The NationStates Feminism Thread IV: Fight Like A Girl!

[United Hemand Insia]

I saw this post on Instagram and it basically said that women voting for Trump is suicide. SMH. The world is truly going to end.

[Cekoviu]

Bug nerds are best nerds.

*squeezes his Skitter plushie*

oh please don't agree with me ostro

[The Rich Port]

Bug nerds are best nerds.

*squeezes his Skitter plushie*

oh please don't agree with me ostro

You have nobody to blame but yourself.

If you had read LOTR you woulda know to... Alright look I'm a bad LOTR nerd OK.

Um. Glorfindel

I saw this post on Instagram and it basically said that women voting for Trump is suicide. SMH. The world is truly going to end.

Think you misread that. It's POLITICAL suicide.

Which yeah.

[Ostroeuropa]

oh please don't agree with me ostro

You have nobody to blame but yourself.

If you had read LOTR you woulda know to... Alright look I'm a bad LOTR nerd OK.

Um. Glorfindel

I saw this post on Instagram and it basically said that women voting for Trump is suicide. SMH. The world is truly going to end.

Think you misread that. It's POLITICAL suicide.

Which yeah.

How so? Plenty of women support an alt-right and far-right agenda and want it enforced on society. Let's suppose they even straight up repealed womens right to vote.

That would still not be political suicide for women. Example, the daughters of the confederacy were able to massively impact society to the point we're still dealing with their bullshit based on the idea that women were inherently "Non-political" and non-partisan, well before they had the right to vote. This was a common strategy by womens organizations historically to force change on society while delegitimizing criticism and opposition through the claim that women weren't able to be political so the person criticizing them had no idea what they were talking about and clearly just had personal failings.

They completely transformed southern society. If anything it's similar to the "When we do it, it's not sexism" meme we're seeing from women in the modern day. (Which ironically relies on a continuation of the former mentality and denial women had a major role in shaping society.).

Second verse, same as the first.

Works like this tbh:
https://youtu.be/JTfhYyTuT44?t=4248

From here onwards. This entire part of the video describes how feminists operate and how women have historically operated in politics. It is not a coincidence QAnon is mostly women too.

So long as our society continues to believe that if women as a group are upset with a man there's something wrong with the man, so long as it continues to axiomatically reject the notion there might instead be something wrong with women as a group, political suicide for women is not possible. Because they have, can, and will exploit that dynamic to achieve their political goals while denying it.

The key is for men to internalize that rick and morty quote

"Your boo's mean nothing to me, i've seen what makes you cheer.".

[Cekoviu]

OH MY GOD OSTRO HOW ARE YOU UNIRONICALLY, IN ONE POST
a. implying you think "gynocentrism" has existed as far back as the 19th century in the USA
b. believing in QAnon
c. quoting r*ck and morty

[Sundiata]

Throughout most of human history, I think that men have abused women. Especially men of upper class backgrounds. It's an unfortunate reality to face but it's an important reality to reconcile if we ever are going to have any hope of treating women with the utmost dignity and respect.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Throughout most of human history, I think that men have abused women. Especially men of upper class backgrounds. It's an unfortunate reality to face but it's an important reality to reconcile if we ever are going to have any hope of treating women with the utmost dignity and respect.

i too like peppering my statements with the word reality to make them seem incontrovertible truths and ignore the reality that for much of that period my belief system underpinned that reality.

reality.

[Sundiata]

Throughout most of human history, I think that men have abused women. Especially men of upper class backgrounds. It's an unfortunate reality to face but it's an important reality to reconcile if we ever are going to have any hope of treating women with the utmost dignity and respect.

i too like peppering my statements with the word reality to make them seem incontrovertible truths and ignore the reality that for much of that period my belief system underpinned that reality.

reality.

That isn't true at all. If anything, my belief system has saved women from abuse in spite of cultures that unfortunately promote it.

[Cekoviu]

i too like peppering my statements with the word reality to make them seem incontrovertible truths and ignore the reality that for much of that period my belief system underpinned that reality.

reality.

That isn't true at all. If anything, my belief system has saved women from abuse in spite of cultures that unfortunately promote it.

um

no

[Dumb Ideologies]

i too like peppering my statements with the word reality to make them seem incontrovertible truths and ignore the reality that for much of that period my belief system underpinned that reality.

reality.

That isn't true at all. If anything, my belief system has saved women from abuse in spite of cultures that unfortunately promote it.

Oh wow my friend, this is an intriguing hypothesis.

[Purgatio]

You have nobody to blame but yourself.

If you had read LOTR you woulda know to... Alright look I'm a bad LOTR nerd OK.

Um. Glorfindel



Think you misread that. It's POLITICAL suicide.

Which yeah.

How so? Plenty of women support an alt-right and far-right agenda and want it enforced on society. Let's suppose they even straight up repealed womens right to vote.

That would still not be political suicide for women. Example, the daughters of the confederacy were able to massively impact society to the point we're still dealing with their bullshit based on the idea that women were inherently "Non-political" and non-partisan, well before they had the right to vote. This was a common strategy by womens organizations historically to force change on society while delegitimizing criticism and opposition through the claim that women weren't able to be political so the person criticizing them had no idea what they were talking about and clearly just had personal failings.

They completely transformed southern society. If anything it's similar to the "When we do it, it's not sexism" meme we're seeing from women in the modern day. (Which ironically relies on a continuation of the former mentality and denial women had a major role in shaping society.).

