The NationStates Feminism Thread IV: Fight Like A Girl!

[Cekoviu]

we = me and the other misandrists collectively
i'm assuming you use other websites which do also have misandrists on them

I mean, misandrists do use the internet unfortunately. i haven't found/argue with any others. I guess you're just special. Or maybe it's bc I only really argue with people on nsg and your takes are so obviously bad that i don't even need to do 1 google search to prove that they are. it's interesting that you openly admit to being a person who dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against men.

i dont think you've proven anything abt my views so far, and yes, i do dislike men, i wasnt trying to hide that

Ostroeuropa: the term feminist is bad because it's inherently sexist
Cekoviu: the term feminist is bad because it's not inherently sexist

i know this is a meme but i actually think that feminism is inherently exclusionary to men and that's a good thing and it should stay that way, so close but no cigar

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I mean, misandrists do use the internet unfortunately. i haven't found/argue with any others. I guess you're just special. Or maybe it's bc I only really argue with people on nsg and your takes are so obviously bad that i don't even need to do 1 google search to prove that they are. it's interesting that you openly admit to being a person who dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against men.

i dont think you've proven anything abt my views so far, and yes, i do dislike men, i wasnt trying to hide that

Ostroeuropa: the term feminist is bad because it's inherently sexist
Cekoviu: the term feminist is bad because it's not inherently sexist

i know this is a meme but i actually think that feminism is inherently exclusionary to men and that's a good thing and it should stay that way, so close but no cigar

"If you believe in equality, you should be a feminist." - Cekoviu, 2018.

Anyway, stuff like this has me tempted to just embrace liberal, moderate, individualistic feminism. Try and take it back from the TERF types and from... whatever the heck Cek is now. Be the change you want to see in the world and such.

Maybe the best way to achieve men's rights is not by oppsing feminism or fighting it, but by turning feminism into an ally. After all, shouldn't the dominant men's equality movement, and the dominant women's equality movement be united in a perfect world? They do have a common goal.

[Cekoviu]

i dont think you've proven anything abt my views so far, and yes, i do dislike men, i wasnt trying to hide that

i know this is a meme but i actually think that feminism is inherently exclusionary to men and that's a good thing and it should stay that way, so close but no cigar

"If you believe in equality, you should be a feminist." - Cekoviu, 2018.

in 2018 i also thought i was bisexual so i was wrong about a lot of things

Anyway, stuff like this has me tempted to just embrace liberal, moderate, individualistic feminism.

> liberal, individualistic """""feminism"""""
fixed

Try and take it back from the TERF types and from... whatever the heck Cek is now.

swerf is probably the best descriptor

Maybe the best way to achieve men's rights is not by oppsing feminism or fighting it, but by turning feminism into an ally. After all, shouldn't the dominant men's equality movement, and the dominant women's equality movement be united in a perfect world? They do have a common goal.

why are we prioritizing achieving men's rights ffs

[Kowani]

In actual, relevant news and not whatever bs Cek is spluttering about now, Princeton will pay female teachers almost $1 million dollars in back pay as part of a discrimination settlement.

[Cekoviu]

tbh this being an MRA thread instead of a feminist thread isn't because of the forum's demographics, because even on less male-dominated, more left-wing websites, female-only spaces are still invaded by men. this is nothing more than that: men being so entitled that they can't possibly picture there being a space that isn't for them; it's just hidden behind a thin mask of pseudo-argumentation here.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

in 2018 i also thought i was bisexual so i was wrong about a lot of things

You were also right about a lot of things.

> liberal, individualistic """""feminism"""""
fixed

If fighting for equal rights somehow isn't feminism, so be it.

swerf is probably the best descriptor

I don't know. Most SWERFs aren't out and proud authoritarian misandrists.

why are we prioritizing achieving men's rights ffs

Don't get me wrong, I don't think the feminist movement should prioritize men's rights over women's rights. I do think that it would be better strategy for the men's rights movement to take a less antifeminist stance though. And a better world would come if the MRM and the feminist movement were more friendly with each other. And the misogynists and misandrists were ostracized from both movements.

