The NationStates Feminism Thread IV: Fight Like A Girl!

[Forsher]

Let's put on our cynic hats for a moment...

Maori and Pasifika boys make for great victims in the Oppression Olympics. There is a strong risk that you get programmes that are targeted specifically to them (to the neglect of boys as a wider class interest) but the bleeding hearts have never been unhappy with too few interventions.

Of course, if you're trying to defeat feminist capture of policymaking by exploiting intersectionalism you simultaneously risk offending the delicate sensibilities of the wealth classes and getting no-where. So the obvious solution is to propose a policy which nominally accomplishes the original intention whilst simultaneously making everything nice for Karen's darling little Georgia...

tl;dr -- this is how you end up with fees free as a flagship education policy

But to continue with the cynical hat... I'm not sure what one would actually do to fix this, anyway.

It's pretty simple. Rally people to be hostile to feminists and women who support those policies and the status quo, damage their allies who hold them up until they disown them. (Through boycotting businesses and so on.). Make feminists pariahs and make them political suicide to be associated with.

They're already deeply unpopular, it's just they have captured institutions. Take the institutions back and tell dear little Karen she can go fuck herself. Begin purging academia and cracking down on social media.

Yes, but what would actually fix the education gap?

[Ostroeuropa]

It's pretty simple. Rally people to be hostile to feminists and women who support those policies and the status quo, damage their allies who hold them up until they disown them. (Through boycotting businesses and so on.). Make feminists pariahs and make them political suicide to be associated with.

They're already deeply unpopular, it's just they have captured institutions. Take the institutions back and tell dear little Karen she can go fuck herself. Begin purging academia and cracking down on social media.

Yes, but what would actually fix the education gap?

It's a wide ranging issue.

Firstly we'd need a campaign to stop mothers from psychologically abusing male children and resources directed to male children with this in mind to combat the negative effects modern womanhood has on them through stuff like the boys don't cry meme that causes their emotional intelligence to atrophy, which is a vital skill in the modern schooling system. More fathers rights groups, more mens rights rhetoric in society teaching men to recognize it, more rights and legal protections for men who want to seek divorce and primary custody from mothers who behave that way, potentially jailing mothers who are extreme cases and so on.

Secondly we'd need to end the fatherless epidemic, itself a wide ranging topic requiring a number of reforms. That would mean combating feminist propoganda about men being superfluous to the household, reframing the "wage gap" issue into it's more appropriate "work-life balance gap" version and thus marginalizing feminists there too, and so on.

Thirdly, we'd need to combat the feminization of society and the school system, root out feminist propoganda and demonization of males and male traits, and so on. Part of the issue is that girls are seen as better than boys because we have decided male behaviors are bad, and female ones are good.

Fourth, more male teachers. That would mean marginalizing feminists and their endless demonization of men and male sexuality and fostering of paranoia about them.

Fifth, given the awareness boys have that female teachers grade them lower (studies show they're aware this happens), and that this causes them to lose motivation, we could prohibit female teachers from grading male students and make this clear to male students. At least until such a time as women get their shit together. Or we could make it clear to male students that they have a right to request a male marker. This would entail openly calling out the fact female teachers are worse than male ones and have been for decades, along with some other stuff. That is going to be resisted fiercely by feminist lobbies for a wide range of reasons.

Sixth, taking the lunch hour and dividing it into 30 minutes for lunch, and taking the two extra 15 minutes and scattering them throughout the day to have more breaks will benefit all students, but male students in particular due to their higher levels of energy that need expending and how this pent up energy is treated as deviant by the school system since it uses girls as the standard against which boys are judged negatively for being different. Since feminists are vested in arguing the opposite is true and males are seen as the default, this means marginalizing their influence.

Seventh, a review of the literature and aiming for more boy friendly books and learning. This is likely to piss of people who think there's no such thing because they view women as default and see no problem with the literature and learning styles already available. (The "Blank slate" style feminism that categorically denies differences between the sexes and argues suggestions there's inherent differences are misogynistic, all while ignoring that this benefits girls if *their preferences are treated as a "Blank" default, and then boys mistreated for failing to be the same as girls.).

Eight, apply the boy friendly practices some other schools have already to some degree of success. (Private schools and, surprise, it's usually left wing progressive types who throw a shitfit over the suggestions like stricter uniform codes for boys and girls, more discipline, martial atmosphere and so on.).

Nine, if necessary, additional hours of schooling for boys until the gap closes.

