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Viva la Chaz! Seattle's Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ)

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How long do you think the CHAZ will continue to last for?

Not past the day after tomorrow
39
11%
Less than a week
65
19%
More than a week, less than a month
132
38%
More than one month, but not past August
62
18%
Into the Fall, but not the Winter
19
6%
Into Winter, or even 2021, or beyond
27
8%
 
Total votes : 344

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Postby Brunswick-upon-Raritan » Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:54 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
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Not if you restock your shelves... People are able to go about their business in the CHAZ, it’s not a siege situation.


How are you going to pay for them?

Why would Seattle give right of access to the rest of the city?


1. People just go about their normal business. The shops stay open, people come and go and work... There just aren’t any cops.

2. Why would Seattle cut off the rest of the city and disrupt people’s lives? It’s not like people aren’t already traveling freely around. There just aren’t any cops.
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Postby James_xenoland » Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:54 pm

I think the most hilarious part of this whole sad pitiful farce is the fact that the people demanding the complete end to police, had all of their food stolen by homeless people they invited in and are demanding be allowed to run free around the city. (because that worked so well in SF)

Their "demands" are next level retarded... My favorite:

We demand that the Seattle Council and the Mayor defund and abolish the Seattle Police Department and the attached Criminal Justice Apparatus.

We demand justice for those who have been sexually harassed or abused by the Seattle Police Department or prison guards in the state of Washington.


How do you even.... just... by WHOM?!?

These adult children are beyond hilarious. No thought at all, let alone critical thinking ability.
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Nakena
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Postby Nakena » Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:54 pm

Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:
Vetalia wrote:
I give you a couple of weeks before it turns into the Lord of the Flies, if it hasn't already. Good luck keeping "Pink Umbrella Aid" stocked without charging money, although it will probably become an Inner Party shop before long if the leftist MO develops as it always has.


That’s what they said about Occupy Wall Street, too. But it was NYPD riot police and bulldozers that forced Occupy out of Zuccotti Park, not internal collapse.

In any case, the CHAZ is much more sophisticated than Occupy. It’s much larger than just one small park, and it has much more local support. The CHAZ will probably end sooner or later just like Occupy did, but the CHAZ shows protesters have actually learned a lot from Occupy in 2011. The overall balance of forces is moving left.


CHAZ is already on a totally different level than Occupy.

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Postby Pangurstan » Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:56 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:
Not if you restock your shelves... People are able to go about their business in the CHAZ, it’s not a siege situation.


How are you going to pay for them?

With money

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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:56 pm

lol what a shitshow. Let's get a rundown of everything that went wrong

>first leader was transgender runaway and rapist
>Second leader larped as an African warlord
>Shortage of toilet paper
>Trying to plant food in cardboard
>Homeless people steal all the food
>Petty crime runs rampant
>needles found everywhere
>Didn't even make it two days


lmao this was amusing to watch
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:56 pm

Japan and Pacific States wrote:
Vetalia wrote:Apparently it's already under control by their very own warlord...from Seattle to Monrovia in one day.


Up that number to two warlords.

For anyone wondering, this exact thing is why the US has a thing called the "Insurrection act" which gives the US government the power to shut things like this down.

It's basically a cop-free hangout area for the Seattle protesters that had a "Capital Hill Autonomous Zone" sign stuck on a barricade by some random person which went viral on social media.
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The WA embassy within the Confederacy is at Ida Station (243 Ida in the Sol System), a Confederate member state which joined the WA to represent Confederate interests.

Add 3000 years for the date I use.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:56 pm

I don’t know how long it’ll last. Most autonomous zones in history have fizzled out. But this could surprisingly be different. I can’t say.
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Postby Brunswick-upon-Raritan » Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:56 pm

Nakena wrote:
Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:
That’s what they said about Occupy Wall Street, too. But it was NYPD riot police and bulldozers that forced Occupy out of Zuccotti Park, not internal collapse.

In any case, the CHAZ is much more sophisticated than Occupy. It’s much larger than just one small park, and it has much more local support. The CHAZ will probably end sooner or later just like Occupy did, but the CHAZ shows protesters have actually learned a lot from Occupy in 2011. The overall balance of forces is moving left.


CHAZ is already on a totally different level than Occupy.


I know, the CHAZ has assault rifles.
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Postby Diarcesia » Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:57 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:lol what a shitshow. Let's get a rundown of everything that went wrong

>first leader was transgender runaway and rapist
>Second leader larped as an African warlord
>Shortage of toilet paper
>Trying to plant food in cardboard
>Homeless people steal all the food
>Petty crime runs rampant
>needles found everywhere
>Didn't even make it two days


lmao this was amusing to watch

Whether they're right or wrong will play itself out for all to see. Watch.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:58 pm

Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:
Japan and Pacific States wrote:
Up that number to two warlords.

For anyone wondering, this exact thing is why the US has a thing called the "Insurrection act" which gives the US government the power to shut things like this down.


The first warlords with sociology degrees, probably.

The hysteria is real.


