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Viva la Chaz! Seattle's Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ)

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How long do you think the CHAZ will continue to last for?

Not past the day after tomorrow
39
11%
Less than a week
65
19%
More than a week, less than a month
132
38%
More than one month, but not past August
62
18%
Into the Fall, but not the Winter
19
6%
Into Winter, or even 2021, or beyond
27
8%
 
Total votes : 344

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Postby Nakena » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:13 pm

So Fox News was physically removed from the CHAZ?

A news crew from the local Fox affiliate was reportedly chased out of the zone by some demonstrators.


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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:13 pm

Vetalia wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Have you had these autonomous zones in the US before?


No, unless you consider the Confederate States of America an autonomous zone.

Nanatsu, I thought you lived in the States?


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Postby Stellar Colonies » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:14 pm

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Stellar Colonies / the Confederation of Human Systems is a confederation which loosely unites a third of the Milky Way galaxy.

The WA embassy within the Confederacy is at Ida Station (243 Ida in the Sol System), a Confederate member state which joined the WA to represent Confederate interests.

Add 3000 years for the date I use.

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Postby James_xenoland » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:14 pm

Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:
Japan and Pacific States wrote:
Up that number to two warlords.

For anyone wondering, this exact thing is why the US has a thing called the "Insurrection act" which gives the US government the power to shut things like this down.


The first warlords with sociology degrees, probably.

The hysteria is real.


Hitler was a painter and Stalin wanted to be a poet.. What's your point?



Vetalia wrote:
Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:The first warlords with sociology degrees, probably.

The hysteria is real.


Great, the warlords have sociology degrees. Charles Taylor had a degree in economics, which is infinitely more useful than sociology but...well, I'll let history speak for itself.

Understatement!
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Postby Cisairse » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:16 pm

If y'all want to watch what's going down in the CHAZ rn:

https://www.twitch.tv/woke
Now it's clear as a pillar of smoke
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And broken Starbucks glass

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Postby James_xenoland » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:18 pm

Nakena wrote:So Fox News was physically removed from the CHAZ?

A news crew from the local Fox affiliate was reportedly chased out of the zone by some demonstrators.


https://reason.com/2020/06/10/seattle-p ... -precinct/


Well yeah.. This is a movement all about "freedom" and "justice".. They can't very well let people walk around thinking, saying or symbolizing anything they want... As per the leftist norm. *nods*
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:19 pm

Nakena wrote:So Fox News was physically removed from the CHAZ?

A news crew from the local Fox affiliate was reportedly chased out of the zone by some demonstrators.


https://reason.com/2020/06/10/seattle-p ... -precinct/


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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:19 pm

James_xenoland wrote:
Nakena wrote:So Fox News was physically removed from the CHAZ?



https://reason.com/2020/06/10/seattle-p ... -precinct/


Well yeah.. This is a movement all about "freedom" and "justice".. They can't very well let people walk around thinking, saying or symbolizing anything they want... As per the leftist norm. *nods*


Fox News is quite possibly the single greatest threat to American freedom and justice that isn't part of the U.S. govt.
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Postby Vetalia » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:20 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I do live in the US but I’m not from the US.


Ah, got it.
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Postby Vetalia » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:21 pm

James_xenoland wrote:Understatement!


It's different this time! They have sociology degrees, that means they will act with impartial justice despite possessing absolute power.
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Postby Cisairse » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:22 pm

Vetalia wrote:
James_xenoland wrote:Understatement!


It's different this time! They have sociology degrees, that means they will act with impartial justice despite possessing absolute power.


You don't have power without consent of the governed. These """warlords""" have no more power than the rest of the people will give them, which, as you can imagine, probably isn't much.
Now it's clear as a pillar of smoke
The details of the above post are subject to leftist infighting.

And broken Starbucks glass

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Postby Brunswick-upon-Raritan » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:23 pm

Vetalia wrote:
Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:In any case, the CHAZ is much more sophisticated than Occupy. It’s much larger than just one small park, and it has much more local support. The CHAZ will probably end sooner or later just like Occupy did, but the CHAZ shows protesters have actually learned a lot from Occupy in 2011. The overall balance of forces is moving left.


Considering the outcome of this brilliant experiment I think you have inflamed the right and center in opposition.


Well there hasn’t been an “outcome” yet, and while Fox News and the President might be frothing at the mouth about “domestic terrorism”, that’s not what’s happening in these protests, and the people of Seattle like everyone else are tired of every level of government — from their own cops up to the feds and “S.S.” — repeatedly harming innocent bystanders in their futile attempts to pacify and control the local populace. The absence of police has now brought about more law and order to Capitol Hill than their presence did.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:23 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Vetalia wrote:
It's different this time! They have sociology degrees, that means they will act with impartial justice despite possessing absolute power.


You don't have power without consent of the governed. These """warlords""" have no more power than the rest of the people will give them, which, as you can imagine, probably isn't much.


Neither does Kim Jong-Un.

And yet...
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:24 pm

Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:
Vetalia wrote:
Considering the outcome of this brilliant experiment I think you have inflamed the right and center in opposition.


Well there hasn’t been an “outcome” yet, and while Fox News and the President might be frothing at the mouth about “domestic terrorism”, that’s not what’s happening in these protests, and the people of Seattle like everyone else are tired of every level of government — from their own cops up to the feds and “S.S.” — repeatedly harming innocent bystanders in their futile attempts to pacify and control the local populace. The absence of police has now brought about more law and order to Capitol Hill than their presence did.


