The NationStates Feminism Thread IV: Fight Like A Girl!

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I'm against beating kids. I'm especially against a man beating his daughter, and I think any man who does deserves to be named, shamed and maybe introduced to punishment thats a whole lot worse.

Well...most sane people are against beating kids, Rojava.

Yeah, I know. I'm just saying I feel for those girls. No one should be threatened into wearing something on their head under the threat of violence.

[Kowani]

Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan blames rise in rape on decline in modesty

The Prime Minister of Pakistan has caused widespread outrage after he urged women to dress more modestly while addressing a surge in rape cases.

The former professional cricketer turned politician, 65, made the comments during a televised interview, where he said women should cover their bodies to avoid being attacked.

Taking a question from a caller, Prime Minister Khan was asked what the government was doing to address a rise in sexual attacks in Pakistan.

“The incidents of rape of women … (have) actually very rapidly increased in society,” he said.

Khan cited the Islamic concept of purdah, which means using veils and screens to obscure women from men.

“This entire concept of purdah is to avoid temptation; not everyone has the willpower to avoid it,” he said.

Khan said his government would be bringing in new laws to protect women from sexual assault – but added it was up to society to preserve women’s modesty.

The Prime Minister said a rise in rape indicated the “consequences in any society where vulgarity is on the rise”.

The comments sparked furious outrage, with women’s rights campaigners and activists in the country accusing the Prime Minister of “baffling ignorance”.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan blames rise in rape on decline in modesty

The Prime Minister of Pakistan has caused widespread outrage after he urged women to dress more modestly while addressing a surge in rape cases.

The former professional cricketer turned politician, 65, made the comments during a televised interview, where he said women should cover their bodies to avoid being attacked.

Taking a question from a caller, Prime Minister Khan was asked what the government was doing to address a rise in sexual attacks in Pakistan.

“The incidents of rape of women … (have) actually very rapidly increased in society,” he said.

Khan cited the Islamic concept of purdah, which means using veils and screens to obscure women from men.

“This entire concept of purdah is to avoid temptation; not everyone has the willpower to avoid it,” he said.

Khan said his government would be bringing in new laws to protect women from sexual assault – but added it was up to society to preserve women’s modesty.

The Prime Minister said a rise in rape indicated the “consequences in any society where vulgarity is on the rise”.

The comments sparked furious outrage, with women’s rights campaigners and activists in the country accusing the Prime Minister of “baffling ignorance”.

What lack of modesty is he even talking about? I have yet to see a woman in Pakistan dress in a way that isn't viewed as extremely conservative in America or Europe.

Lemme guess, a man sees a woman's ankle and that's how it happens. What kind of national level hot take is this?

[Andsed]

Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan blames rise in rape on decline in modesty

The Prime Minister of Pakistan has caused widespread outrage after he urged women to dress more modestly while addressing a surge in rape cases.

The former professional cricketer turned politician, 65, made the comments during a televised interview, where he said women should cover their bodies to avoid being attacked.

Taking a question from a caller, Prime Minister Khan was asked what the government was doing to address a rise in sexual attacks in Pakistan.

“The incidents of rape of women … (have) actually very rapidly increased in society,” he said.

Khan cited the Islamic concept of purdah, which means using veils and screens to obscure women from men.

“This entire concept of purdah is to avoid temptation; not everyone has the willpower to avoid it,” he said.

Khan said his government would be bringing in new laws to protect women from sexual assault – but added it was up to society to preserve women’s modesty.

The Prime Minister said a rise in rape indicated the “consequences in any society where vulgarity is on the rise”.

The comments sparked furious outrage, with women’s rights campaigners and activists in the country accusing the Prime Minister of “baffling ignorance”.

“This entire concept of purdah is to avoid temptation; not everyone has the willpower to avoid it,” he said.

Well, thats a whole lot of yikes in so many ways.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

Ah... religious traditionalism. Lovely.

If this was a Western European country that sort of [expletive] comments would see a Prime Minister face a no-confidence vote at the very least.

And some people seriously think that we should respect the cultural distinctiveness of immigrants from fundamentalist societies instead of making every effort to push integration...