Ten, immediately sack all lobbyists and teachers who throw a fit about trying to tackle the crisis where that objection is phrased or framed in terms of downplaying it, excusing it, and so on, rather than objecting to specific policy examples. Hound misandrists out of the education system.

There's hundreds of potential solutions because there's hundreds of problems feeding into it. Society is absolutely awash with misandry. Honestly boy only schools run by MRAs would be a decent start. Re-segregating the school system may be the best option for now.

Affirmative action should also be considered.

[Sundiata]

I've come to realize that a lot of men have this sense of entitlement. They'll oppose modern iterations of feminism, lambast women for overlooking weak men for relationships. It's pathetic. It's like, what do you have to offer a woman? Get off your rear and carry your cross, go to church, put effort in at work and school. Be a good man, provide for your wife, get married.

[Sundiata]

It's pretty simple. Rally people to be hostile to feminists and women who support those policies and the status quo, damage their allies who hold them up until they disown them. (Through boycotting businesses and so on.). Make feminists pariahs and make them political suicide to be associated with.

They're already deeply unpopular, it's just they have captured institutions. Take the institutions back and tell dear little Karen she can go fuck herself. Begin purging academia and cracking down on social media.

Yes, but what would actually fix the education gap?

I think we're too soft on young men today.

Men shouldn't be sitting around playing video games, living with mommy, they should be out there trying to make something of themselves and actually be useful to a family, useful to society, and useful to a woman. Men need to learn early that God's love is unconditional while success in this life is not.

[Dumb Ideologies]

I've come to realize that a lot of men have this sense of entitlement. They'll oppose modern iterations of feminism, lambast women for overlooking weak men for relationships. It's pathetic. It's like, what do you have to offer a woman? Get off your rear and carry your cross, go to church, put effort in at work and school. Be a good man, provide for your wife, get married.

Local cultist OWNS men's rights activists. "Go to church, stop being lazy."

[Sundiata]

I've come to realize that a lot of men have this sense of entitlement. They'll oppose modern iterations of feminism, lambast women for overlooking weak men for relationships. It's pathetic. It's like, what do you have to offer a woman? Get off your rear and carry your cross, go to church, put effort in at work and school. Be a good man, provide for your wife, get married.

Local cultist OWNS men's rights activists. "Go to church, stop being lazy."

[Ors Might]

Local cultist OWNS men's rights activists. "Go to church, stop being lazy."

That is the short of what you posted. “Don’t complain if you feel like the gender norms society forces upon you are unhealthy, just shut up and go to church”

[Sundiata]

That is the short of what you posted. “Don’t complain if you feel like the gender norms society forces upon you are unhealthy, just shut up and go to church”

There's nothing to be gained in whining about feminism. I get it, life isn't easy but you can't stop trying just because it's hard. Women aren't going to change until men change.

If you don't like abortion, birth control, promiscuity, the church has a place for you. My question for you is, are you just going to whine online or are you going to carry your cross and fix it?

Are you going to raise a family free of the influence of modern feminism or not? Don't tell me it can't be done, because the Amish do it.

Yeah, I'm telling you to stop whining and go to church.

[Dumb Ideologies]

That is the short of what you posted. “Don’t complain if you feel like the gender norms society forces upon you are unhealthy, just shut up and go to church”

There's nothing to be gained in whining about feminism. I get it, life isn't easy but you can't stop trying just because it's hard. Women aren't going to change until men change.

If you don't like abortion, birth control, promiscuity, the church has a place for you. My question for you is, are you just going to whine online or are you going to carry your cross and fix it?

Are you going to raise a family free of the influence of modern feminism or not? Don't tell me it can't be done, because the Amish do it.

Yeah, I'm telling you to stop whining and go to church.

Do you apply a similar "shut up and go to church" standard to women who complain about the patriarchy?

Curious if you reject out of hand every social group's complaints about society with oversimplistic bluster or you just have internalised misandry.

[Sundiata]

There's nothing to be gained in whining about feminism. I get it, life isn't easy but you can't stop trying just because it's hard. Women aren't going to change until men change.

If you don't like abortion, birth control, promiscuity, the church has a place for you. My question for you is, are you just going to whine online or are you going to carry your cross and fix it?

Are you going to raise a family free of the influence of modern feminism or not? Don't tell me it can't be done, because the Amish do it.

Yeah, I'm telling you to stop whining and go to church.

Do you apply a similar "shut up and go to church" standard to women who complain about the patriarchy?