[New haven america]

tbh this being an MRA thread instead of a feminist thread isn't because of the forum's demographics, because even on less male-dominated, more left-wing websites, female-only spaces are still invaded by men. this is nothing more than that: men being so entitled that they can't possibly picture there being a space that isn't for them; it's just hidden behind a thin mask of pseudo-argumentation here.

Nah, this is just a human thing.

Humans are social creatures and want to be involved in anything they can. Women spent a large chunk of the 19th and 20th centuries trying to get into male only organizations and golf clubs for example.

Or sometimes the women only organization falters where the male organization doesn't. Girl Scouts has been on the downswing for a while now because GS is basically a glorified cookie selling company, which caused Boy Scouts to capitalize on this because they A. Still focus on scouting activities, and B. Have a history of running co-ed organizations, so they were able to get ex-GS members to join without much issue.

The fault is with modern feminism and its self-victimization behavior. It can do no wrong and if it does wrong then its not actually its fault.

[New haven america]

"If you believe in equality, you should be a feminist." - Cekoviu, 2018.

in 2018 i also thought i was bisexual so i was wrong about a lot of things

Anyway, stuff like this has me tempted to just embrace liberal, moderate, individualistic feminism.

> liberal, individualistic """""feminism"""""
fixed

Try and take it back from the TERF types and from... whatever the heck Cek is now.

swerf is probably the best descriptor

Maybe the best way to achieve men's rights is not by oppsing feminism or fighting it, but by turning feminism into an ally. After all, shouldn't the dominant men's equality movement, and the dominant women's equality movement be united in a perfect world? They do have a common goal.

why are we prioritizing achieving men's rights ffs

Well, you're wrong about a lot of stuff now, so I guess much hasn't changed.

[Sundiata]

Anyway, I'm of the belief that the abuse which biological women have faced over history is in fact, wrong. Women being educated was not a mistake. Women's suffrage was not a mistake. Women working equally alongside men was not a mistake. Women's pay being equal to men's was not a mistake.

These are issues with support all across the political spectrum, but unfortunately, a lot of people just don't get it. Women's rights are human rights. What I find staggering is the regular points of contention regarding these relatively simple issues.

And yes, I am a feminist.

[Sundiata]

tbh this being an MRA thread instead of a feminist thread isn't because of the forum's demographics, because even on less male-dominated, more left-wing websites, female-only spaces are still invaded by men. this is nothing more than that: men being so entitled that they can't possibly picture there being a space that isn't for them; it's just hidden behind a thin mask of pseudo-argumentation here.

I completely agree, the entitlement that men have to impose themselves inside of women's spaces is not just egregious, but pernicious.

[New haven america]

Anyway, I'm of the belief that the abuse which biological women have faced over history is in fact, wrong. Women being educated was not a mistake. Women's suffrage was not a mistake. Women working equally alongside men was not a mistake. Women's pay being equal to men's was not a mistake.

These are issues with support all across the political spectrum, but unfortunately, a lot of people just don't get it. Women's rights are human rights. What I find staggering is the regular points of contention regarding these relatively simple issues.

And yes, I am a feminist.

Can this be considered spam?

Are we at the point where this can be counted as spam? Yes, this is a serious question.

[Sundiata]

Anyway, I'm of the belief that the abuse which biological women have faced over history is in fact, wrong. Women being educated was not a mistake. Women's suffrage was not a mistake. Women working equally alongside men was not a mistake. Women's pay being equal to men's was not a mistake.

These are issues with support all across the political spectrum, but unfortunately, a lot of people just don't get it. Women's rights are human rights. What I find staggering is the regular points of contention regarding these relatively simple issues.

And yes, I am a feminist.

Can this be considered spam?

Are we at the point where this can be counted as spam? Yes, this is a serious question.

My post is not spam, this is the first time I've discussed particular issues like women's suffrage or equal pay.

[Cekoviu]

in 2018 i also thought i was bisexual so i was wrong about a lot of things

You were also right about a lot of things.

i mean, i was right about bugs being cool and socialism being the right way, i guess?