[Stellar Colonies]

Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan blames rise in rape on decline in modesty

The Prime Minister of Pakistan has caused widespread outrage after he urged women to dress more modestly while addressing a surge in rape cases.

The former professional cricketer turned politician, 65, made the comments during a televised interview, where he said women should cover their bodies to avoid being attacked.

Taking a question from a caller, Prime Minister Khan was asked what the government was doing to address a rise in sexual attacks in Pakistan.

“The incidents of rape of women … (have) actually very rapidly increased in society,” he said.

Khan cited the Islamic concept of purdah, which means using veils and screens to obscure women from men.

“This entire concept of purdah is to avoid temptation; not everyone has the willpower to avoid it,” he said.

Khan said his government would be bringing in new laws to protect women from sexual assault – but added it was up to society to preserve women’s modesty.

The Prime Minister said a rise in rape indicated the “consequences in any society where vulgarity is on the rise”.

The comments sparked furious outrage, with women’s rights campaigners and activists in the country accusing the Prime Minister of “baffling ignorance”.

Greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaat...

Our usual package deal of misandry ("men are horny uncontrollable beasts") and misogyny ("women are being immoral") strikes again.

r/MenKampf would have a field day with this subreddit

Ugh. The initial idea of /r/MenKampf is a good one - making generalizations is bad, even if it's straight white men being generalized. The problem is that you read the comments and you see that they seem to think it's only bad to generalize against straight white men. And I suppose, Jews.

There are certainly some racists/sexists lurking in there, although they seem to be a disliked fringe.

even

?

[The Blaatschapen]

Unfortunately terrible people exist who tear apart their families with abuse and cruelty.

I'm against beating kids. I'm especially against a man beating his daughter, and I think any man who does deserves to be named, shamed and maybe introduced to punishment thats a whole lot worse.

Why are you singling out a father beating their daughter especially?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I'm against beating kids. I'm especially against a man beating his daughter, and I think any man who does deserves to be named, shamed and maybe introduced to punishment thats a whole lot worse.

Why are you singling out a father beating their daughter especially?

The strength difference. It isnt 100000 times worse than anyone beating anyone but it's like the sour cherry on top.

[Vassenor]

It says UK judge.

Yes, I know
Vass messed up

Yeah, my mind saw "Daily Mail Gets Sued" and presumed it was a UK court.

[Kowani]

Yes, I know
Vass messed up

Yeah, my mind saw "Daily Mail Gets Sued" and presumed it was a UK court.

don't worry, i did the same thing

[Jello Biafra]

Ugh. The initial idea of /r/MenKampf is a good one - making generalizations is bad, even if it's straight white men being generalized. The problem is that you read the comments and you see that they seem to think it's only bad to generalize against straight white men. And I suppose, Jews.

There are certainly some racists/sexists lurking in there, although they seem to be a disliked fringe.

For instance, the one that stood out to me was someone who was possibly a male feminist saying that men should ignore generalizations about men. The forum pointed out that this was bad advice by using its usual 'Jew' substitution, which was fine, but then comments were made that male feminists are only male feminists because they want to get laid, all of which were upvoted.

even

?

As opposed to a philosophy that says something like 'punching up' is okay, 'punching down' is not. /r/MenKampf is in theory, a rejection of that philosophy.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Ah... religious traditionalism. Lovely.

If this was a Western European country that sort of [expletive] comments would see a Prime Minister face a no-confidence vote at the very least.

And some people seriously think that we should respect the cultural distinctiveness of immigrants from fundamentalist societies instead of making every effort to push integration...

Not everyone thinks the same in any society. I would advise you not to generalize "immigrants bad" out of what one guy in Pakistan, one country in south Asia, has to say.

[Fahran]

Not everyone thinks the same in any society. I would advise you not to generalize "immigrants bad" out of what one guy in Pakistan, one country in south Asia, has to say.

It's not everyone, but we tend to import at least some of the misogynists of a population when we import that population, especially if we don't actively exclude those sorts of people. A lot of these societies haven't really spent the time grappling with sexism in the same way we have, and, as in all things, without some level of confrontation over misogyny and rape culture, it'll never get addressed or resolved. Hopefully, that can come both from within and without communities that seem to have an especial problem with those things, whether they're home-grown or immigrant.