The USSS isn't a level of government. They're bodyguards, dude. Not lawmakers.
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Postby Cisairse » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:25 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Cisairse wrote:
You don't have power without consent of the governed. These """warlords""" have no more power than the rest of the people will give them, which, as you can imagine, probably isn't much.


Neither does Kim Jong-Un.

And yet...


Kim Jong-Un has the power that he has because he has consent of the people he's governing, which backs up my earlier point.
Now it's clear as a pillar of smoke
The details of the above post are subject to leftist infighting.

And broken Starbucks glass

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Postby Brunswick-upon-Raritan » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:26 pm

Nakena wrote:So Fox News was physically removed from the CHAZ?

A news crew from the local Fox affiliate was reportedly chased out of the zone by some demonstrators.


https://reason.com/2020/06/10/seattle-p ... -precinct/



With the situation on the ground in flux, it's impossible to know where the CHAZ is headed. While the movement behind the zone can't be described as libertarian (a Medium essay purporting to be a list demands from the Free Capitol folks includes calls for both police abolition and rent control), it is still vaguely encouraging to see people try to set up their own self-governing enclave in the vacuum left by the police's withdrawal.


This reminds me of the socialist-libertarian unity during the Iraq War years.
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Postby Nakena » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:27 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Vetalia wrote:
It's different this time! They have sociology degrees, that means they will act with impartial justice despite possessing absolute power.


You don't have power without consent of the governed. These """warlords""" have no more power than the rest of the people will give them, which, as you can imagine, probably isn't much.


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Postby Brunswick-upon-Raritan » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:27 pm

Nakena wrote:
Cisairse wrote:
You don't have power without consent of the governed. These """warlords""" have no more power than the rest of the people will give them, which, as you can imagine, probably isn't much.


I am an autonomous anti-capitalist, anarcha-femninist, anti-racist, anti-police-brutality, left-libertarianian anarcho-communist. Said the communist Warlord.

I am an identitarian-libertarian-alternative-ethnopluralist-archeofuturist, anti-capitalist and anarchist. Said the fascist warlord.


Said the Internet warlord.

See? We can all do it.
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Postby Cisairse » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:29 pm

Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:
Nakena wrote:So Fox News was physically removed from the CHAZ?



https://reason.com/2020/06/10/seattle-p ... -precinct/



With the situation on the ground in flux, it's impossible to know where the CHAZ is headed. While the movement behind the zone can't be described as libertarian (a Medium essay purporting to be a list demands from the Free Capitol folks includes calls for both police abolition and rent control), it is still vaguely encouraging to see people try to set up their own self-governing enclave in the vacuum left by the police's withdrawal.


This reminds me of the socialist-libertarian unity during the Iraq War years.


Many socialists are also libertarians, and are aligned on a lot of issues regarding the role of the state.
Now it's clear as a pillar of smoke
The details of the above post are subject to leftist infighting.

And broken Starbucks glass

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They wave black flags
They wear black masks

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Postby Brunswick-upon-Raritan » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:30 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:
Well there hasn’t been an “outcome” yet, and while Fox News and the President might be frothing at the mouth about “domestic terrorism”, that’s not what’s happening in these protests, and the people of Seattle like everyone else are tired of every level of government — from their own cops up to the feds and “S.S.” — repeatedly harming innocent bystanders in their futile attempts to pacify and control the local populace. The absence of police has now brought about more law and order to Capitol Hill than their presence did.


The USSS isn't a level of government. They're bodyguards, dude. Not lawmakers.


It’s literally a federal agency, they’re not working at a nightclub.
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Postby Cisairse » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:30 pm

Nakena wrote:
Cisairse wrote:
You don't have power without consent of the governed. These """warlords""" have no more power than the rest of the people will give them, which, as you can imagine, probably isn't much.


I am an autonomous anti-capitalist, anarcha-femninist, anti-racist, anti-police-brutality, left-libertarianian anarcho-communist. Said the communist Warlord.

I am an identitarian-libertarian-alternative-ethnopluralist-archeofuturist, anti-capitalist and anarchist. Said the fascist warlord.


Everyone knows that anarcho-edgelordism is the only legitimate form of government, other than anti-NSGism.
Now it's clear as a pillar of smoke
The details of the above post are subject to leftist infighting.

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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:31 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Neither does Kim Jong-Un.

And yet...


Kim Jong-Un has the power that he has because he has consent of the people he's governing, which backs up my earlier point.


Right, I must've missed the part where he was democratically elected in a fair and open system while his every move is under intense public scrutiny with an established system of checks and balances in place to prevent tyranny and oppression.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:35 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Neither does Kim Jong-Un.

And yet...


Kim Jong-Un has the power that he has because he has consent of the people he's governing, which backs up my earlier point.


Ah, so you actually are a communist...
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Postby Cisairse » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:37 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Cisairse wrote:
Kim Jong-Un has the power that he has because he has consent of the people he's governing, which backs up my earlier point.


Right, I must've missed the part where he was democratically elected in a fair and open system while his every move is under intense public scrutiny with an established system of checks and balances in place to prevent tyranny and oppression.


I'm not sure why you believe that consent to a power structure can only be expressed via democratic elections. That's very inconsistent with how political theorists have more or less always used the term "consent."

The people of North Korea express their consent for the regime by following its orders. The entire populace could, at any given point, just decide that they don't give a fuck about Kim and either die violent deaths or actually depose him. That they do not do this, and thus implicitly give their consent for his ruling over them, is how Kim remains in power.
Now it's clear as a pillar of smoke
The details of the above post are subject to leftist infighting.

And broken Starbucks glass

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They wave black flags
They wear black masks

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