The NationStates Feminism Thread IV: Fight Like A Girl!

[Soiled fruit roll ups]

Is this thread still alive? If so, just thought I’d share that I saw some strange debate in an article over whether or not Margaret Thatcher was “a feminist icon”.

In no way shape or form was Thatcher a feminist so how she can be a "feminist icon" is beyond me

A powerful woman who was one of the world's best leaders.
Shes the epitome of the feminist dream?

[Gendercritical Femland]

In no way shape or form was Thatcher a feminist so how she can be a "feminist icon" is beyond me

A powerful woman who was one of the world's best leaders.
Shes the epitome of the feminist dream?

A woman who does not centre women's concerns is not a feminist

[Gendercritical Femland]

Wtf does any of this mean?

That a woman who behaves virtuously is a good woman regardless of whether or not she has biological children.

Given all you have said here about women do you agree with the Churches' position on not allowing women to become clergy? In my view, any organization run solely by men is prone to corruption caused by desire for power and control.

[Novos Romanos]

Your mom

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Your mom

Your joke is older.

[New haven america]

And here I thought Summer was never gonna go into full swing.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

A powerful woman who was one of the world's best leaders.
Shes the epitome of the feminist dream?

A woman who does not centre women's concerns is not a feminist

Well a lot of women don't do that, so how successful would a feminist head of government actually be?

Remember that Thatcher was elected PM by her party, not the people. And they were mostly men.

[Soiled fruit roll ups]

A powerful woman who was one of the world's best leaders.
Shes the epitome of the feminist dream?

A woman who does not centre women's concerns is not a feminist

Is that a no true Scotsman i see.

[Sundiata]

That a woman who behaves virtuously is a good woman regardless of whether or not she has biological children.

Given all you have said here about women do you agree with the Churches' position on not allowing women to become clergy? In my view, any organization run solely by men is prone to corruption caused by desire for power and control.

The clergy is an aspect of the church; ultimately though, I am the church. Likewise, so is every Catholic woman.

[Gendercritical Femland]

A woman who does not centre women's concerns is not a feminist

Well a lot of women don't do that, so how successful would a feminist head of government actually be?

Remember that Thatcher was elected PM by her party, not the people. And they were mostly men.

I agree that "a lot of women don't do that". Thatcher was about as far removed from being a feminist as can be. She was in it for herself and herself only. Yes, Thatcher was elected by men. She behaved like one too. She played the game for her own ends. In a different life she would have been a stripper or a sugar baby. They all play the system and lose their integrity in doing so

[Gendercritical Femland]

A woman who does not centre women's concerns is not a feminist

Is that a no true Scotsman i see.

Nope it is an accurate representation of my political stance as a radical feminist. I don't believe that most women who call themselves 'feminist' actually are. I don't make excuses for them but I believe they are seriously misguided and stupid

[Gendercritical Femland]

Given all you have said here about women do you agree with the Churches' position on not allowing women to become clergy? In my view, any organization run solely by men is prone to corruption caused by desire for power and control.

The clergy is an aspect of the church; ultimately though, I am the church. Likewise, so is every Catholic woman.

I understand your stance from a biblical perspective,and your wider contextualization of 'Church' and I also have a lot of time for your posts because you appear to live with integrity. However, in reality, men control the vatican, men control the purse-strings and more importantly men preach from the pulpit. Your vapourization of women here doesn't really mean a lot when put in that context-it seems like empty platitudes or how you 'wish' it were. I appreciate that you do not represent the Church in an official capacity and therefore I am not demanding you defend it but perhaps you can see my point of view?

You mentioned in another post that you believe Catholics can be feminists. That's not a view I share. Catholics hold the Virgin Mary in such high esteem and yet do not hold the rest of her sex in the same esteem. It's empty words and visions of how men would like us to be. Docile/compliant/obedient and yet, this is not obedience to God, it's obedience to men. The Catholic Church like many Christian denominations is institutionally sexist because it was created by and for men.

[Galloism]

A powerful woman who was one of the world's best leaders.
Shes the epitome of the feminist dream?

A woman who does not centre women's concerns is not a feminist

"You must be sexist to be feminist"

Gg no re

[Ors Might]

A powerful woman who was one of the world's best leaders.
Shes the epitome of the feminist dream?

