

Patriotism is about as much fiction as every other aspect of politics.

[Rosmana]

I am just glad I am not expected to be in the military anymore.

I get that not everyone wants the military life but from my perspective it is ungrateful. Many people like myself don't have an easy "out" in terms of economic prospects. They have to learn a trade/skill that almost always costs lots of money and then actually manage to win over the social connections necessary to land a job relevant to that if not any job if they're less than successful.

The military is an incredibly good deal, especially if it is during peacetime. All you really have to do is conform and exceed any challenges and in the mean time- you at least get a good wage and some prestige. If you put in 20 years or so, you even get a pension which can't be said for most careers now. I'm denied any chance at that given that my eye sight is inferior enough to cause me to fail any physical. There are so many things I can't do or pursue, there is always some reason or another for why a job is too hard for me to get into.

Either someone else is objectively better, I have to spend money I don't have on training myself up in employable skills, or some defect inherent to me bars me from going that path. If you're eligible for military or something else that's almost a given if you want it- why not embrace that opportunity if the alternative were unemployment or continuing your struggle in the outside world?

That makes more sense if you are from the USA, and the world is not all like the USA, despite of what some think.

[Sundiata]

Not that patriotic? Well, learn to be. You can't afford to let your country go to pot.

Why?, my country is doing just fine thank you very much, and patriotic about what?, some ''king'' that looks like a used car salesman from a family that opressed and killed thousands of Catholics and other innocents?, no thanks.

You can be patriotic by being critical of your king. That said, the King of the Netherlands achieved the rank of Brigadier General in the Navy and evidently isn't parasitic on that basis. Regardless of your perception of the royal family, you've still got a responsibility to your country.

[Rosmana]

Why?, my country is doing just fine thank you very much, and patriotic about what?, some ''king'' that looks like a used car salesman from a family that opressed and killed thousands of Catholics and other innocents?, no thanks.

You can be patriotic by being critical of your king. That said, the King of the Netherlands achieved the rank of Brigadier General in the Navy and evidently isn't parasitic on that basis. Regardless of your perception of the royal family, you've still got a responsibility to your country.

I am not even fit to serve in the military, I have autism, II would just panic.

And he probably got that rank for nothing, I mean he never went to a combat zone, and I would rather serve my community than some ''country'' that means nothing to me, the flag, the anthem, and the national colors are all about the royal house, not the country.

And just because I am a man does not mean I have to be this buff, emotionless fighting machine.

[Capitalist Gulags of Alabama]

ah, that makes sense. sundiata comes to mind...

Well, don't you want to be a hero? You'd be surprised at how great the world can be if you try. You could really become a great husband: provide for your family, have fun with your wife and children, give to causes you believe in. There is so much joy to be found in serving others and if that's not found by a man in the critical stages of his life, I'm scared for him. You serve yourself when you serve others.

With respect to responsibility, I do believe that women are just as responsible as men when it comes to work, marriage, and the rearing of children. However, I just don't think we're living in a good society if we tell people that they can be careless. I can best speak from the perspective of a man. I have first-hand experience of what happens when men, especially men abandon their responsibilities. Men are just as important as women.

you're right. i, as someone who is not a man, would be an excellent husband.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Well, don't you want to be a hero? You'd be surprised at how great the world can be if you try. You could really become a great husband: provide for your family, have fun with your wife and children, give to causes you believe in. There is so much joy to be found in serving others and if that's not found by a man in the critical stages of his life, I'm scared for him. You serve yourself when you serve others.

With respect to responsibility, I do believe that women are just as responsible as men when it comes to work, marriage, and the rearing of children. However, I just don't think we're living in a good society if we tell people that they can be careless. I can best speak from the perspective of a man. I have first-hand experience of what happens when men, especially men abandon their responsibilities. Men are just as important as women.

you're right. i, as someone who is not a man, would be an excellent husband.

Nice puppet, lol.

[Sundiata]

And just because I am a man does not mean I have to be this buff, emotionless fighting machine.

Being buff doesn't hurt. But at the same time, neither does having emotions. There's just a time and place. That said, we can win the fight that is life.

[Adamede]

And just because I am a man does not mean I have to be this buff, emotionless fighting machine.

Being buff doesn't hurt. But at the same time, neither does having emotions. There's just a time and place. That said, we can win the fight that is life.

No you can’t. Time eventually gets us all.

[Sundiata]

Being buff doesn't hurt. But at the same time, neither does having emotions. There's just a time and place. That said, we can win the fight that is life.

No you can’t. Time eventually gets us all.

You're referring to morality?

[Rosmana]

And just because I am a man does not mean I have to be this buff, emotionless fighting machine.

Being buff doesn't hurt. But at the same time, neither does having emotions. There's just a time and place. That said, we can win the fight that is life.

Not everybody is meant to be buff, life is not a Rambo movie, its a stupid stererotype enforced on men.

Not being buff or muscular does not make me less of a man.

[Capitalist Gulags of Alabama]

you're right. i, as someone who is not a man, would be an excellent husband.

Nice puppet, lol.

thanks, it's really fun to bully the populace.

[Saiwania]

That makes more sense if you are from the USA, and the world is not all like the USA, despite of what some think.

Well, it is absolute madness what Finland is doing, in offering free university (even to citizens of other countries). If the tax burden in Finland ever gets too high, there will be a political movement to lower taxes. They might even go through their own Reagan era. It is still expensive to live in Finland and there is the language/culture barrier. If there are finite seats, you presumably need to prove that you're smart or capable enough to benefit from higher education in Finland.

[Capitalist Gulags of Alabama]

Not really.

Not really?!?

Without the military you'd be in German territory right now licking the boot of some Nazi stooge.

Let me tell you something, if the military puts you in a tutu and makes you dance like a sugarplum fairy, you better say "Yes sir, thank you sir, God bless this country.'

Come on man.

the difference here is only a matter of whose boot you're licking. and, perhaps, the flavor.

licking military boots gives you covid-19 though, as well as trench foot and the worst disease, unconditional government compliance. i sneeze just thinking about it.

[Rosmana]

That makes more sense if you are from the USA, and the world is not all like the USA, despite of what some think.

Well, it is absolute madness what Finland is doing, in offering free university (even to citizens of other countries). If the tax burden in Finland ever gets too high, there will be a political movement to lower taxes. They might even go through their own Reagan era. It is still expensive to live in Finland and there is the language/culture barrier. If there are finite seats, you presumably need to prove that you're smart or capable enough to benefit from higher education in Finland.

I prefer our system, where you got a free study bag (Money), and if you do not graduate you have to repay it all.

Its not perfect, but better that THAT.

[Sundiata]

Being buff doesn't hurt. But at the same time, neither does having emotions. There's just a time and place. That said, we can win the fight that is life.

Not everybody is meant to be buff, life is not a Rambo movie, its a stupid stererotype enforced on men.

Not being buff or muscular does not make me less of a man.

It's not a stupid stereotype. You should be physically strong, especially to have a shot at holding your own in a fight. We live in times of relative comfort and peace sure, but that doesn't eliminate the benefits of being in great condition.

When you're doing work around the house you'll have to lift heavy bags and objects. Also, if someone needs your help in an emergency that requires physical strength you'd have a chance at being a great help.

Without a great body, a great mind will not go as far as it should.