The NationStates Feminism Thread IV: Fight Like A Girl!

[Saiwania]

California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) signs into law a bill that will require all public schools and colleges in the state to stock restrooms with free menstrual products

Its a waste of money. California is already a high tax state that lacks affordable housing.
A K-12 girl or college aged woman really can't get menstrual products from her mother or on her own?

[Isles of Eamhna]

A K-12 girl or college aged woman really can't get menstrual products from her mother or on her own?

many cannot, no

[Auzkhia]

A K-12 girl or college aged woman really can't get menstrual products from her mother or on her own?

many cannot, no

Poverty is a thing, one would think.

[Fahran]

California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) signs into law a bill that will require all public schools and colleges in the state to stock restrooms with free menstrual products

Its a waste of money. California is already a high tax state that lacks affordable housing.
A K-12 girl or college aged woman really can't get menstrual products from her mother or on her own?

Inb4 Kowani rants about California's housing prices.

Why do you think menstrual products are a waste of money exactly?

[Kowani]

California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) signs into law a bill that will require all public schools and colleges in the state to stock restrooms with free menstrual products

Its a waste of money. California is already a high tax state that lacks affordable housing.
A K-12 girl or college aged woman really can't get menstrual products from her mother or on her own?

if i had a dollar for every time someone used the housing crisis as a way to dunk on newsom without realizing his role in beginning the most transformative portion in bringing prices down, i could afford a house here

also that's...lots of people can't afford menstrual products

Its a waste of money. California is already a high tax state that lacks affordable housing.
A K-12 girl or college aged woman really can't get menstrual products from her mother or on her own?

Inb4 Kowani rants about California's housing prices.

Why do you think menstrual products are a waste of money exactly?

it would be a justified rant

[Alcala-Cordel]

I remember a similar conversation a few months ago when Saiwania proposed that people use napkins in a McDonald's bathroom when they get their period.

Period poverty is a recognised problem in the UK, as well as many other countries for that matter, so not really a waste at all.

No its not. This is just another crazy concept that people these days make up like Social Justice. When not so long ago, nobody cared about that stuff to try to score political points with different constituencies. Women should pay for it themselves or do without just fine. Do people know that in the time of the native Americans in North America that tree bark was apparently used amongst other things?

https://listverse.com/2017/04/28/top-10 ... h-century/

I'd scoff at paying more tax to fund something people should or can handle themselves. Get some free napkins at McDonalds, public restrooms, wherever. Just don't expect the government to just pay for stuff just to benefit you.

Here it is.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

World record holder freediver Fatma Uruk said on her social media account, "I am subject to psychological violence and discrimination by the federation in my national team camp." Şahin Özen, President of the Turkish Underwater Sports Federation, wanted to reveal the pictures of the national athlete Fatma Uruk while drinking beer. As feminists, we stand by the National Freediver Fatma Uruk and consider every attack against her as an attack on the women of the Republic.

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Don't lots of Turks drink alcohol?

It's okay to drink alcohol, but a misogynistic man wants to make it look bad. The only problem of political Islamists is that secular republic women are free.

[Ostroeuropa]

Its a waste of money. California is already a high tax state that lacks affordable housing.
A K-12 girl or college aged woman really can't get menstrual products from her mother or on her own?

Inb4 Kowani rants about California's housing prices.

Why do you think menstrual products are a waste of money exactly?

Because women are already the recipient of the overwhelming amount of taxpayer money despite being a privileged class in terms of absolute poverty, such as homelessness.

Because parents already spend significantly more money on female children than male children, not merely as a result of more expensive products, but as a result of buying more of them. (Clothing, for example), and the sensible reaction to this getting too expensive isn't state aid, but to confront parents and tell them to stop throwing money at girls as a result of a sustained campaign over several generations by the most self-absorbed women in the western world causing a distortion in their priorities.

Because if parents are too poor to afford menstrual products, and are not in fact just pissing money up the wall to benefit a cult of female narcissism that extends even to them feeling entitled to almost twice the amount of clothing males get, then free menstrual products isn't really going to do much to help. There you go sally, now you can sit there quietly unfocused due to malnourishment without getting blood all over the school seating.

And so on.

It's a cause that has been advanced on the back of pure feminine hostility, psychological and social abuse, and narcissism. "We want a thing, therefore we're entitled to a thing, anybody who doesn't like it hates women. No no, don't bring up anything else that might need money, that's derailing. We can discuss that in due time, but right now, we're demanding we evaluate this entirely in isolation divorced from all societal context, so do you hate women, yes or no" is why it is tiring to share a planet with women, even a dog can learn more than one trick to obtain a treat, but this is apparently too much to expect and this garbage is repeated *constantly*.

