The NationStates Feminism Thread IV: Fight Like A Girl!

[Big Jim P]

I am American and use American definitions of left/right etc. I am aware that our definitions differ.

That's because the American political spectrum is shifted to the right.

Irrelevant. Here to argue boy vs girl, and (joke aside), show a little respect and maybe learn, maybe teach.

[Sundiata]

That's because the American political spectrum is shifted to the right.

Irrelevant. Here to argue boy vs girl, and (joke aside), show a little respect and maybe learn, maybe teach.

Well, I think that Americans are probably going to have right-wing biases about topics like what women should do, what women are even. I think that this is the case because the United States is a country with a right-wing bias, especially in it's politics.

[New haven america]

That's because the American political spectrum is shifted to the right.

Irrelevant. Here to argue boy vs girl, and (joke aside), show a little respect and maybe learn, maybe teach.

Except you're not because you're using the East Asian standard for family dynamics.

The children exist to take care of the parents when they're too old, and the children exist to do as the parents say.

[Sundiata]

Irrelevant. Here to argue boy vs girl, and (joke aside), show a little respect and maybe learn, maybe teach.

Except you're not because you're using the East Asian standard for family dynamics.

The children exist to take care of the parents when they're too old, and the children exist to do as the parents say.

That wasn't the norm in the West for most of its history?

[Big Jim P]

Irrelevant. Here to argue boy vs girl, and (joke aside), show a little respect and maybe learn, maybe teach.

Except you're not because you're using the East Asian standard for family dynamics.

The children exist to take care of the parents when they're too old, and the children exist to do as the parents say.

I can see that.

The children also are there to grow, just as you and I have. While they are young, weak, growing, us, as adults owe them our care and protection. When we are old weak and dying they pay it back.

Too much of human reality has lost itself into the words we created, but we are still bound by the nature that creates us.

[New haven america]

Except you're not because you're using the East Asian standard for family dynamics.

The children exist to take care of the parents when they're too old, and the children exist to do as the parents say.

I can see that.

The children also are there to grow, just as you and I have. While they are young, weak, growing, us, as adults owe them our care and protection. When we are old weak and dying they pay it back.

Too much of human reality has lost itself into the words we created, but we are still bound by the nature that creates us.

Yeah...

That mindset lead to the abortion of 30+ million supposed to be baby girls in China because men are more respected and higher earners. Leaving a massive sex/gender gap in the youngest population and boys who are so spoiled by their parents (Because they felt so lucky and grateful at not having a girl) that a lot of them aren't really capable of functioning in society.

India's going through a similar issue, with the government in multiple states trying to pay families not to abort their soon to be daughter or learn the sex before birth.

[Big Jim P]

I can see that.

The children also are there to grow, just as you and I have. While they are young, weak, growing, us, as adults owe them our care and protection. When we are old weak and dying they pay it back.

Too much of human reality has lost itself into the words we created, but we are still bound by the nature that creates us.

Yeah...

That mindset lead to the abortion of 30+ million supposed to be baby girls in China because men are more respected and higher earners. Leaving a massive sex/gender gap in the youngest population and boys who are so spoiled by their parents (Because they felt so lucky and grateful at not having a girl) that a lot of them aren't really capable of functioning in society.

India's going through a similar issue, with the government in multiple states trying to pay families not to abort their soon to be daughter or learn the sex before birth.

That would be a social problem in China.

The social focus on the male does tend to devalue our mothers. Mothers being all females.

[New haven america]

Yeah...

That mindset lead to the abortion of 30+ million supposed to be baby girls in China because men are more respected and higher earners. Leaving a massive sex/gender gap in the youngest population and boys who are so spoiled by their parents (Because they felt so lucky and grateful at not having a girl) that a lot of them aren't really capable of functioning in society.

India's going through a similar issue, with the government in multiple states trying to pay families not to abort their soon to be daughter or learn the sex before birth.

1. That would be a social problem in China.

2. The social focus on the male does tend to devalue our mothers. Mothers being all females.

1. No, the social issue is having the transactional relationships with children along with the idea that men are superior to women. And this is a very prevelant idea in tons of areas.
2. Yeah, it kinda does. Seeing as how women haven't had equal rights as men since the... Dawn of Civilization.

[Kowani]

I can see that.

The children also are there to grow, just as you and I have. While they are young, weak, growing, us, as adults owe them our care and protection. When we are old weak and dying they pay it back.

Too much of human reality has lost itself into the words we created, but we are still bound by the nature that creates us.

Yeah...

That mindset lead to the abortion of 30+ million supposed to be baby girls in China because men are more respected and higher earners. Leaving a massive sex/gender gap in the youngest population and boys who are so spoiled by their parents (Because they felt so lucky and grateful at not having a girl) that a lot of them aren't really capable of functioning in society.

