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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:46 am

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:As a scout, this is pretty despicable.

And as I've said before, this trend of trying to destroy statues because the people they represent didn't support trans rights or complete racial equality is peak idiocy.

That being said, I wonder when Marx will get his statue pulled down?

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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:53 am

So this is what we're doing now? Pulling down statues and throwing them into the ocean. What next? Are we gonna be burning books or something? You know I know someone else who destroys statues they don't like and removes much of history from existence: https://youtu.be/JmrPxy-K7W4
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Postby Cameroi » Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:07 am

as neither a christian nor an islamist, i think mahammid had the right idea about not making statues of anything human at all.
i think he went a little bit overboard in saying don't make pictures of anything real, just geometric designes,
but not making monuments to the human ego is a good idea.

scouting, what it became, is a very mixed bag. well i like the idea of giving kids a chance to see something of the reality that is hidden behind the fascade of urban life.
but there's so much of scouting, of what the scouting of america organization is about, that isn't even about that at all.

so personally, i love to see large constructions of strange interesting convoluted shapes,
but anything shaped like a human and carved our of stone or cast in bronze, i could very much live without,
and have no feelings of objection to seeing their removal.
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Postby Cameroi » Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:10 am

Rojava Free State wrote:So this is what we're doing now? Pulling down statues and throwing them into the ocean. What next? Are we gonna be burning books or something? You know I know someone else who destroys statues they don't like and removes much of history from existence: https://youtu.be/JmrPxy-K7W4

looking at some ugly human face carved out of rock, isn't going to tell you how to build a house or a transit system, so there's really no valid relationship between their removal and the destruction of useful information.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:16 am

Cameroi wrote:as neither a christian nor an islamist, i think mahammid had the right idea about not making statues of anything human at all.
i think he went a little bit overboard in saying don't make pictures of anything real, just geometric designes,
but not making monuments to the human ego is a good idea.

scouting, what it became, is a very mixed bag. well i like the idea of giving kids a chance to see something of the reality that is hidden behind the fascade of urban life.
but there's so much of scouting, of what the scouting of america organization is about, that isn't even about that at all.

so personally, i love to see large constructions of strange interesting convoluted shapes,
but anything shaped like a human and carved our of stone or cast in bronze, i could very much live without,
and have no feelings of objection to seeing their removal.


It has come to our attention that there are many buildings in this country dedicated to the worship of an Arab warlord whose violent conduct, slave-taking and personal relationships are wholly repugnant to our contemporary enlightened values. These will be being destroyed post haste and those far-rightists who oppose such a move will be removed from public life.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:20 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Cameroi wrote:as neither a christian nor an islamist, i think mahammid had the right idea about not making statues of anything human at all.
i think he went a little bit overboard in saying don't make pictures of anything real, just geometric designes,
but not making monuments to the human ego is a good idea.

scouting, what it became, is a very mixed bag. well i like the idea of giving kids a chance to see something of the reality that is hidden behind the fascade of urban life.
but there's so much of scouting, of what the scouting of america organization is about, that isn't even about that at all.

so personally, i love to see large constructions of strange interesting convoluted shapes,
but anything shaped like a human and carved our of stone or cast in bronze, i could very much live without,
and have no feelings of objection to seeing their removal.


It has come to our attention that there are many buildings in this country dedicated to the worship of an Arab warlord whose violent conduct and personal relationships are wholly repugnant to our contemporary enlightened values. These will be being destroyed post haste and those far-rightists who oppose such a move will be removed from public life.


Suddenly destroying monuments you don't like doesnt sound too fun anymore.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:43 am

Rojava Free State wrote:So this is what we're doing now? Pulling down statues and throwing them into the ocean. What next? Are we gonna be burning books or something? You know I know someone else who destroys statues they don't like and removes much of history from existence: https://youtu.be/JmrPxy-K7W4

Whose statue are you talking about? Note that if you can answer that question, then history isn't being erased.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:02 am

Crypto-communists really have warped culture into their Maoist style cultural revolution.

Has anyone seen that Jack Saint video about Sky High? "Other than the violence, what is it you actually dislike about Fascism?" can be put another way; "Other than the violence, what is it you actually dislike about Maoism?"