Second verse, same as the first.

Works like this tbh:
https://youtu.be/JTfhYyTuT44?t=4248

From here onwards. This entire part of the video describes how feminists operate and how women have historically operated in politics. It is not a coincidence QAnon is mostly women too.

So long as our society continues to believe that if women as a group are upset with a man there's something wrong with the man, so long as it continues to axiomatically reject the notion there might instead be something wrong with women as a group, political suicide for women is not possible. Because they have, can, and will exploit that dynamic to achieve their political goals while denying it.

The key is for men to internalize that rick and morty quote

"Your boo's mean nothing to me, i've seen what makes you cheer.".

So many, many, many men in the South who owned slaves, were part of the slaver political class, dominated Southern State Legislatures, voted for secession motions, gathered State militias, fought in the Confederate army, controlled and commanded troops to battle the Union....but instead, you overlook the role and influence of all those male Confederate leaders, and you zero in, in isolation, on the power and influence that a tiny sliver of extremely-wealthy Southern women had (the United Daughters of the Confederacy), and unironically try and paint the 19th Century American South as this female-dominated society where Southern women wielded so much incredible political influence to dominate over Southern men and "delegitimise criticism and opposition".

But apparently not powerful enough to actually get equal legal rights with Southern men.

[Sundiata]

That isn't true at all. If anything, my belief system has saved women from abuse in spite of cultures that unfortunately promote it.

um

no

Yes. Rape culture is a problem.

[New haven america]

So apparently Bill Burr pissed of a lot of white ladies by claiming that a lot of them coopted the Woke movement and entrenched it in toxic feminism as well, and yet got away with it.

I mean, can't say he's wrong.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

So apparently Bill Burr pissed of a lot of white ladies by claiming that a lot of them coopted the Woke movement and entrenched it in toxic feminism as well, and yet got away with it.

I mean, can't say he's wrong.

Let them be mad. He's right.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

um

no

Yes. Rape culture is a problem.

The catholic church tolerates rape culture not only against women, but even more so against young men.

[The Rich Port]

So many, many, many men in the South who owned slaves, were part of the slaver political class, dominated Southern State Legislatures, voted for secession motions, gathered State militias, fought in the Confederate army, controlled and commanded troops to battle the Union....but instead, you overlook the role and influence of all those male Confederate leaders, and you zero in, in isolation, on the power and influence that a tiny sliver of extremely-wealthy Southern women had (the United Daughters of the Confederacy), and unironically try and paint the 19th Century American South as this female-dominated society where Southern women wielded so much incredible political influence to dominate over Southern men and "delegitimise criticism and opposition".

But apparently not powerful enough to actually get equal legal rights with Southern men.

Clearly the right to vote is detrimental to everyone and should be taken away too. The mental gymnastics of pseudo-fascists amirite.

Also, Ostro, you missed like 99% of the video talking about how Q-Anon is wrong. But apparently an hour is too long for some people to stop being deliberately ignorant.

[Sundiata]

So apparently Bill Burr pissed of a lot of white ladies by claiming that a lot of them coopted the Woke movement and entrenched it in toxic feminism as well, and yet got away with it.

I mean, can't say he's wrong.

Honestly, I think that these conversations aren't the most fruitful. What we should be trying to do is get everyone in lockstep, our society is too divided.

[Farnhamia]

So apparently Bill Burr pissed of a lot of white ladies by claiming that a lot of them coopted the Woke movement and entrenched it in toxic feminism as well, and yet got away with it.

I mean, can't say he's wrong.

Bill Burr? You mean Bill BArr, the Attorney-General?

[Cekoviu]

So apparently Bill Burr pissed of a lot of white ladies by claiming that a lot of them coopted the Woke movement and entrenched it in toxic feminism as well, and yet got away with it.

I mean, can't say he's wrong.

Bill Burr? You mean Bill BArr, the Attorney-General?

nope, he is referring to the "comedian"

[Sundiata]

Yes. Rape culture is a problem.

The catholic church tolerates rape culture not only against women, but even more so against young men.

No, not the entire Catholic Church.

[Farnhamia]

Bill Burr? You mean Bill BArr, the Attorney-General?

nope, he is referring to the "comedian"

Right. There ought to be a law. Carry on.

[Giovenith]

The catholic church tolerates rape culture not only against women, but even more so against young men.

No, not the entire Catholic Church.

That doesn't matter a single lick. Your leaders, even the supposedly forward-thinking Francis, are directly responsible for perpetuating it. I couldn't care less that some homey little local Catholic parish might not be personally involved, all of the people who actually matter in your system are directly aiding and protecting child rapists, and they are largely able to do so because of the power and influence given to them by people like you who think that frowning disapprovingly while not lifting a finger to do a damn thing about it is good enough.

And that's not even getting into the atrocious way the Bible itself addresses rape.

[Cordel One]

The catholic church tolerates rape culture not only against women, but even more so against young men.

No, not the entire Catholic Church.

Their upper ranks do seem much more interested in keeping it quiet than actually fighting it...

[Sundiata]

No, not the entire Catholic Church.

Their upper ranks do seem much more interested in keeping it quiet than actually fighting it...

Not today, not Pope Francis.

[Cordel One]

Their upper ranks do seem much more interested in keeping it quiet than actually fighting it...

Not today, not Pope Francis.

He made a few comments on it, but that's about it unless he did something I don't know about (which is entirely possible)