It is simply advancing the state of decay where more and more men each year are concluding "Yes. Okay. I hate women. I didn't used to, but you've convinced me that might be a better response to your activities than trying to accomodate you.".

Pick any number of reasons.

Good for women /=/ Good for society. They are often in direct conflict.

California is going to spend 20 million dollars a year on this.

Don't pretend to me you can't think of other ways to spend the money that would be more effective, and don't pretend we can simply always fund those things without someone piping up about the budget. It was advanced because it is iconically a female problem, not because women would benefit from that money being spent there specifically more than they would on another issue. Pure female narcissism. Not about helping women, but about the message it sends.

Viewed that way, it's quite transparently a massive waste of money. 20 million dollars down the hole just to validate an inane view of women.

[Kowani]

Because if parents are too poor to afford menstrual products, and are not in fact just pissing money up the wall to benefit a cult of female narcissism that extends even to them feeling entitled to almost twice the amount of clothing males get, then free menstrual products isn't really going to do much to help. There you go sally, now you can sit there quietly unfocused due to malnourishment without getting blood all over the school seating.
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That’s what our massive free lunch program is for

[Vassenor]

Inb4 Kowani rants about California's housing prices.

Why do you think menstrual products are a waste of money exactly?

Because women are already the recipient of the overwhelming amount of taxpayer money despite being a privileged class in terms of absolute poverty, such as homelessness.

Because parents already spend significantly more money on female children than male children, not merely as a result of more expensive products, but as a result of buying more of them. (Clothing, for example), and the sensible reaction to this getting too expensive isn't state aid, but to confront parents and tell them to stop throwing money at girls as a result of a sustained campaign over several generations by the most self-absorbed women in the western world causing a distortion in their priorities.

Because if parents are too poor to afford menstrual products, and are not in fact just pissing money up the wall to benefit a cult of female narcissism that extends even to them feeling entitled to almost twice the amount of clothing males get, then free menstrual products isn't really going to do much to help. There you go sally, now you can sit there quietly unfocused due to malnourishment without getting blood all over the school seating.

And so on.

It's a cause that has been advanced on the back of pure feminine hostility, psychological and social abuse, and narcissism. "We want a thing, therefore we're entitled to a thing, anybody who doesn't like it hates women. No no, don't bring up anything else that might need money, that's derailing. We can discuss that in due time, but right now, we're demanding we evaluate this entirely in isolation divorced from all societal context, so do you hate women, yes or no" is why it is tiring to share a planet with women, even a dog can learn more than one trick to obtain a treat, but this is apparently too much to expect and this garbage is repeated *constantly*.

It is simply advancing the state of decay where more and more men each year are concluding "Yes. Okay. I hate women. I didn't used to, but you've convinced me that might be a better response to your activities than trying to accomodate you.".

Pick any number of reasons.

Good for women /=/ Good for society. They are often in direct conflict.

California is going to spend 20 million dollars a year on this.

Don't pretend to me you can't think of other ways to spend the money that would be more effective, and don't pretend we can simply always fund those things without someone piping up about the budget. It was advanced because it is iconically a female problem, not because women would benefit from that money being spent there specifically more than they would on another issue. Pure female narcissism. Not about helping women, but about the message it sends.

Viewed that way, it's quite transparently a massive waste of money. 20 million dollars down the hole just to validate an inane view of women.

There we go with "this is all a sinister plot to oppress men" again.

Everyone drink.

[Nilokeras]

Inb4 Kowani rants about California's housing prices.

Why do you think menstrual products are a waste of money exactly?

Because women are already the recipient of the overwhelming amount of taxpayer money despite being a privileged class in terms of absolute poverty, such as homelessness.

peak 'crabs in a bucket fighting over scraps' energy my dude

[Ostroeuropa]

Because women are already the recipient of the overwhelming amount of taxpayer money despite being a privileged class in terms of absolute poverty, such as homelessness.

peak 'crabs in a bucket fighting over scraps' energy my dude

Not really. More noting that we should uplift people who are at the bottom of society and leapfrog progress. Your statement could just as easily be used to dismiss criticism of white supremacy and endless "Welfare for whites" programmes. "crab bucket lol". It's a thought terminating cliche.

Aren't you guys the ones constantly saying it's not about tearing others down, but lifting them up? Slip your mind for a moment did it? Opposing constant "Welfare for whites" and demanding we focus on minorities a while until the funding gap is closed does not imply scrapping the welfare programs that help white people. The crab bucket metaphor falls apart if you're not pulling people down, simply refusing to countenance them and only them advancing and not supporting their move forward until you catch up.

It's a kind of enforced solidarity.