[Kowani]

South Carolina House votes to create paid family leave for state employees (104-4)

A renewed effort to provide state employees 12 weeks paid parental leave after the birth or adoption of a child passed the House on Wednesday after a 104-4 vote. And if the Senate follows suit, the governor said Wednesday he will support the measure — backing that could help the bill become law.

The proposed benefit is meant to help retain employees as the state competes with the private sector for workers. Lawmakers made efforts last year to provide the benefit to state employees, but the legislation stalled as legislative work came to halt at the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Legislators refiled the bills this for this year's legislative session.

The House bill this year had 29 co-sponsors in the House, including said Bernstein, and state Rep. Kirkman Finlay, R-Richland. A similar bill in the Senate has three co-sponsors including state Sen. Darrell Jackson, D-Richland, and Katrina Shealy, R-Lexington. The House measure now goes to the Senate for its consideration.

[Stellar Colonies]

South Carolina House votes to create paid family leave for state employees (104-4)

A renewed effort to provide state employees 12 weeks paid parental leave after the birth or adoption of a child passed the House on Wednesday after a 104-4 vote. And if the Senate follows suit, the governor said Wednesday he will support the measure — backing that could help the bill become law.

The proposed benefit is meant to help retain employees as the state competes with the private sector for workers. Lawmakers made efforts last year to provide the benefit to state employees, but the legislation stalled as legislative work came to halt at the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Legislators refiled the bills this for this year's legislative session.

The House bill this year had 29 co-sponsors in the House, including said Bernstein, and state Rep. Kirkman Finlay, R-Richland. A similar bill in the Senate has three co-sponsors including state Sen. Darrell Jackson, D-Richland, and Katrina Shealy, R-Lexington. The House measure now goes to the Senate for its consideration.

Paid maternal and paternal leave? Fantastic.

That's at least a start to applying it to employment in general, which will hopefully come at...some point, whenever that would be.

Hopefully there's not some kind of catch that I'm missing.

[Vassenor]

South Carolina House votes to create paid family leave for state employees (104-4)

A renewed effort to provide state employees 12 weeks paid parental leave after the birth or adoption of a child passed the House on Wednesday after a 104-4 vote. And if the Senate follows suit, the governor said Wednesday he will support the measure — backing that could help the bill become law.

The proposed benefit is meant to help retain employees as the state competes with the private sector for workers. Lawmakers made efforts last year to provide the benefit to state employees, but the legislation stalled as legislative work came to halt at the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Legislators refiled the bills this for this year's legislative session.

The House bill this year had 29 co-sponsors in the House, including said Bernstein, and state Rep. Kirkman Finlay, R-Richland. A similar bill in the Senate has three co-sponsors including state Sen. Darrell Jackson, D-Richland, and Katrina Shealy, R-Lexington. The House measure now goes to the Senate for its consideration.

Paid maternal and paternal leave? Fantastic.

That's at least a start to applying it to employment in general, which will hopefully come at...some point, whenever that would be.

Hopefully there's not some kind of catch that I'm missing.

Yeah, if there's no strings attached like it seems then this is very much based.

[Stellar Colonies]

Paid maternal and paternal leave? Fantastic.

That's at least a start to applying it to employment in general, which will hopefully come at...some point, whenever that would be.

Hopefully there's not some kind of catch that I'm missing.

Yeah, if there's no strings attached like it seems then this is very much based.

It'll probably become the opposite of based if they try to apply it to the private sector as well, but this in of itself is something at least.

Unless they're strings attached to this ofc as we stated

[Kowani]

South Carolina House votes to create paid family leave for state employees (104-4)

A renewed effort to provide state employees 12 weeks paid parental leave after the birth or adoption of a child passed the House on Wednesday after a 104-4 vote. And if the Senate follows suit, the governor said Wednesday he will support the measure — backing that could help the bill become law.

The proposed benefit is meant to help retain employees as the state competes with the private sector for workers. Lawmakers made efforts last year to provide the benefit to state employees, but the legislation stalled as legislative work came to halt at the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Legislators refiled the bills this for this year's legislative session.