India's going through a similar issue, with the government in multiple states trying to pay families not to abort their soon to be daughter or learn the sex before birth.

odd
i could've sworn the massive chinese gender gap was caused by the old one-child policy
shows what i get for doing research

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Well, the PC/Woke stuff is more popular amongst liberals than the Left (socialists, communists). It's better ignored.

I am American and use American definitions of left/right etc. I am aware that our definitions differ.

If the rest of the world has a totally different definition, maybe our definition isn't accurate.

[Kowani]

Texas school scraps chivalry assignment that had girls "obey any reasonable request of a male"

The lesson called for them to dress in "a feminine manner to please the men" and to "address all men respectfully by title, with a lowered head and curtsy." It instructed them to "never criticize a male," "initiate a conversation" or "whine." It directed them to "walk behind men or walk daintily, as if their feet were bound." And they were told to cook, clean and "obey any reasonable request of a male. If not sure if it is considered reasonable, ladies can check with their teachers.”

Students could continue the actions at home.

"Fathers and adult males may insist on following the rules into the evening," according to the assignment.

“Outside the classroom, ladies cannot show intellectual superiority if it would offend the men around them."

Bonus points were offered for every adult signature proving they "were worthy of the honor by the gentlemen."

[West Balkan Union]

Texas school scraps chivalry assignment that had girls "obey any reasonable request of a male"

The lesson called for them to dress in "a feminine manner to please the men" and to "address all men respectfully by title, with a lowered head and curtsy." It instructed them to "never criticize a male," "initiate a conversation" or "whine." It directed them to "walk behind men or walk daintily, as if their feet were bound." And they were told to cook, clean and "obey any reasonable request of a male. If not sure if it is considered reasonable, ladies can check with their teachers.”

Students could continue the actions at home.

"Fathers and adult males may insist on following the rules into the evening," according to the assignment.

“Outside the classroom, ladies cannot show intellectual superiority if it would offend the men around them."

Bonus points were offered for every adult signature proving they "were worthy of the honor by the gentlemen."

what the F*ck???

[Zul-ar]

Texas school scraps chivalry assignment that had girls "obey any reasonable request of a male"

It's not actually that bad, if you read the article. The purpose of the assignment was to educate students about medieval gender roles:

"I think she was just trying to find a different way to teach us about this topic," Lain said. "So the men in our class honestly could kind of see how it really was to be a woman in the 1300s ... because this is something too important for you to just learn on paper or read from a book."

Students who didn't want to participate could opt-out:

He said students who did not want to participate were given permission to opt out.

And the assignment also had requirements for boys:

Boys were to call girls "milady" and "pay all expenses" when taking them out.

It seems to be that a journalist made a mountain out of a molehill and took it out of context. It was just a fun, optional assignment and a creative way of teaching.

[Kowani]

Texas school scraps chivalry assignment that had girls "obey any reasonable request of a male"

It's not actually that bad, if you read the article. The purpose of the assignment was to educate students about medieval gender roles:

"I think she was just trying to find a different way to teach us about this topic," Lain said. "So the men in our class honestly could kind of see how it really was to be a woman in the 1300s ... because this is something too important for you to just learn on paper or read from a book."

bad way of doing it

Students who didn't want to participate could opt-out:

He said students who did not want to participate were given permission to opt out.

this is not a good defense
high schoolers are under immense pressure to take every assignment given to them
the "you can opt-out" clause doesn't cover it

And the assignment also had requirements for boys:

Boys were to call girls "milady" and "pay all expenses" when taking them out.

back to the point about "this is a bad way of teaching gender roles"

[Punished UMN]

A Marxist criticism of sex work advocacy, which echoes what I've been saying for years: https://www.thebellows.org/the-folly-of ... -advocacy/

[Fahran]

If the rest of the world has a totally different definition, maybe our definition isn't accurate.

Universalizing a political compass or spectrum to the entire world is next to impossible. Islamists and Baathists for instance would not fit into a conventional political compass for Europe, the one left-wingers like to assert is most appropriate and applicable to universalize, and would tend to do some wonky things to the median/mean social policies.

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

Texas school scraps chivalry assignment that had girls "obey any reasonable request of a male"

It's not actually that bad, if you read the article. The purpose of the assignment was to educate students about medieval gender roles:

"I think she was just trying to find a different way to teach us about this topic," Lain said. "So the men in our class honestly could kind of see how it really was to be a woman in the 1300s ... because this is something too important for you to just learn on paper or read from a book."

Students who didn't want to participate could opt-out:

He said students who did not want to participate were given permission to opt out.

And the assignment also had requirements for boys:

Boys were to call girls "milady" and "pay all expenses" when taking them out.

It seems to be that a journalist made a mountain out of a molehill and took it out of context. It was just a fun, optional assignment and a creative way of teaching.