Curious if you reject out of hand every social group's complaints about society with oversimplistic bluster or you just have internalised misandry.

The same standard applies to both men and women, yes.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Do you apply a similar "shut up and go to church" standard to women who complain about the patriarchy?

Curious if you reject out of hand every social group's complaints about society with oversimplistic bluster or you just have internalised misandry.

The same standard applies to both men and women, yes.

No matter the social problem, just slap on that Jesus flex tape.

[Sundiata]

The same standard applies to both men and women, yes.

No matter the social problem, just slap on that Jesus flex tape.

You're practically Opus Dei.

[Ors Might]

That is the short of what you posted. “Don’t complain if you feel like the gender norms society forces upon you are unhealthy, just shut up and go to church”

There's nothing to be gained in whining about feminism. I get it, life isn't easy but you can't stop trying just because it's hard. Women aren't going to change until men change.

If you don't like abortion, birth control, promiscuity, the church has a place for you. My question for you is, are you just going to whine online or are you going to carry your cross and fix it?

Are you going to raise a family free of the influence of modern feminism or not? Don't tell me it can't be done, because the Amish do it.

Yeah, I'm telling you to stop whining and go to church.

My problems with feminism has absolutely fuck all to do with any of that bullshit. My problems with feminism is that segments of it have continuously downplayed the problem of male victims of sexual and domestic violence. But sure, I’m whining.

[Galloism]

The same standard applies to both men and women, yes.

No matter the social problem, just slap on that Jesus flex tape.

You should have taken the extra few minutes of effort and made it a meme.

[The Blaatschapen]

That is the short of what you posted. “Don’t complain if you feel like the gender norms society forces upon you are unhealthy, just shut up and go to church”

There's nothing to be gained in whining about feminism. I get it, life isn't easy but you can't stop trying just because it's hard. Women aren't going to change until men change.

If you don't like abortion, birth control, promiscuity, the church has a place for you. My question for you is, are you just going to whine online or are you going to carry your cross and fix it?

Are you going to raise a family free of the influence of modern feminism or not? Don't tell me it can't be done, because the Amish do it.

Yeah, I'm telling you to stop whining and go to church.

What if I like abortion (okay, liking is a bit much, but being pro-choice at least), liking birth control, and liking promiscuity? Where should I go?

[Hirota]

There's nothing to be gained in whining about feminism. I get it, life isn't easy but you can't stop trying just because it's hard. Women aren't going to change until men change.

If you don't like abortion, birth control, promiscuity, the church has a place for you. My question for you is, are you just going to whine online or are you going to carry your cross and fix it?

Are you going to raise a family free of the influence of modern feminism or not? Don't tell me it can't be done, because the Amish do it.

Yeah, I'm telling you to stop whining and go to church.

What if I like abortion (okay, liking is a bit much, but being pro-choice at least), liking birth control, and liking promiscuity? Where should I go?

You are obviously whining, why are you not in church?

Obviously

[The Blaatschapen]

What if I like abortion (okay, liking is a bit much, but being pro-choice at least), liking birth control, and liking promiscuity? Where should I go?

You are obviously whining, why are you not in church?

Because the priests mistake me for the Lamb of God.

Also, lack of wifi.

[Stellar Colonies]

There's nothing to be gained in whining about feminism.

True. But there is plenty to be gained in criticizing its faults and suggesting solutions which work more efficiently and for everyone.

I get it, life isn't easy but you can't stop trying just because it's hard.

We should be working to solve problems facing everyone instead of telling certain people to shut up and carry on.

Women aren't going to change until men change.

I don't like stooping to this level, but the same can be said for the reverse.

If you don't like abortion, birth control, promiscuity, the church has a place for you.

I'm morally critical of abortion but pragmatically in vague favor of it. I'm in favor of birth control. I have mixed feelings about promiscuity. I'm a registered Catholic, but my views are more akin to that of an agnostic, and I also have little interest in being involved with the church.

My question for you is, are you just going to whine online or are you going to carry your cross and fix it?

If I were in the position to do anything but highlight the issues...

Are you going to raise a family free of the influence of modern feminism or not? Don't tell me it can't be done, because the Amish do it.

I have no interest in romance, much less having a family.

Yeah, I'm telling you to stop whining and go to church.

Personally not interested in church.

[Dumb Ideologies]

No matter the social problem, just slap on that Jesus flex tape.

You should have taken the extra few minutes of effort and made it a meme.

You know I can't keep up with the zoomer kids and their photoshops.