A woman who does not centre women's concerns is not a feminist

I thought feminism was about gender equality?

[Gendercritical Femland]

A woman who does not centre women's concerns is not a feminist

"You must be sexist to be feminist"

Gg no re

I don't think you understand. I give zero fucks about men. Cry about it

[Ors Might]

"You must be sexist to be feminist"

Gg no re

I don't think you understand. I give zero fucks about men. Cry about it

So you’re not for gender equality, then? Like, you can’t be for equality between the sexes, if you only care about one of the sexes.

[Galloism]

"You must be sexist to be feminist"

Gg no re

I don't think you understand. I give zero fucks about men. Cry about it

"Sexism is ok because I endorse sexism".

Ok.

[Galloism]

I don't think you understand. I give zero fucks about men. Cry about it

So you’re not for gender equality, then? Like, you can’t be for equality between the sexes, if you only care about one of the sexes.

It's a supremacy thing.

[Rojava Free State]

"You must be sexist to be feminist"

Gg no re

I don't think you understand. I give zero fucks about men. Cry about it

Funny how if someone said they gave zero fucks about women, you'd be the first one to get pissed.

[Ors Might]

So you’re not for gender equality, then? Like, you can’t be for equality between the sexes, if you only care about one of the sexes.

It's a supremacy thing.

Usually though, it’s mostly the TERFs that actively believe in that female supremacy garbage. I don’t want to throw that particular label around before getting an explanation for their statements.

Could very well be they’re just blind to how sexism effects men and women both or that they see feminism in practice being a gender advocacy movement. I’m giving the benefit of the doubt.

[Stellar Colonies]

The Radical Feminist Alliance is now open for women only.

This thread is OOC only.

I don't think you understand. I give zero fucks about men. Cry about it

So you’re not for gender equality, then? Like, you can’t be for equality between the sexes, if you only care about one of the sexes.

Probably bent on vengeance for something which has harmed women but has also harmed men as well in a different way.

[Kowani]

"You must be sexist to be feminist"

Gg no re

I don't think you understand. I give zero fucks about men. Cry about it

Well it’s a good thing you aren’t in power.

[Ors Might]

The Radical Feminist Alliance is now open for women only.

This thread is OOC only.

So you’re not for gender equality, then? Like, you can’t be for equality between the sexes, if you only care about one of the sexes.

Probably bent on vengeance for something which has harmed women but has also harmed men as well in a different way.

That is the way it usually is for non-trolls that make those sorts of statements.

[Sundiata]

The clergy is an aspect of the church; ultimately though, I am the church. Likewise, so is every Catholic woman.

I understand your stance from a biblical perspective,and your wider contextualization of 'Church' and I also have a lot of time for your posts because you appear to live with integrity. However, in reality, men control the vatican, men control the purse-strings and more importantly men preach from the pulpit. Your vapourization of women here doesn't really mean a lot when put in that context-it seems like empty platitudes or how you 'wish' it were. I appreciate that you do not represent the Church in an official capacity and therefore I am not demanding you defend it but perhaps you can see my point of view?

You mentioned in another post that you believe Catholics can be feminists. That's not a view I share. Catholics hold the Virgin Mary in such high esteem and yet do not hold the rest of her sex in the same esteem. It's empty words and visions of how men would like us to be. Docile/compliant/obedient and yet, this is not obedience to God, it's obedience to men. The Catholic Church like many Christian denominations is institutionally sexist because it was created by and for men.

Thank you for your kind words.

To clear any misconceptions, know this: the Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ. His twelve apostles were men. Every clergy member can be traced back to the original twelve apostles through apostolic succession. That's why the clergy is male. Catholics do hold Mary, Mother of God in high esteem. That reverence extends to all women too. Men serve women, women serve men. Men and women together serve God and equally share in his dignity. And in that way, Catholic feminism is fundamentally Catholic.

As far as not representing the church in an official capacity, I also feel called to correct that. Opus Dei is an official part of the Catholic Church. While a relatively new part of the church, it's as officially Catholic as the papacy itself.

[New haven america]

"You must be sexist to be feminist"

Gg no re

I don't think you understand. I give zero fucks about men. Cry about it

So you're not a feminist.