So I Guess the "Liberal Fascist" charge levied against those who support fascist ideology while deploring violence can be put against the modern left. Liberal Maoists.

They've got the struggle sessions, the destruction of cultural artifacts, the war against people in institutions who don't adhere to a strict party line, and so on.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:14 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
It has come to our attention that there are many buildings in this country dedicated to the worship of an Arab warlord whose violent conduct and personal relationships are wholly repugnant to our contemporary enlightened values. These will be being destroyed post haste and those far-rightists who oppose such a move will be removed from public life.


Suddenly destroying monuments you don't like doesnt sound too fun anymore.

William Levitt was a racist, guess we should also bulldoze all those houses he built and throw the residents out onto the street. *shrug*
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:24 am

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Suddenly destroying monuments you don't like doesnt sound too fun anymore.

William Levitt was a racist, guess we should also bulldoze all those houses he built and throw the residents out onto the street. *shrug*


I’ve seen the suggestion crop up online. Especially of plantation style houses in the South. Although I’m aware of the history of slavery and plantations down South, these are used as homes now (some are museums and others are used as resorts), I see no reason to destroy them.
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Postby Crockerland » Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:27 am

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Cameroi wrote:as neither a christian nor an islamist, i think mahammid had the right idea about not making statues of anything human at all.
i think he went a little bit overboard in saying don't make pictures of anything real, just geometric designes,
but not making monuments to the human ego is a good idea.

scouting, what it became, is a very mixed bag. well i like the idea of giving kids a chance to see something of the reality that is hidden behind the fascade of urban life.
but there's so much of scouting, of what the scouting of america organization is about, that isn't even about that at all.

so personally, i love to see large constructions of strange interesting convoluted shapes,
but anything shaped like a human and carved our of stone or cast in bronze, i could very much live without,
and have no feelings of objection to seeing their removal.


It has come to our attention that there are many buildings in this country dedicated to the worship of an Arab warlord whose violent conduct, slave-taking and personal relationships are wholly repugnant to our contemporary enlightened values. These will be being destroyed post haste and those far-rightists who oppose such a move will be removed from public life.

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Postby Salandriagado » Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:29 am

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:As a scout, this is pretty despicable.

And as I've said before, this trend of trying to destroy statues because the people they represent didn't support trans rights or complete racial equality is peak idiocy.

That being said, I wonder when Marx will get his statue pulled down?


To be clear: the statue has been put in a warehouse somewhere because moving it there and back is cheaper than fixing it would be if it got vandalised.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:37 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:William Levitt was a racist, guess we should also bulldoze all those houses he built and throw the residents out onto the street. *shrug*


I’ve seen the suggestion crop up online. Especially of plantation style houses in the South. Although I’m aware of the history of slavery and plantations down South, these are used as homes now (some are museums and others are used as resorts), I see no reason to destroy them.

These sound like the sort of people who would call for the Auschwitz camp to be torn down because preserving it somehow glorifies Nazism...
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Postby Valrifell » Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:38 am

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I’ve seen the suggestion crop up online. Especially of plantation style houses in the South. Although I’m aware of the history of slavery and plantations down South, these are used as homes now (some are museums and others are used as resorts), I see no reason to destroy them.

These sound like the sort of people who would call for the Auschwitz camp to be torn down because preserving it somehow glorifies Nazism...


Destroying statues and monuments is not a slope into destroying useful property or useful historical reminders. At worst people would want them to be renamed.
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The Two Jerseys wrote:These sound like the sort of people who would call for the Auschwitz camp to be torn down because preserving it somehow glorifies Nazism...


Destroying statues and monuments is not a slope into destroying useful property or useful historical reminders. At worst people would want them to be renamed.

A lot of these sort of statues weren’t put up in the name of historical preservation. In the same way that most Confederate monuments were created to venerate the confederacy and perpetuate stuff like the “Lost Cause”.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:46 am

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I’ve seen the suggestion crop up online. Especially of plantation style houses in the South. Although I’m aware of the history of slavery and plantations down South, these are used as homes now (some are museums and others are used as resorts), I see no reason to destroy them.