Also the irony of a communist whining about crab buckets.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/268 ... oduct-gdp/

[Uiiop]

peak 'crabs in a bucket fighting over scraps' energy my dude

Not really. More noting that we should uplift people who are at the bottom of society and leapfrog progress. Your statement could just as easily be used to dismiss criticism of white supremacy and endless "Welfare for whites" programmes. "crab bucket lol". It's a thought terminating cliche.

Aren't you guys the ones constantly saying it's not about tearing others down, but lifting them up? Slip your mind for a moment did it? Opposing constant "Welfare for whites" and demanding we focus on minorities a while until the funding gap is closed does not imply scrapping the welfare programs that help white people. The crab bucket metaphor falls apart if you're not pulling people down, simply refusing to countenance them and only them advancing and not supporting their move forward until you catch up.

It's a kind of enforced solidarity.

Also the irony of a communist whining about crab buckets.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/268 ... oduct-gdp/

So you admit what you said was stupid? Ok then. I don't know why you think identity exclusionary welfare proposals are actually a thing besides "Didn't don't cancel random assholes who say it or with an similar ideology" but no one especially commies are down for that sort of thing.

I supposed in Europe that'll be something but still nothing in left politics.

The one discrimmination of welfare and public services that is actually happening is mean testing. As in that actually looks at some objective data of the person's privilege.

So assuming this isn't just an indigenous way to say "No u" you end up mimicking the actual material realty of your accsuation. Because like the shorthand of current wealth isn't an shorthand for economics stability neither would Female economic privilege is an short for *Looks at notes* female health rights.

But if this is just "I don't really mean it i'm just doing it to show how dumb you are" then own up your freaking strawman or show that these things are actually a thing rather than just hot takes in the void of the internet.

[Alcala-Cordel]

Maybe we should give Ostro tampons too in the name of men's rights so he doesn't feel like he's being exploited and left out.

[Neutraligon]

Maybe we should give Ostro tampons too in the name of men's rights so he doesn't feel like he's being exploited and left out.

I mean, in California if he were in school he would be able to use them since they will be placed in boy's restrooms. This is of course to allow trans individuals to use them...but I can see them being used by men for other useful things, for instance, if a male student has bladder issues (well that is mainly pads, but you get the point).

[Nilokeras]

peak 'crabs in a bucket fighting over scraps' energy my dude

Not really. More noting that we should uplift people who are at the bottom of society and leapfrog progress. Your statement could just as easily be used to dismiss criticism of white supremacy and endless "Welfare for whites" programmes. "crab bucket lol". It's a thought terminating cliche.

Aren't you guys the ones constantly saying it's not about tearing others down, but lifting them up? Slip your mind for a moment did it? Opposing constant "Welfare for whites" and demanding we focus on minorities a while until the funding gap is closed does not imply scrapping the welfare programs that help white people. The crab bucket metaphor falls apart if you're not pulling people down, simply refusing to countenance them and only them advancing and not supporting their move forward until you catch up.

It's a kind of enforced solidarity.

Also the irony of a communist whining about crab buckets.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/268 ... oduct-gdp/

Holy man dude I don't know where this 'welfare for whites' stuff is coming from but between the 'better things aren't possible' vibe you got going and this it's gonna be a yikes from me all around.

And that's before we get into the interesting *sniff* ideology of this idea of 'earning' greater support because of perceived privilege or lack thereof.

[Stellar Colonies]

From what I've heard about menstruation, it sounds like periodically having a temporary disability, requiring extra accommodation in the form of pain relief, containers, pads, etc. in order to function normally.

Providing that extra accommodation seems reasonable, especially since it seems simpler and cheaper than a lot of disability assistance like wheelchairs or social skills counseling.

(not sure if comparing it to a disability could be perceived as offensive, so apologies in advance if yes)

And generally, I've seen people trying to come up with comparable needs by biological men which don't really map across exactly, which seems irrelevant in the same way as the comparably rare FGM seemingly getting brought up as a weird tactic to counter arguments against allowing infant circumcision to fester within the United States.

It's an odd hill to die on when there are much better ones.

[Ostroeuropa]

So you admit what you said was stupid? Ok then.

I genuinely don't understand how you managed that reading.

I don't know why you think identity exclusionary welfare proposals are actually a thing besides "Didn't don't cancel random assholes who say it or with an similar ideology" but no one especially commies are down for that sort of thing.

"violence against women act" is an example dude, explicitly historically, and now in practice. Then you've got de-facto exclusionary versions.

I supposed in Europe that'll be something but still nothing in left politics.

See above.

The one discrimmination of welfare and public services that is actually happening is mean testing. As in that actually looks at some objective data of the person's privilege.

This is woefully poorly informed. One example would be how healthcare issues facing white people are significantly more likely to receive adequate funding.