> liberal, individualistic """""feminism"""""
fixed

If fighting for equal rights somehow isn't feminism, so be it.

it be

swerf is probably the best descriptor

I don't know. Most SWERFs aren't out and proud authoritarian misandrists.

the core of our beliefs are similar even if i choose to express them in a different way than some, and also quite a few that i know are fairly authoritarian and (justifiably) misandrist

why are we prioritizing achieving men's rights ffs

Don't get me wrong, I don't think the feminist movement should prioritize men's rights over women's rights. I do think that it would be better strategy for the men's rights movement to take a less antifeminist stance though. And a better world would come if the MRM and the feminist movement were more friendly with each other. And the misogynists and misandrists were ostracized from both movements.

more like OSTROcized ha
and tbh there are virtually no MRAs who aren't misogynists so like that basically defeats the point

The fault is with modern feminism and its self-victimization behavior. It can do no wrong and if it does wrong then its not actually its fault.

the amount of irony in these 2 sentences could feed the whole of africa

Well, you're wrong about a lot of stuff now, so I guess much hasn't changed.

continuing with the innovative insults, i see. brava!

tbh this being an MRA thread instead of a feminist thread isn't because of the forum's demographics, because even on less male-dominated, more left-wing websites, female-only spaces are still invaded by men. this is nothing more than that: men being so entitled that they can't possibly picture there being a space that isn't for them; it's just hidden behind a thin mask of pseudo-argumentation here.

I completely agree, the entitlement that men have to impose themselves inside of women's spaces is not just egregious, but pernicious.

you are a man inserting your catholicism into the feminist thread, you are part of the problem

[New haven america]

You were also right about a lot of things.

i mean, i was right about bugs being cool and socialism being the right way, i guess?

If fighting for equal rights somehow isn't feminism, so be it.

it be

I don't know. Most SWERFs aren't out and proud authoritarian misandrists.

the core of our beliefs are similar even if i choose to express them in a different way than some, and also quite a few that i know are fairly authoritarian and (justifiably) misandrist

Don't get me wrong, I don't think the feminist movement should prioritize men's rights over women's rights. I do think that it would be better strategy for the men's rights movement to take a less antifeminist stance though. And a better world would come if the MRM and the feminist movement were more friendly with each other. And the misogynists and misandrists were ostracized from both movements.

more like OSTROcized ha
and tbh there are virtually no MRAs who aren't misogynists so like that basically defeats the point

The fault is with modern feminism and its self-victimization behavior. It can do no wrong and if it does wrong then its not actually its fault.

1. the amount of irony in these 2 sentences could feed the whole of africa

Well, you're wrong about a lot of stuff now, so I guess much hasn't changed.

2. continuing with the innovative insults, i see. brava!

I completely agree, the entitlement that men have to impose themselves inside of women's spaces is not just egregious, but pernicious.

you are a man inserting your catholicism into the feminist thread, you are part of the problem

1. All this reply shows is that you don't know what irony means.
2. If you choose to view facts as insults, sure.

[Sundiata]

I've had conversations with women who were abused at the hands of their boyfriends and spouses before. In fact, I've seen the aftermath of violence that particular women have faced at the hands of these men and it's, in my opinion, one of the ugliest things in the world. It's sad to an underfunded system of criminal justice in the United States. Our country is not a safe place for women. Our mothers, our daughters, and our sisters have quite a lot to be worried about.

When I talk about rape culture, I'm talking about our culture, our system, the language we use to speak of women. It's really a mess. We can't dismiss the red flags of sexual assault as "locker room talk' or domestic violence as a "lover's spat." Crimes like rape have an unreasonably low conviction rate.

A world unsafe for any woman is a world unsafe for all women.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

tbh this being an MRA thread instead of a feminist thread isn't because of the forum's demographics, because even on less male-dominated, more left-wing websites, female-only spaces are still invaded by men. this is nothing more than that: men being so entitled that they can't possibly picture there being a space that isn't for them; it's just hidden behind a thin mask of pseudo-argumentation here.

People, regardless of gender or ideology, uniting against a misandrist makes this an MRA thread, does it?