If history class had more roleplaying, 'twould be very fun. And I enjoy history as is. If it's for educational purposes on gender roles in the Middle Ages, then it will show how medieval Europeans lived and may illustrate the extent to which people were restricted by their sex.

[Fahran]

I will point out as well that those probably aren't medieval gender norms, but rather a stylized attempt at medieval gender norms that largely ignore the role class would have played as well as the importance of religious faith. Going out on dates without a chaperone? Absolutely not, you shameless hussy!

[Nakena]

Texas school scraps chivalry assignment that had girls "obey any reasonable request of a male"

The lesson called for them to dress in "a feminine manner to please the men" and to "address all men respectfully by title, with a lowered head and curtsy." It instructed them to "never criticize a male," "initiate a conversation" or "whine." It directed them to "walk behind men or walk daintily, as if their feet were bound." And they were told to cook, clean and "obey any reasonable request of a male. If not sure if it is considered reasonable, ladies can check with their teachers.”

Students could continue the actions at home.

"Fathers and adult males may insist on following the rules into the evening," according to the assignment.

“Outside the classroom, ladies cannot show intellectual superiority if it would offend the men around them."

Bonus points were offered for every adult signature proving they "were worthy of the honor by the gentlemen."

Seems like some history class gone a tad wild.

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

I will point out as well that those probably aren't medieval gender norms, but rather a stylized attempt at medieval gender norms that largely ignore the role class would have paid as well as the importance of religious faith. Going out on dates without a chaperone? Absolutely not, you shameless hussy!

Perhaps having it be an in-class activity would be better--unless the point was to show how it was present in every aspect of medieval society. How long was the project supposed to last?

[The Blaatschapen]

I will point out as well that those probably aren't medieval gender norms, but rather a stylized attempt at medieval gender norms that largely ignore the role class would have paid as well as the importance of religious faith. Going out on dates without a chaperone? Absolutely not, you shameless hussy!

Perhaps having it be an in-class activity would be better--unless the point was to show how it was present in every aspect of medieval society. How long was the project supposed to last?

To truly present every aspect of medieval society we need about a 1000 years.

Why?

[Suriyanakhon]

I will point out as well that those probably aren't medieval gender norms, but rather a stylized attempt at medieval gender norms that largely ignore the role class would have paid as well as the importance of religious faith. Going out on dates without a chaperone? Absolutely not, you shameless hussy!

What do you mean, I'm just going for a walk with a fellow lady-in-waiting.

[Stellar Colonies]

we may be getting a reversible male contraceptive pill after all

though it's not past animal testing yet, so don't get your hopes up

Giving people more control over their reproduction is always a good thing.

I hope it is successful, cheap, and safe.

Can I shoot like a girl?

My little/baby sister ( she is half my physical size and five years younger), over iron sights, put a perfect head-shot to an Axis deer for her first hunting kill.

Fight like a girl? No. Hell no. Men, we are aggressive. Women fighting are (rightfully in my opinion) vicious, nasty and down-right scary.

At least half a dozen girls (possibly more) and one boy were involved in a series of fights at my high school in freshman year after a 'rally', serious enough to get an upcoming dance canceled by the school administrators (large fights are unusual there). I didn't see any of it (I was in a classroom for the extent of it), but I could certainly hear it.

Texas school scraps chivalry assignment that had girls "obey any reasonable request of a male"

The lesson called for them to dress in "a feminine manner to please the men" and to "address all men respectfully by title, with a lowered head and curtsy." It instructed them to "never criticize a male," "initiate a conversation" or "whine." It directed them to "walk behind men or walk daintily, as if their feet were bound." And they were told to cook, clean and "obey any reasonable request of a male. If not sure if it is considered reasonable, ladies can check with their teachers.”

Students could continue the actions at home.

"Fathers and adult males may insist on following the rules into the evening," according to the assignment.

“Outside the classroom, ladies cannot show intellectual superiority if it would offend the men around them."

Bonus points were offered for every adult signature proving they "were worthy of the honor by the gentlemen."

So the girls and boys were supposed to follow each of their traditional gender roles as an educational thing, to see what it was like to be compelled to obey them in the past and possibly present?

hm

I think it would cause more issues than it is worth, although it at least throws out a phrase about it being voluntary...

Reading it, it is interesting how the school's assigned gender roles accurately have each sort of have them lean on each other in terms of respect, as opposed to the watered down, oversimplified, and somewhat inaccurate version of "girls obey boys" that people think of these days. Albeit, I'm sure it still doesn't fully reflect the real gender roles present in the medieval period.

[Fahran]

What do you mean, I'm just going for a walk with a fellow lady-in-waiting.

Without your lady's husband's knights accompanying you? Scandalous!

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

What do you mean, I'm just going for a walk with a fellow lady-in-waiting.

Without your lady's husband's knights accompanying you? Scandalous!

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fINd a sUiTabLe hUsBanD!!!!! wOe iS mE!!!