The NationStates Feminism Thread IV: Fight Like A Girl!

[Celritannia]

But it is true. This data set shows that higher access to birth control and contraceptive means lower rates of abortion.

It's a no brainer to me, especially as a sex positive feminist.

Ok, we'll get into this topic later today as well as the issue of sex-positive feminism in its contemporary sense. For now, I need to get a lot done. Peace be with you.

You cannot stop people doing something that is biological.
So better ensure there are precautions to stop unwanted pregnancies.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

A woman was burned to death by her ex-husband yesterday in Turkey. Turkey should be ashamed !

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It's been my understanding that violence against women is extremely common in Turkey. This includes the murder of spouses, violence against strangers, and, in more rural areas, honor killings of daughters, sisters, and cousins.

It is a result of political Islam because unfortunately we did not provide enough training for them.They want women to knit their heads and worship men, but they are in a war they can never win, secularism will be the winner of this war.

[Giovenith]

It's been my understanding that violence against women is extremely common in Turkey. This includes the murder of spouses, violence against strangers, and, in more rural areas, honor killings of daughters, sisters, and cousins.

It is a result of political Islam because unfortunately we did not provide enough training for them.They want women to knit their heads and worship men, but they are in a war they can never win, secularism will be the winner of this war.

Can you read English very well? If so, I have a book that you might like.

[Fahran]

Condoms and contraception are not the necessary fix we need.

But it is true. This data set shows that higher access to birth control and contraceptive means lower rates of abortion.

It's a no brainer to me, especially as a sex positive feminist.

That's not too surprising given that abortion seems to mostly be used as a fallback for contraception.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Sex ed, condoms, and birth control prevent abortions.

Condoms and contraception are not the necessary fix we need.

You have two choices. Condoms and contraception or abortion.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Sorry, but most of us aren't devoutly religious and have a right to live our lives differently than you live yours.

[Tarsonis]

Condoms and contraception are not the necessary fix we need.

You have two choices. Condoms and contraception or abortion.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Sorry, but most of us aren't devoutly religious and have a right to live our lives differently than you live yours.

At least until the Spanish Inquisition catches you totally unawares.

[Nevertopia]

Why access to safe abortion for girls and women everywhere is the practical, ethical and best solution to unwanted pregnancies as told by a pro-lifer.

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[Giovenith]

Why access to safe abortion for girls and women everywhere is the practical, ethical and best solution to unwanted pregnancies as told by a pro-lifer.

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I remember when this happened. The excuses just kept piling on from the pro-life crowd, all basically boiling down to, "Well, just because I believe someone should take care of it doesn't mean that I should have to!" Oh, so it's okay for you to tell someone else to shut up and deal with it, but not for you to take a taste of your own medicine?

Which reveals their fundamental problem: Most pro-lifers (though to be fair, not all) want all the sentimentalism of feeling like they're "saving babies" but they don't want to have to actually think about or deal with the material consequences of childbirth, which they assume will always fall on someone else.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Condoms and contraception are not the necessary fix we need.

You have two choices. Condoms and contraception or abortion.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Sorry, but most of us aren't devoutly religious and have a right to live our lives differently than you live yours.

I've already tried this. Sun apparently lives on a different plane of existence bryan the rest of us and thinks we can just tell people "don't make sexing" and they will be abstinent.

But as the rest of us know, everyone bangs. Even the religious. Abstinence has never been followed by enough people to make unplanned pregnancy and abortion not a thing. Contraceptives and prophylactic devices have been in use for millenia, as have abortions. Idk if he thinks jesus himself is going to use his magic fingers to make everyone not horny or what.

[Tarsonis]

Why access to safe abortion for girls and women everywhere is the practical, ethical and best solution to unwanted pregnancies as told by a pro-lifer.

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once again thats clearly a troll post

[The Black Forrest]

Sex ed, condoms, and birth control prevent abortions.

Condoms and contraception are not the necessary fix we need.

Vastly superior success rate then abstinence.

Contraception should be standard practice now. The world can only handle so many people. Gone are the days where having many sons was a good thing for the kingdom/empire/country......

[Giovenith]

Heading to my REAL job soon (gasp!), but just wanted to quickly show off my new book that just came in the mail:

It's been cited a lot by good sources, so I'm excited to give it a go.

[Sanghyeok]

Condoms and contraception are not the necessary fix we need.

Vastly superior success rate then abstinence.

Contraception should be standard practice now. The world can only handle so many people. Gone are the days where having many sons was a good thing for the kingdom/empire/country......