[Cekoviu]

1. All this reply shows is that you don't know what irony is.
2. If you choose to view facts as insults, sure.

read:
"1. waaa mommy tell the mean internet lady that definitions dont shift and words cant possibly not mean the same thing as they did 150 years ago or have colloquial uses
2. facts don't care about your feelings libtard!!!!! epic troll'd!!1one" (this would be much better with emoji but this ANCIENT goddamn forum software WON'T LET ME USE THEM)

[Sundiata]

you are a man inserting your catholicism into the feminist thread, you are part of the problem

I don't think that the two are mutually exclusive, I see trends within the feminist movement as the logical extension of my faith.

That said, I sincerely respect you and your opinion, you also have my full attention.

[Cekoviu]

tbh this being an MRA thread instead of a feminist thread isn't because of the forum's demographics, because even on less male-dominated, more left-wing websites, female-only spaces are still invaded by men. this is nothing more than that: men being so entitled that they can't possibly picture there being a space that isn't for them; it's just hidden behind a thin mask of pseudo-argumentation here.

People, regardless of gender or ideology, uniting against a misandrist makes this an MRA thread, does it?

look, i realize u came back recently, but i'm not exaggerating here. the "feminist thread" has been an MRA hangout for years, long before i was a misandrist. the most prolific posters were pretty much just ostro, that one mgtow guy whose name i forgot, and gallo, soooo

[New haven america]

1. All this reply shows is that you don't know what irony is.
2. If you choose to view facts as insults, sure.

read:
"1. waaa mommy tell the mean internet lady that definitions dont shift and words cant possibly not mean the same thing as they did 150 years ago or have colloquial uses
2. facts don't care about your feelings libtard!!!!! epic troll'd!!1one" (this would be much better with emoji but this ANCIENT goddamn forum software WON'T LET ME USE THEM)

This is why the modern feminist movement is failing to make the same gains the other waves did.

[Cekoviu]

you are a man inserting your catholicism into the feminist thread, you are part of the problem

I don't think that the two are mutually exclusive, I see trends within the feminist movement as the logical extension of my faith.

catholicism is inherently patriarchal my dude

That said, I sincerely respect you and your opinion, you also have my full attention.

omg could you be any more patronizing

[New haven america]

People, regardless of gender or ideology, uniting against a misandrist makes this an MRA thread, does it?

look, i realize u came back recently, but i'm not exaggerating here. the "feminist thread" has been an MRA hangout for years, long before i was a misandrist. the most prolific posters were pretty much just ostro, that one mgtow guy whose name i forgot, and gallo, soooo

Costa!

He ironically doesn't like it when you ask him when he's going his own way.

[Cekoviu]

read:
"1. waaa mommy tell the mean internet lady that definitions dont shift and words cant possibly not mean the same thing as they did 150 years ago or have colloquial uses
2. facts don't care about your feelings libtard!!!!! epic troll'd!!1one" (this would be much better with emoji but this ANCIENT goddamn forum software WON'T LET ME USE THEM)

This is why the modern feminist movement is failing to make the same gains the other waves did.

you guys need to get your story straight. on the one hand, we have a massive amount of lobbying power and are making it impossible for men to be in the same room as women without getting accused of rape; on the other, we've made no progress compared to the first, second, and third waves

[Cekoviu]

look, i realize u came back recently, but i'm not exaggerating here. the "feminist thread" has been an MRA hangout for years, long before i was a misandrist. the most prolific posters were pretty much just ostro, that one mgtow guy whose name i forgot, and gallo, soooo

Costa!

He ironically doesn't like it when you ask him when he's going his own way.

oh yeah that's who it was thx

[Sundiata]

I don't think that the two are mutually exclusive, I see trends within the feminist movement as the logical extension of my faith.

catholicism is inherently patriarchal my dude

That said, I sincerely respect you and your opinion, you also have my full attention.

omg could you be any more patronizing

Catholicism is not inherently patriarchal. It's balanced.

We might disagree with respect to issues like abortion, for instance, but there's a lot more common ground between the two of us than you think.