Washington Resistance Army wrote:I feel like there's a joke to be made with sex work and socialism, means of production and all that.
Equal distribution across the spectrum.
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by Shu Chengdu » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:06 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:I feel like there's a joke to be made with sex work and socialism, means of production and all that.
by Proctopeo » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:08 pm
by Auzkhia » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:08 pm
by Kowani » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:14 pm
Proctopeo wrote:Kowani wrote:Bold claim
In its present (or even historical) form, no
Entirely nonexistent? Not so certain
Even in the absence of formal currency, people still exchange things with value, whether it's perceived or real. In some form, money has existed for an incredibly long time, longer than writing. While an interesting concept, abolishing money is going to immediately fail.
by Bienenhalde » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:36 pm
by Shu Chengdu » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:44 pm
by Bienenhalde » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:48 pm
by Suriyanakhon » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:50 pm
Auzkhia wrote:Suriyanakhon wrote:
That still doesn't relate to the children of the parents though, and doesn't explain punishing them for something outside of their control.
Yeah, it does not merit expelling children, like, firing, while something I would not agree with, is still kinda reasonable even if their reasons are BS.
by Auzkhia » Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:05 pm
Bienenhalde wrote:I understand where it would seem unfair to expell children from school because of their parents' actions, but perhaps the children would have been better off being raised by different parents.
Shu Chengdu wrote:Still trying to wrap my head around “sex being unpleasant”...
by Fahran » Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:08 pm
Kowani wrote:If we define “paid” as exclusive to money, no
But that’s a bad definition so we’re not gonna do that
by Shu Chengdu » Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:11 pm
by Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:17 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:I feel like there's a joke to be made with sex work and socialism, means of production and all that.
by Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:20 pm
Shu Chengdu wrote:Still trying to wrap my head around “sex being unpleasant”...
by Suriyanakhon » Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:26 pm
Shu Chengdu wrote:Still trying to wrap my head around “sex being unpleasant”...
by Fahran » Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:27 pm
Shu Chengdu wrote:I mean yeah, but I’m talking consensual with a desired partner. Or interpreting rather. Just to clarify.
by Punished UMN » Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:31 pm
Auzkhia wrote:Punished UMN wrote:Yes, but it will not and cannot be present in socialism.
Sex work will still exist, it just won't be the same as it is now. Sure money is often a reason, but I know some people who genuinely liked it, and had more power in a transaction than any other so called legitimate job offered them.
by Punished UMN » Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:33 pm
by Shu Chengdu » Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:34 pm
by Shu Chengdu » Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:35 pm
Fahran wrote:Shu Chengdu wrote:I mean yeah, but I’m talking consensual with a desired partner. Or interpreting rather. Just to clarify.
You don't have to be attracted to a person to consent to sexual activity, and, notably, a lot of sex workers probably aren't altogether attracted to their clients. They're doing what they do for a pay check after all. This is why it's bad manners to fall in love with a stripper or e-girl/boy.
by Punished UMN » Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:36 pm
by Kowani » Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:54 pm
Fahran wrote:Kowani wrote:If we define “paid” as exclusive to money, no
But that’s a bad definition so we’re not gonna do that
I mean... Taking the transactional nature out of sex work changes it in many respects in much the same way that taking the transactional nature out of building a house with your neighbors changes the nature of construction work.
Punished UMN wrote:Kowani wrote:Bold claim
In its present (or even historical) form, no
Entirely nonexistent? Not so certain
Monetary exchange taking place under socialism wouldn't even be coherent, if all commodities are owned in common and there is not private commodity production or accumulation, then you wouldn't need to be paid for anything anyway. What would you be given for sex work? Nothing you can't already have, so why bother with it? Monetary exchange necessitates that there is an uneven distribution of commodities and commodity accumulation, this is not socialism.
by Galloism » Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:59 pm
Kowani wrote:Fahran wrote:I mean... Taking the transactional nature out of sex work changes it in many respects in much the same way that taking the transactional nature out of building a house with your neighbors changes the nature of construction work.
You can have a transaction without money, ‘RanPunished UMN wrote:Monetary exchange taking place under socialism wouldn't even be coherent, if all commodities are owned in common and there is not private commodity production or accumulation, then you wouldn't need to be paid for anything anyway. What would you be given for sex work? Nothing you can't already have, so why bother with it? Monetary exchange necessitates that there is an uneven distribution of commodities and commodity accumulation, this is not socialism.
Okay I was specifically talking about sex work, not money
Money under socialism is something that while absolutely fascinating, I really don’t wanna try to explain it on my phone and this is also not the thread
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