These sound like the sort of people who would call for the Auschwitz camp to be torn down because preserving it somehow glorifies Nazism...


Also something that has been suggested before. That we don’t need the camps to stand to remind us of what happened. That’s the reasoning.
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Ostroeuropa wrote:Crypto-communists really have warped culture into their Maoist style cultural revolution.

Has anyone seen that Jack Saint video about Sky High? "Other than the violence, what is it you actually dislike about Fascism?" can be put another way; "Other than the violence, what is it you actually dislike about Maoism?"

So I Guess the "Liberal Fascist" charge levied against those who support fascist ideology while deploring violence can be put against the modern left. Liberal Maoists.

They've got the struggle sessions, the destruction of cultural artifacts, the war against people in institutions who don't adhere to a strict party line, and so on.

Bruh. Don’t blame us commies for the actions of butthurt libs. This comparison of Maoism and “cultural revolution” to the removal of some statues is weak, relies on boomer-tier ideology, and is about as worthy of consideration as claiming that the West is falling to “cultural Marxism”. Seriously, even McCarthy would be disappointed.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:48 am

Valrifell wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:These sound like the sort of people who would call for the Auschwitz camp to be torn down because preserving it somehow glorifies Nazism...


Destroying statues and monuments is not a slope into destroying useful property or useful historical reminders. At worst people would want them to be renamed.


Honestly, if you want to preserve them, move them to a museum. That’s what I think, although I have no issue with the removal at all. If not, reuse the material for another project.

Useful buildings are another matter.
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Ostroeuropa wrote:Crypto-communists really have warped culture into their Maoist style cultural revolution.

Has anyone seen that Jack Saint video about Sky High? "Other than the violence, what is it you actually dislike about Fascism?" can be put another way; "Other than the violence, what is it you actually dislike about Maoism?"

So I Guess the "Liberal Fascist" charge levied against those who support fascist ideology while deploring violence can be put against the modern left. Liberal Maoists.

They've got the struggle sessions, the destruction of cultural artifacts, the war against people in institutions who don't adhere to a strict party line, and so on.

Bruh. Don’t blame us commies for the actions of butthurt libs. This comparison of Maoism and “cultural revolution” to the removal of some statues is weak, relies on boomer-tier ideology, and is about as worthy of consideration as claiming that the West is falling to “cultural Marxism”. Seriously, even McCarthy would be disappointed.


What is the functional difference?
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West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Bruh. Don’t blame us commies for the actions of butthurt libs. This comparison of Maoism and “cultural revolution” to the removal of some statues is weak, relies on boomer-tier ideology, and is about as worthy of consideration as claiming that the West is falling to “cultural Marxism”. Seriously, even McCarthy would be disappointed.


What is the functional difference?

The difference is that this is being done by the forces of neoliberals and liberal identity politics, not in the aim of Marxist subversion. What they are doing is far more complex than a “Cultural Revolution 2”. The difference is in their agenda and goal.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:21 pm

I'm just gonna start making up rumors about how various statues across the country are really of racist slave-owners and post them to black Twitter and let them take it from there. Let's see how many I can get knocked down in a week!
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What is the functional difference?

The difference is that this is being done by the forces of neoliberals and liberal identity politics, not in the aim of Marxist subversion. What they are doing is far more complex than a “Cultural Revolution 2”. The difference is in their agenda and goal.


Can you elaborate?
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Postby Valrifell » Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:23 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:I'm just gonna start making up rumors about how various statues across the country are really of racist slave-owners and post them to black Twitter and let them take it from there. Let's see how many I can get knocked down in a week!


You expect us to unironically accept you have any kind of Twitter clout?

This is by far your least believable delusion of grandeur.
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Bear Stearns wrote:I'm just gonna start making up rumors about how various statues across the country are really of racist slave-owners and post them to black Twitter and let them take it from there. Let's see how many I can get knocked down in a week!


You expect us to unironically accept you have any kind of Twitter clout?

This is by far your least believable delusion of grandeur.


I don't even have a twitter account, but how hard could this really be? Make a fake profile, post some shit to prominent woke black people on twitter, let their fans notice it, and they'll spread it from there.
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