I strongly support affordable contraception and realistic sexual education, but we don't need to use the overpopulation myth to justify it.

[Sanghyeok]

Sex ed, condoms, and birth control prevent abortions.

Condoms and contraception are not the necessary fix we need.

Then your other option is abortions.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

You have two choices. Condoms and contraception or abortion.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Sorry, but most of us aren't devoutly religious and have a right to live our lives differently than you live yours.

At least until the Spanish Inquisition catches you totally unawares.

I didn't expect the Spanish inquisition.

[Sundiata]

At least until the Spanish Inquisition catches you totally unawares.

I didn't expect the Spanish inquisition.

Noone does.

[New haven america]

I remember when this happened. The excuses just kept piling on from the pro-life crowd, all basically boiling down to, "Well, just because I believe someone should take care of it doesn't mean that I should have to!" Oh, so it's okay for you to tell someone else to shut up and deal with it, but not for you to take a taste of your own medicine?

Which reveals their fundamental problem: Most pro-lifers (though to be fair, not all) want all the sentimentalism of feeling like they're "saving babies" but they don't want to have to actually think about or deal with the material consequences of childbirth, which they assume will always fall on someone else.

I mean, that's the thing with most authoritarians, specifically on the Right-Wing as is the case above.

Rules for thee but not for me~

[Fahran]

You cannot stop people doing something that is biological.
So better ensure there are precautions to stop unwanted pregnancies.

I dislike the implications of this both for personal behavior and for policy. We absolutely try to curb certain biological impulses, with varying degrees of success. The way this is worded plays as a rehashing of the "human nature" argument.

[Fahran]

At least until the Spanish Inquisition catches you totally unawares.

I didn't expect a sort of Spanish Inquisition.

[Fahran]

Heading to my REAL job soon (gasp!), but just wanted to quickly show off my new book that just came in the mail:

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It's been cited a lot by good sources, so I'm excited to give it a go.

It looks fascinating.

[Sundiata]

Condoms and contraception are not the necessary fix we need.

But it is true. This data set shows that higher access to birth control and contraceptive means lower rates of abortion.

It's a no brainer to me, especially as a sex positive feminist.

So let's tackle this topic because you're missing the point a little bit.

Why must sexual actions and intercourse must be open to the creation of human life? It all goes back to what I was saying before about essence and being. Eassence: what a thing is, it's nature. How do we discover that? By identifying what it is for. For example, a bed is to rest in. Things that we rest in therefore, have the nature of a bed. Things we rest our heads upon, the nature of a pillow. So on, so forth.

While we can rest our heads upon pillows and rest upon beds, we can also use these things for our own self interested purposes. You could rest your head upon a bed or maybe rest your body upon a pillow or series of pillows. Now, that doesn't try to make a pillow a bed or a bed a pillow. We're clearly not using these items for what they are. We're still not violating what the a pillow is or a bed is, just using it for a different purpose.

Now, let's take a step back and talk about sex. What is sex? What is sex for? The nature of sex is for procreation and uniting the couple. Pertaining to the couple uniting, the body releases chemicals during sex that are bonding hormones. They're meant to build affection and oriented towards procreation. Sex is the single human act that ends in or can end in conception, which is where life begins as we established before. Unity and procreation.

Now, the nature of sex is unity in procreation. That doesn't mean that we can't use it for more self-interested purposes. For example, a husband and wife who want to procreate who decide to have sex to create a life. Or for example, a couple who decide to have sex to experience the unity of sex moreso for that purpose than creating a life.These two things are permissible because we're not working against the nature of sex in either of the two instances.

Back to our pillow and bed example. If you're using the pillow to as a cup holder, for example that would violate the nature of the pillow. There's some things that we can do that don't violate the nature of pillows, beds, sex, but there's some things we do that can. Contraception works against the nature of sex, conception. It's contra-ception, right? It's not just having sex and not getting pregnant. It's violating the nature of sex. We can't work against conception without violating what sex is for.

Sources:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/your-neurochemical-self/201802/the-neurochemistry-love

https://faculty.fordham.edu/klima/Blackwell-proofs/MP_C30.pdf

[Kowani]

But it is true. This data set shows that higher access to birth control and contraceptive means lower rates of abortion.

It's a no brainer to me, especially as a sex positive feminist.

So let's tackle this topic because you're missing the point a little bit.

Why must sexual actions and intercourse must be open to the creation of human life? It all goes back to what I was saying before about essence and being. Eassence: what a thing is, it's nature. How do we discover that? By identifying what it is for. For example, a bed is to rest in. Things that we rest in therefore, have the nature of a bed. Things we rest our heads upon, the nature of a pillow. So on, so forth.

