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Viva la Chaz! Seattle's Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ)

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How long do you think the CHAZ will continue to last for?

Not past the day after tomorrow
39
11%
Less than a week
65
19%
More than a week, less than a month
132
38%
More than one month, but not past August
63
18%
Into the Fall, but not the Winter
19
5%
Into Winter, or even 2021, or beyond
28
8%
 
Total votes : 346

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Postby Rusozak » Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:55 pm

You know what would be funny? They discover they need to organize their police-free anarchist community better to survive. So they lay down some ground rules. But they need to enforce those ground rules, so they start training a department of individuals whose sole job is to make sure other members of the police-free community adhere to said rules... you can see where I'm going with this.
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Postby Crockerland » Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:04 pm

Rusozak wrote:You know what would be funny? They discover they need to organize their police-free anarchist community better to survive. So they lay down some ground rules. But they need to enforce those ground rules, so they start training a department of individuals whose sole job is to make sure other members of the police-free community adhere to said rules... you can see where I'm going with this.

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Postby Cisairse » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:35 pm

Rusozak wrote:You know what would be funny? They discover they need to organize their police-free anarchist community better to survive. So they lay down some ground rules. But they need to enforce those ground rules, so they start training a department of individuals whose sole job is to make sure other members of the police-free community adhere to said rules... you can see where I'm going with this.

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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:33 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Sure, it's possible so long as people get along and don't get into dishonest ways of dealing with each other.

So, probably not for very long.


Crazy how if you give people shelter and sustenance they're not particularly inclined to hurt you.


Until someone either doesn't care, wants to take advantage of someone else, or just isn't as courteous.

People have a good track record of ruining a good thing.
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:43 pm

Neuer Deutsches Reich wrote:send in the police, tanks, army or just nuke them IDK. Stupid Antifa

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Postby Cisairse » Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:18 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Cisairse wrote:
Crazy how if you give people shelter and sustenance they're not particularly inclined to hurt you.


Until someone either doesn't care, wants to take advantage of someone else, or just isn't as courteous.

People have a good track record of ruining a good thing.

They've been doing fine so far.
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Postby Konolas » Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:53 am

This feels like a decleration of independence tbh
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:58 am

Cisairse wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Until someone either doesn't care, wants to take advantage of someone else, or just isn't as courteous.

People have a good track record of ruining a good thing.

They've been doing fine so far.


Sure, but they're not going to remain this way perpetually.
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Postby Conterale » Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:52 am

Russoslava wrote:
Servilis wrote:Who have no official or validated record of committing Terrorist acts... Nor is ANTIFA an organization, not since the 40s.


The President signed a document that labels ANTIFA a terrorist organization. They used fear and physical attacks on those who oppose them politically to further their political agenda. they're the dictionary definition of terrorists.

1.
He can't legally do that, you can't call domestic organizations terrorist orgs

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ANTIFA is not an organization, it is a grassroots movement based on horizontal relationships rather than vertical ones, and so is not an organization, but rather a movement.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:09 am

Conterale wrote:
Russoslava wrote:
The President signed a document that labels ANTIFA a terrorist organization. They used fear and physical attacks on those who oppose them politically to further their political agenda. they're the dictionary definition of terrorists.

1.
He can't legally do that, you can't call domestic organizations terrorist orgs


It has been done many times by various fed agencies
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Postby Brunswick-upon-Raritan » Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:11 am

Rusozak wrote:You know what would be funny? They discover they need to organize their police-free anarchist community better to survive. So they lay down some ground rules. But they need to enforce those ground rules, so they start training a department of individuals whose sole job is to make sure other members of the police-free community adhere to said rules... you can see where I'm going with this.


Rebuilding the police from the ground up would be very different from “the police” that currently patrol American cities. The anarchists have probably been most organized on the left in terms of militia-like structures.
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Postby Cisairse » Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:04 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Cisairse wrote:They've been doing fine so far.


Sure, but they're not going to remain this way perpetually.

Neither is the United States.
Konolas wrote:This feels like a decleration of independence tbh

Not really.
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Postby Senkaku » Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:35 pm

Btw everyone I think terminology has shifted to calling it CHOP (Capitol hill organized protest), from what I’ve seen over the past two days in local media

Furthermore workers from the DOT have been in there this morning and it sounds like it may open back up to traffic soon, though I expect there’ll still be significant protester presence and I doubt the police are going to take the precinct building back yet

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Aureumterra wrote:I’m pretty sure the riots have died down, except Atlanta. The protests right now seem to be peaceful, as they should

Yeah I know, just describing what CHAZ seems like. Semi-riot, semi-protest.

