Purgatio wrote:As for your BLM/ALM comparison, again I think you misunderstand my argument, as evidenced by the part of your comment about John getting punched more than Sally.
I understand - just like the all lives matter people don't understand statistics (pointing out in the absolute, more white people are killed than black people when it comes to police, disregarding the effect population has on the numbers), many people have problems with that as well when it comes to sexual violence and accepting the statistics that men are raped about as often as women, and mostly by women.
It's not the first time I've had this difficulty.
In the general sense, it's usually less about not understanding statistics, and more about what to do when those statistics contradict your internal biases and beliefs.
In both cases.
We disagree on that, and we could rehash that debate all over again but it'll probably go in the same direction as before. I don't agree that John is getting punched more than Sally. I believe that women are more likely to suffer rape, sexual violence, and intimate partner violence, ceteris paribus, than men, and I believe the CDC and ONS data on the matter supports that conclusion. You have a different interpretation of the prevailing data, and so you believe that men are more likely to suffer all those things than women. Our disagreement lies, therefore, in whether men or women are more likely to suffer all those kinds of violence, which is a fair disagreement that many academics out there have. It doesn't mean that when I hear you talk about the problems men face when reporting sexual and domestic violence, that I reflexively think you are trivialising the problems women face when reporting the same - my disagreement is not about that, but about the prior debate we've already had about whether men or women are more likely to even suffer those kinds of violence in the first place. That's the core issue, really.
No, men are about as likely to suffer rape as women. Women suffer other types of sexual violence slightly more. Men are somewhat more likely to suffer domestic violence than women. Women are somewhat more likely to suffer severe domestic violence than men. At the extreme extreme end (murder), women suffer 2-3x as much as men. At rape they suffer about the same.
I believe that because that's what repeated surveys show when you look at the 1 year numbers - year after year after year. When you keep getting the same results in survey over survey year after year, it's probably reliable. It's basically impossible for one year numbers to always be the same year after year after year but lifetime numbers be disparate, and both be accurate, and we know what happens with memory if they're not rehearsed (or rehearsed with societal bias adding to them).
Basically, if you look at survey after survey after survey, they keep coming out the same way in the 1 year numbers. This tells us what the current crime rate is, which is what (generally) we should be investigating.
And functionally, "punched in the face" wasn't about the actual rate of rape and domestic violence (which is about equal, more or less) - it's about being punched in the face by the justice system. And men DO suffer that more, on every metric. But you have to go with "all lives matter" at me, instead of focusing on the very real problem of men suffering at the hands of the justice system because of their gender.