While we can rest our heads upon pillows and rest upon beds, we can also use these things for our own self interested purposes. You could rest your head upon a bed or maybe rest your body upon a pillow or series of pillows. Now, that doesn't try to make a pillow a bed or a bed a pillow. We're clearly not using these items for what they are. We're still not violating what the a pillow is or a bed is, just using it for a different purpose.

Now, let's take a step back and talk about sex. What is sex? What is sex for? The nature of sex is for procreation and uniting the couple. Pertaining to the couple uniting, the body releases chemicals during sex that are bonding hormones. They're meant to build affection and oriented towards procreation. Sex is the single human act that ends in or can end in conception, which is where life begins as we established before. Unity and procreation.

Now, the nature of sex is unity in procreation. That doesn't mean that we can't use it for more self-interested purposes. For example, a husband and wife who want to procreate who decide to have sex to create a life. Or for example, a couple who decide to have sex to experience the unity of sex over creating a life. These two things are permissible because we're not working against the nature of sex in either of the two instances.

Back to our pillow and bed example. If you're using the pillow to as a cup holder, for example that would violate the nature of the pillow. There's some things that we can do that don't violate the nature of pillows, beds, sex, but there's some things we do that can. Contraception works against the nature of sex, conception. It's contra-ception, right? It's not just having sex and not getting pregnant. It's violating the nature of sex. We can't work against conception without violating what sex is for.

Sources:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/your-neurochemical-self/201802/the-neurochemistry-love

https://faculty.fordham.edu/klima/Blackwell-proofs/MP_C30.pdf

odd
sex with a contraceptive also brings unity and triggers happy neurochemistry
so what exactly is the problem?

[Sundiata]

So let's tackle this topic because you're missing the point a little bit.

Why must sexual actions and intercourse must be open to the creation of human life? It all goes back to what I was saying before about essence and being. Eassence: what a thing is, it's nature. How do we discover that? By identifying what it is for. For example, a bed is to rest in. Things that we rest in therefore, have the nature of a bed. Things we rest our heads upon, the nature of a pillow. So on, so forth.

While we can rest our heads upon pillows and rest upon beds, we can also use these things for our own self interested purposes. You could rest your head upon a bed or maybe rest your body upon a pillow or series of pillows. Now, that doesn't try to make a pillow a bed or a bed a pillow. We're clearly not using these items for what they are. We're still not violating what the a pillow is or a bed is, just using it for a different purpose.

Now, let's take a step back and talk about sex. What is sex? What is sex for? The nature of sex is for procreation and uniting the couple. Pertaining to the couple uniting, the body releases chemicals during sex that are bonding hormones. They're meant to build affection and oriented towards procreation. Sex is the single human act that ends in or can end in conception, which is where life begins as we established before. Unity and procreation.

Now, the nature of sex is unity in procreation. That doesn't mean that we can't use it for more self-interested purposes. For example, a husband and wife who want to procreate who decide to have sex to create a life. Or for example, a couple who decide to have sex to experience the unity of sex over creating a life. These two things are permissible because we're not working against the nature of sex in either of the two instances.

Back to our pillow and bed example. If you're using the pillow to as a cup holder, for example that would violate the nature of the pillow. There's some things that we can do that don't violate the nature of pillows, beds, sex, but there's some things we do that can. Contraception works against the nature of sex, conception. It's contra-ception, right? It's not just having sex and not getting pregnant. It's violating the nature of sex. We can't work against conception without violating what sex is for.

Sources:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/your-neurochemical-self/201802/the-neurochemistry-love

https://faculty.fordham.edu/klima/Blackwell-proofs/MP_C30.pdf

odd
sex with a contraceptive also brings unity and triggers happy neurochemistry
so what exactly is the problem?

Violating the procreative aspect of sex that is also essential to its nature.

[Kowani]

odd
sex with a contraceptive also brings unity and triggers happy neurochemistry
so what exactly is the problem?

Violating the procreative aspect of sex that is also essential to its nature.

but so is a couple which is having sex for the unity aspect
and you said that was okay


this entire argument is bullshit anyway, but it's not even internally coherent bullshit

[Sundiata]

Violating the procreative aspect of sex that is also essential to its nature.

but so is a couple which is having sex for the unity aspect
and you said that was okay


this entire argument is bullshit anyway, but it's not even internally coherent bullshit

Having sex for unity without contracepting. The couple is having sex more for unity than procreation, they're not intentionally violating the procreative nature of sex.