The House bill this year had 29 co-sponsors in the House, including said Bernstein, and state Rep. Kirkman Finlay, R-Richland. A similar bill in the Senate has three co-sponsors including state Sen. Darrell Jackson, D-Richland, and Katrina Shealy, R-Lexington. The House measure now goes to the Senate for its consideration.

Paid maternal and paternal leave? Fantastic.

That's at least a start to applying it to employment in general, which will hopefully come at...some point, whenever that would be.

Hopefully there's not some kind of catch that I'm missing.

Found the original bill

Any person employed by this State, its departments, agencies, or institutions in a FTE position is entitled to a total of twelve weeks of leave during any twelve month period for one or more of the following:

(1) the birth of a son or daughter of the employee and in order to care for such son or daughter; or

(2) the placement of a son or daughter with the employee for adoption.

(B) The entitlement to leave under subsection (A) expires at the end of the twelve-month period beginning on the date of such birth or placement. An employee shall receive no more than twelve work weeks of paid family leave for any twelve-month period, even if more than one qualifying event occurs during that period.

(C) Days of paid family leave to which an employee is entitled must be used consecutively.

(D) If both parents are eligible employees, then each parent receives twelve weeks of paid family leave, which may be taken concurrently, consecutively, or at different times as the other eligible employee. Legal holidays listed in Section 53-5-10 must not be counted against paid family leave.

(E) Paid family leave may not be donated and such leave remaining at the end of the twelve-month period or at separation of employment is forfeited. If leave is not used by the employee before the end of the twelve-month period after the qualifying event, it does not accumulate for subsequent use.

(F) Paid family leave must run concurrently with leave taken pursuant to the Family Medical & Leave Act and any other leave to which the employee may be entitled as a result of the qualifying event. However, leave granted under this section is with pay and is not annual leave or sick leave and does not deduct from an employee's accrued leave balance. An employee does not have to exhaust all other forms of leave before being eligible for leave granted under this section. Employees will accrue annual and sick leave at the normal rate while on paid family leave, if applicable.

[Nakena]

Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan blames rise in rape on decline in modesty

The Prime Minister of Pakistan has caused widespread outrage after he urged women to dress more modestly while addressing a surge in rape cases.

The former professional cricketer turned politician, 65, made the comments during a televised interview, where he said women should cover their bodies to avoid being attacked.

Taking a question from a caller, Prime Minister Khan was asked what the government was doing to address a rise in sexual attacks in Pakistan.

“The incidents of rape of women … (have) actually very rapidly increased in society,” he said.

Khan cited the Islamic concept of purdah, which means using veils and screens to obscure women from men.

“This entire concept of purdah is to avoid temptation; not everyone has the willpower to avoid it,” he said.

Khan said his government would be bringing in new laws to protect women from sexual assault – but added it was up to society to preserve women’s modesty.

The Prime Minister said a rise in rape indicated the “consequences in any society where vulgarity is on the rise”.

The comments sparked furious outrage, with women’s rights campaigners and activists in the country accusing the Prime Minister of “baffling ignorance”.

He should know better.

[Des-Bal]

Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan blames rise in rape on decline in modesty

The Prime Minister of Pakistan has caused widespread outrage after he urged women to dress more modestly while addressing a surge in rape cases.

The former professional cricketer turned politician, 65, made the comments during a televised interview, where he said women should cover their bodies to avoid being attacked.

Taking a question from a caller, Prime Minister Khan was asked what the government was doing to address a rise in sexual attacks in Pakistan.

“The incidents of rape of women … (have) actually very rapidly increased in society,” he said.

Khan cited the Islamic concept of purdah, which means using veils and screens to obscure women from men.

“This entire concept of purdah is to avoid temptation; not everyone has the willpower to avoid it,” he said.

Khan said his government would be bringing in new laws to protect women from sexual assault – but added it was up to society to preserve women’s modesty.

The Prime Minister said a rise in rape indicated the “consequences in any society where vulgarity is on the rise”.

The comments sparked furious outrage, with women’s rights campaigners and activists in the country accusing the Prime Minister of “baffling ignorance”.

He should know better.

Than to be religious? Yes but I wasn't aware we were acknowledging that.