And, if you're clever, you might notice the similarities here. Boys already fall behind in school in part due to medical issues like ADHD , drug use, and depression. Males already face more absolute poverty.

Yet most funding goes to girls. That is the context that frames this spending on girls and makes it comparable to a welfare for whites programme.

So assuming this isn't just an indigenous way to say "No u" you end up mimicking the actual material realty of your accsuation.

What?

Because like the shorthand of current wealth isn't an shorthand for economics stability neither would Female economic privilege is an short for *Looks at notes* female health rights.

See the "White people healthcare" example.

But if this is just "I don't really mean it i'm just doing it to show how dumb you are"

...

What? I mean, if you think pointing out the similarity between feminist impacts on the welfare system and "welfare for whites" makes feminists look stupid if welfare for whites is a real thing, then you said it man, not me.

And if your argument relies on thinking our welfare system isnt an example of white supremacy then... lol

then own up your freaking strawman or show that these things are actually a thing rather than just hot takes in the void of the internet.

I think you have not understood the post and should try reading it again.

[Ostroeuropa]

Holy man dude I don't know where this 'welfare for whites' stuff is coming from but between the 'better things aren't possible' vibe you got going and this it's gonna be a yikes from me all around.

And that's before we get into the interesting *sniff* ideology of this idea of 'earning' greater support because of perceived privilege or lack thereof.

I'm pointing out that you defending women overwhelmingly receiving taxpayer money while men receive comparatively little with the crab bucket argument could likewise be used to defend "welfare for whites", another form of supremacist dynamic, and that this has escaped your notice. It's also straightforwardly simple to point out that women receive more taxpayer money in large part because of female privilege due to people simply not caring about issues facing men.

See here;

Your statement could just as easily be used to dismiss criticism of white supremacy

So if you "Dunno where it came from", you could try actually reading the post and thinking about it. I find that often helps. I know you can if you just put the effort in rather than assuming the content from the outset.
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Maybe we should give Ostro tampons too in the name of men's rights so he doesn't feel like he's being exploited and left out.

I mean you could give men the 20 million dollars towards their issues and this would slightly close the gap. Realistically you'd need to give us hundreds of billions dollars a year, but it would be a start.

[Nilokeras]

I'm pointing out that you defending women overwhelmingly receiving taxpayer money while men receive comparatively little [...] *snip*

You got all that from a ten word post? Says a lot more about you and how deep the crab mentality goes than it does me, tbh

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

The point - that money being spent on one thing is money that isn’t being spent on something else, and therefore it is possible to oppose spending public funds on a project without questioning that the project will be beneficial - is sound.

That being said, considering how much money the world’s governments spend on killing people, I think if we were to start putting pressures on pointless expenditures to make budgetary space for good works, money being spent on free feminine hygiene products isn’t really the best target to start us off with.

[Nilokeras]

The point - that money being spent on one thing is money that isn’t being spent on something else, and therefore it is possible to oppose spending public funds on a project without questioning that the project will be beneficial - is sound.

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Captain, I'm detecting a red crab in the thread.

[Ostroeuropa]

The point - that money being spent on one thing is money that isn’t being spent on something else, and therefore it is possible to oppose spending public funds on a project without questioning that the project will be beneficial - is sound.

That being said, considering how much money the world’s governments spend on killing people, I think if we were to start putting pressures on pointless expenditures to make budgetary space for good works, money being spent on free feminine hygiene products isn’t really the best target to start us off with.

Once it is in place, sure. But opposing its rollout is sound
But then you have to engage with efficacy of assigned spending.

If we interpret these funds as funds designed to prevent medical issues impacting education, then we can see the aforementioned health issues related to the boys crisis in education is a better usage of those funds and te only realistic reason for the glass filling from the top down to the bottom is a gender supremacist mindset.

It's less a matter of unrelated issues and more "you decided to put funding toward ending homelessness for white people, not ending homelessness. That is an unacceptable use of funds.".

[Vassenor]

I'm pointing out that you defending women overwhelmingly receiving taxpayer money while men receive comparatively little [...] *snip*

You got all that from a ten word post? Says a lot more about you and how deep the crab mentality goes than it does me, tbh

No but you see women are getting a thing and men aren’t getting their required Equal Attention Cake therefore men are being oppressed.

[The V I C]

The point - that money being spent on one thing is money that isn’t being spent on something else, and therefore it is possible to oppose spending public funds on a project without questioning that the project will be beneficial - is sound.

That being said, considering how much money the world’s governments spend on killing people, I think if we were to start putting pressures on pointless expenditures to make budgetary space for good works, money being spent on free feminine hygiene products isn’t really the best target to start us off with.

I'm fairly certain money spent on feminine products for school girls is beneficial unless we as a society decided last night that we don't care about the children, especially the female ones.