It is 0% riot lol
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Postby Senkaku » Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:39 pm

Konolas wrote:This feels like a decleration of independence tbh

No it doesn’t

Rusozak wrote:You know what would be funny? They discover they need to organize their police-free anarchist community better to survive. So they lay down some ground rules. But they need to enforce those ground rules, so they start training a department of individuals whose sole job is to make sure other members of the police-free community adhere to said rules... you can see where I'm going with this.

It is neither police-free nor anarchist lmao

Salus Maior wrote:
Cisairse wrote:They've been doing fine so far.


Sure, but they're not going to remain this way perpetually.

What about what’s going on there is particularly unsustainable? The only thing that’ll happen is eventually everyone will get bored/tired and go home— I think it’s pretty clear that if the cops try to go back to the “just gas them” style of operations, they’ll just be bringing more people into the streets
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Postby No State Here » Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:39 pm

Apparently Fox News’ live broadcast said “US-CHAZ Border” for the location indicator

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Postby Kanadorika » Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:49 pm

Conterale wrote:
Russoslava wrote:
The President signed a document that labels ANTIFA a terrorist organization. They used fear and physical attacks on those who oppose them politically to further their political agenda. they're the dictionary definition of terrorists.

1.
He can't legally do that, you can't call domestic organizations terrorist orgs

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ANTIFA is not an organization, it is a grassroots movement based on horizontal relationships rather than vertical ones, and so is not an organization, but rather a movement.


If I recall correctly, President Grant did something like that in the 70s against the Klan, and then proceeded to smash them with federal troops.

Provisions of that same Federal Act still exist today and give power against groups "violating the constitutional rights of American citizens."

Not saying ANTIFA is the same threat level as the Klan was 160 years ago, but such action isn't unheard of.
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Postby Nakena » Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:48 pm

According to unconfirmed rumors, the standing comitee of the CHAZ has officially asked canadian Prime Minister Trudeau for recognition as autonomous commune and for aid and as well supplies.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:50 pm

Has Jack Reed returned from the Grave to lead them in a Syndicalist Revolution yet?
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Postby Nakena » Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:52 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Has Jack Reed returned from the Grave to lead them in a Syndicalist Revolution yet?


I dont know but supposedly some very strongly worded letters - or rather emails - have been send in the last 24 hours. And we all know about how devastating this can go from 2016.

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Postby Aureumterra » Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:54 pm

Nakena wrote:According to unconfirmed rumors, the standing comitee of the CHAZ has officially asked canadian Prime Minister Trudeau for recognition as autonomous commune and for aid and as well supplies.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:55 pm

Nakena wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Has Jack Reed returned from the Grave to lead them in a Syndicalist Revolution yet?


I dont know but supposedly some very strongly worded letters - or rather emails - have been send in the last 24 hours. And we all know about how devastating this can go from 2016.

This is merely the beginning comrade.
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Postby Necroghastia » Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:00 pm

Nakena wrote:According to unconfirmed rumors, the standing comitee of the CHAZ has officially asked canadian Prime Minister Trudeau for recognition as autonomous commune and for aid and as well supplies.

Considering all the other rumors that turned out bogus, I'm doubting this as well.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:02 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:It's more like a mix between a riot and a protest. The sort of riot behavior of raiding businesses and looting that a riot has, but since they are no police to stop the behaviour it's kinda in a weird limbo.

I’m pretty sure the riots have died down, except Atlanta. The protests right now seem to be peaceful, as they should

The riots are over in Atlanta as well
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Postby Senkaku » Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:19 pm

The footprint was reduced some today and I think traffic is getting through now, the DOT also put up these nifty plywood board things for artists to do murals

Nakena wrote:According to unconfirmed rumors, the standing comitee of the CHAZ has officially asked canadian Prime Minister Trudeau for recognition as autonomous commune and for aid and as well supplies.

who the hell are the "standing committee" lmao what are you talking about

No State Here wrote:Apparently Fox News’ live broadcast said “US-CHAZ Border” for the location indicator

Lol

hey, it takes a lot of silliness from a lot of hacks to turn a protest into a proper right-wing fearstorm, have some respect for the hard work from the terrible people at Fox :p
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Postby Cisairse » Tue Jun 16, 2020 5:07 pm

Nakena wrote:According to unconfirmed rumors, the standing comitee of the CHAZ has officially asked canadian Prime Minister Trudeau for recognition as autonomous commune and for aid and as well supplies.

Sounds fake, considering the sources I follow in the CHOP have made no references to a "standing committee."
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