[Fahran]

Than to be religious? Yes but I wasn't aware we were acknowledging that.

You can be religious and not blame a lack of modesty for sexual violence. You can be an atheist and blame a lack of modesty for sexual violence. In fact, several high-profile atheists have made comments that seem as problematic as those made PM Khan. It has next to nothing to do with whether or not you believe G-d exists.

[Des-Bal]

You can be religious and not blame a lack of modesty for sexual violence. You can be an atheist and blame a lack of modesty for sexual violence. In fact, several high-profile atheists have made comments that seem as problematic as those made PM Khan. It has next to nothing to do with whether or not you believe G-d exists.

When your an atheist you have to justify the things you say. When the foundation of everything that is right and wrong is the will of an invisible inscrutable and all powerful god you don't.

[The Blaatschapen]

You can be religious and not blame a lack of modesty for sexual violence. You can be an atheist and blame a lack of modesty for sexual violence. In fact, several high-profile atheists have made comments that seem as problematic as those made PM Khan. It has next to nothing to do with whether or not you believe G-d exists.

When your an atheist you have to justify the things you say. When the foundation of everything that is right and wrong is the will of an invisible inscrutable and all powerful god you don't.

What if I believe that I'm a god? Why should I need to be invisible in order not to have to justify my beliefs?

[Odreria]

You can be religious and not blame a lack of modesty for sexual violence. You can be an atheist and blame a lack of modesty for sexual violence. In fact, several high-profile atheists have made comments that seem as problematic as those made PM Khan. It has next to nothing to do with whether or not you believe G-d exists.

When your an atheist you have to justify the things you say.

I've just checked and it turns out you don't have to, actually.

[Kowani]

Federal judge approves partial deal between players on the women’s national team and the U.S. Soccer Federation over unequal working conditions

U.S. District Judge R. Gary Klausner approved the Dec. 1 settlement during a hearing Monday. The deal calls for charter flights, hotel accommodations, venue selection and professional staff support equitable to that of the men’s national team. Players sued the USSF in March 2019, contending they have not been paid equitably under their collective bargaining agreement that runs through December 2021, compared to what the men’s team receives under its agreement that expired in December 2018. The women asked for more than $66 million in damages under the Equal Pay Act and Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Klausner dismissed the pay claim last May, ruling the women rejected a pay-to-play structure similar to the one in the men’s agreement and accepted greater base salaries and benefits than the men, who failed to qualify for the 2018 World Cup. “We are pleased that the court has approved the equal working conditions that the USWNT players have fought for many years to achieve,” players spokeswoman Molly Levinson said in a statement. “Finally, giving these athletes access to facilities, training, care and professional support is the next step needed in the long and hard work to grow the game of women’s football.”

Klausner’s approval of the settlement allows the players to ask the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals to overturn his decision on unequal pay.

“We intend to appeal the court’s equal pay decision, which does not account for the fact that women players have been paid at lesser rates than men who do the same job,” Levinson said.

“We are committed as ever to our work to achieve the equal pay that we legally deserve and our focus is on the future and ensuring we leave the game a better place for the next generation of women who will play for this team and our country.”

The USSF said it expected an appeal and remains “hopeful” of a “resolution outside of the court system.”

“U.S. Soccer is 100 percent committed to equal pay,” the governing body said in a statement. “We have offered the USWNT the identical compensation provided to our men’s players for all matches controlled by U.S. Soccer.

“Unfortunately, the USWNT has not accepted our offer or our longstanding invitation to meet to try to find a resolution unless U.S. Soccer first agrees to make up the difference between the men’s and Women’s World Cup prize money, which is determined, controlled and paid for by FIFA.”

FIFA awarded $400 million in prize money for the 32 teams at the 2018 men’s World Cup, including $38 million to champion France. It awarded $30 million for the 24 teams at the 2019 Women’s World Cup, including $4 million to the U.S. after the Americans won their second straight title.

FIFA has increased the total to $440 million for the 2022 men’s World Cup, and FIFA President Gianni Infantino has proposed FIFA double the women’s prize money to $60 million for the 2023 Women’s World Cup, where FIFA has increased the teams to 32.