[Sundiata]

There's nothing to be gained in whining about feminism. I get it, life isn't easy but you can't stop trying just because it's hard. Women aren't going to change until men change.

If you don't like abortion, birth control, promiscuity, the church has a place for you. My question for you is, are you just going to whine online or are you going to carry your cross and fix it?

Are you going to raise a family free of the influence of modern feminism or not? Don't tell me it can't be done, because the Amish do it.

Yeah, I'm telling you to stop whining and go to church.

What if I like abortion (okay, liking is a bit much, but being pro-choice at least), liking birth control, and liking promiscuity? Where should I go?

You're welcome to join us too.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Let's put on our cynic hats for a moment...

Maori and Pasifika boys make for great victims in the Oppression Olympics. There is a strong risk that you get programmes that are targeted specifically to them (to the neglect of boys as a wider class interest) but the bleeding hearts have never been unhappy with too few interventions.

Of course, if you're trying to defeat feminist capture of policymaking by exploiting intersectionalism you simultaneously risk offending the delicate sensibilities of the wealth classes and getting no-where. So the obvious solution is to propose a policy which nominally accomplishes the original intention whilst simultaneously making everything nice for Karen's darling little Georgia...

tl;dr -- this is how you end up with fees free as a flagship education policy

But to continue with the cynical hat... I'm not sure what one would actually do to fix this, anyway.

It's pretty simple. Rally people to be hostile to feminists and women who support those policies and the status quo, damage their allies who hold them up until they disown them. (Through boycotting businesses and so on.). Make feminists pariahs and make them political suicide to be associated with.

They're already deeply unpopular, it's just they have captured institutions. Take the institutions back and tell dear little Karen she can go fuck herself. Begin purging academia and cracking down on social media.

As I read this, I could hear your voice calmly saying it in my head and thought "the feminists should watch the hell out lmao."

[New haven america]

I've come to realize that a lot of men have this sense of entitlement. They'll oppose modern iterations of feminism, lambast women for overlooking weak men for relationships. It's pathetic. It's like, what do you have to offer a woman? Get off your rear and carry your cross, go to church, put effort in at work and school. Be a good man, provide for your wife, get married.

Oh, is it that time of the month already?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I've come to realize that a lot of men have this sense of entitlement. They'll oppose modern iterations of feminism, lambast women for overlooking weak men for relationships. It's pathetic. It's like, what do you have to offer a woman? Get off your rear and carry your cross, go to church, put effort in at work and school. Be a good man, provide for your wife, get married.

Just slave away a little more guys. Once you're rich, then she'll magically fall in love with you.

[Kowani]

I've come to realize that a lot of men have this sense of entitlement. They'll oppose modern iterations of feminism, lambast women for overlooking weak men for relationships. It's pathetic. It's like, what do you have to offer a woman? Get off your rear and carry your cross, go to church, put effort in at work and school. Be a good man, provide for your wife, get married.

Just slave away a little more guys. Once you're rich, then she'll magically fall in love with you.

The misandry and misogyny is strong with this one.

[Sundiata]

I've come to realize that a lot of men have this sense of entitlement. They'll oppose modern iterations of feminism, lambast women for overlooking weak men for relationships. It's pathetic. It's like, what do you have to offer a woman? Get off your rear and carry your cross, go to church, put effort in at work and school. Be a good man, provide for your wife, get married.

Oh, is it that time of the month already?

It's true.

Weakness is not virtue. Men should not be weak. Weakness is not good. Men shouldn't be wasting their time complaining about women or feminism. Men are supposed to be useful to women, useful to family, useful to country, and useful to God. A weak man, a purposely weak man is useless to everyone.

I get that life is hard, everyone struggles but it's not acceptable to drown in misery. Something's got to give. Lord have mercy, are we really going to raise a generation of men who cry and commiserate about women? And how women are doing better than them? Come on, that's pathetic.

If a woman is doing better than you in life maybe it's time to look in the mirror and question why. Maybe you're lazy. Maybe you're prideful. Maybe you're angry. It's shameful to see men so weak, so lost in sin that they can't even be great fathers, husbands, and members of their society.

There's no excuse for men to behave so patheticly when there is so much opportunity out there for a man not to be weak. It's sad. There's no reason to whine about your lot in life if you're a man of able mind and able body. Get out there, be a gentleman, treat women with the utmost kindness and respect because they deserve it. The world is a hard enough place for women without men being jealous of their accomplishments as mothers, workers, heroes, and saints.