Your first warlord was a drug-addled transgender runaway rapist
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:59 pm

Diarcesia wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:lol what a shitshow. Let's get a rundown of everything that went wrong

>first leader was transgender runaway and rapist
>Second leader larped as an African warlord
>Shortage of toilet paper
>Trying to plant food in cardboard
>Homeless people steal all the food
>Petty crime runs rampant
>needles found everywhere
>Didn't even make it two days


lmao this was amusing to watch

Whether they're right or wrong will play itself out for all to see. Watch.


It already failed - they're in the process of cleaning things up
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:59 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:lol what a shitshow. Let's get a rundown of everything that went wrong

>first leader was transgender runaway and rapist
>Second leader larped as an African warlord
>Shortage of toilet paper
>Trying to plant food in cardboard
>Homeless people steal all the food
>Petty crime runs rampant
>needles found everywhere
>Didn't even make it two days


lmao this was amusing to watch


Amazing how when you remove law and order everything just goes to shit.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:00 pm

The food was not stolen from 'CHAZ'.

That was a fake tweet which has clearly gone viral.
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Stellar Colonies / the Confederation of Human Systems is a confederation which loosely unites a third of the Milky Way galaxy.

The WA embassy within the Confederacy is at Ida Station (243 Ida in the Sol System), a Confederate member state which joined the WA to represent Confederate interests.

Add 3000 years for the date I use.

If you want a mental image of me: Straight, white male of 19. With vision which is far less than 20/20.

I try to be objective, but I do have some biases.

Also, I'm diagnosed as a high-functioning autistic.

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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:00 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:lol what a shitshow. Let's get a rundown of everything that went wrong

>first leader was transgender runaway and rapist
>Second leader larped as an African warlord
>Shortage of toilet paper
>Trying to plant food in cardboard
>Homeless people steal all the food
>Petty crime runs rampant
>needles found everywhere
>Didn't even make it two days


lmao this was amusing to watch


Amazing how when you remove law and order everything just goes to shit.


It's almost like these movements tend to attract anti-social loons with drug problems and mental disorders - these aren't the kind of straight-laced people you need to run a movement
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Postby Brunswick-upon-Raritan » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:02 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:The food was not stolen from 'CHAZ'.

That was a fake tweet which has clearly gone viral.


Yeah, there’s a lot of fake news about the CHAZ, even though I’d assume it’s pretty easy for anyone in Seattle to check it out and see what’s happening... It’s not like the Bermuda Triangle.
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Postby Brunswick-upon-Raritan » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:03 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:It's almost like these movements tend to attract anti-social loons with drug problems and mental disorders - these aren't the kind of straight-laced people you need to run a movement


I mean there are literally doctors, nurses, lawyers, and business owners pitching in...
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:04 pm

I know that this isn’t gonna last long at all, but it’s based all the same.
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Postby Vetalia » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:05 pm

Japan and Pacific States wrote:Up that number to two warlords.

For anyone wondering, this exact thing is why the US has a thing called the "Insurrection act" which gives the US government the power to shut things like this down.


Two warlords? This is getting into Congo War territory...in a week.
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Postby Diarcesia » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:05 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:I know that this isn’t gonna last long at all, but it’s based all the same.

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Postby Vetalia » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:08 pm

Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:The first warlords with sociology degrees, probably.

The hysteria is real.


Great, the warlords have sociology degrees. Charles Taylor had a degree in economics, which is infinitely more useful than sociology but...well, I'll let history speak for itself.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:09 pm

Vetalia wrote:
Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:The first warlords with sociology degrees, probably.

The hysteria is real.


Great, the warlords have sociology degrees. Charles Taylor had a degree in economics, which is infinitely more useful than sociology but...well, I'll let history speak for itself.


Have you had these autonomous zones in the US before?
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Postby Vetalia » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:11 pm

Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:In any case, the CHAZ is much more sophisticated than Occupy. It’s much larger than just one small park, and it has much more local support. The CHAZ will probably end sooner or later just like Occupy did, but the CHAZ shows protesters have actually learned a lot from Occupy in 2011. The overall balance of forces is moving left.


Considering the outcome of this brilliant experiment I think you have inflamed the right and center in opposition.
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Postby Adathoria Isles » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:12 pm

All the best to the CHAZ protesters! They have even armed up and autonomized the surrounding blocks, so they can hold it for awhile. The anarchist takeover of the Police Station was a success I hear. Hopefully they can hold out a few more weeks at least.A month at best. Iv’e read about a lot larger autonomous zones and enclaves in history that are or have been larger.

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Postby Vetalia » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:12 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Have you had these autonomous zones in the US before?


No, unless you consider the Confederate States of America an autonomous zone.

Nanatsu, I thought you lived in the States?
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Postby Brunswick-upon-Raritan » Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:13 pm

Vetalia wrote:
Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:The first warlords with sociology degrees, probably.

The hysteria is real.


Great, the warlords have sociology degrees. Charles Taylor had a degree in economics, which is infinitely more useful than sociology but...well, I'll let history speak for itself.


I was just making a joke that these neighborhood “warlords” would probably be unrecognizable to any other kind of warlord. Gang violence might be more similar to that, and the CHAZ is a big step up from gang violence.
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