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How long do you think the CHAZ will continue to last for?

Not past the day after tomorrow
39
11%
Less than a week
65
19%
More than a week, less than a month
132
38%
More than one month, but not past August
62
18%
Into the Fall, but not the Winter
19
6%
Into Winter, or even 2021, or beyond
27
8%
 
Total votes : 344

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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:16 pm

Cisairse wrote:
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And who "proved" that it was a lie and how? A neutral third party, or "CHAZ"?


The author of the tweet being passed around as "evidence" that they had run out of food confirmed that the tweet was fake and that they never posted it.


So it wasn't propaganda, it was just a 4chan-esque meme Rightists passed around for laughs. Coolio.
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Postby Cisairse » Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:16 pm

Vetalia wrote:
Cisairse wrote:Because rightists and Republicans are determined to discredit the CHAZ as much as possible.

Remember the fabrication that started spreading the other day that the CHAZ had "run out of food"? Total lie, made up by righists to try and get public opinion turned away from the zone.


Yeah, those damn rightists making up the extortion racket to defame the leftist warlords with sociology degrees.


Yes, that is quite literally what's happening here.

Except the part about the "warlords." There no "warlords."

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Should I interpret this to be anything other than flamebaiting? Like, are you actually trying to participate in a debate now or should I assume this means you've given up?
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Postby Vetalia » Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:17 pm

Cisairse wrote:The author of the tweet being passed around as "evidence" that they had run out of food confirmed that the tweet was fake and that they never posted it.


You guys plant a garden yet?
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Postby Cisairse » Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:17 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Cisairse wrote:
The author of the tweet being passed around as "evidence" that they had run out of food confirmed that the tweet was fake and that they never posted it.


So it wasn't propaganda, it was just a 4chan-esque meme Rightists passed around for laughs. Coolio.


I guess, yeah.

Imo it becomes propaganda when rightists share it as "evidence" that CHAZ has failed, but to my knowledge it actually did start as a 4chan meme.
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Postby Minimark » Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:20 pm

This falls in 7 days max. When will people realize anarchy never works?

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Postby Vetalia » Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:20 pm

Cisairse wrote:Yes, that is quite literally what's happening here.


Prove to me there are no warlords and no extortion going on. Sounds like there's quite a bit of both, as a matter of fact...unless these business owners have some perverse incentive to lie about this, but why would they if the CHAZ is a land of peace and harmony?

Should I interpret this to be anything other than flamebaiting? Like, are you actually trying to participate in a debate now or should I assume this means you've given up?


It's not flame-baiting, it's a fact. You're preaching the utopia of the CHAZ when the facts prove otherwise.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:25 pm

Minimark wrote:This falls in 7 days max. When will people realize anarchy never works?


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Postby Cisairse » Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:26 pm

Vetalia wrote:
Cisairse wrote:Yes, that is quite literally what's happening here.


Prove to me there are no warlords and no extortion going on. Sounds like there's quite a bit of both, as a matter of fact...unless these business owners have some perverse incentive to lie about this, but why would they if the CHAZ is a land of peace and harmony?


https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

The only source reporting this said that it's disputed, not verified, and is itself an opinion piece (ie not statements of fact) in an overtly right-wing newspaper.
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Postby Minimark » Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:28 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Minimark wrote:This falls in 7 days max. When will people realize anarchy never works?


"B-b-but it's not *REAL* Anarchism!!!!11"


Im pretty sure real anarchism is now everyone is perpetually high on weed accross the world to harm eachother

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Postby Cisairse » Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:33 pm

According to BLM, the WRC•OPHA Philadelphia Autonomous Zone has established a permanent location for their housing initiative.
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Postby Myrensis » Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:34 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Cisairse wrote:
The author of the tweet being passed around as "evidence" that they had run out of food confirmed that the tweet was fake and that they never posted it.


So it wasn't propaganda, it was just a 4chan-esque meme Rightists passed around for laughs. Coolio.


And in other news: Seattle police are backpedaling on the claims of businesses being extorted

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Postby Cisairse » Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:35 pm

Myrensis wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
So it wasn't propaganda, it was just a 4chan-esque meme Rightists passed around for laughs. Coolio.


And in other news: Seattle police are backpedaling on the claims of businesses being extorted


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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:35 pm

Blockade them and wait until they give up.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:35 pm

Cisairse wrote:According to BLM, the WRC•OPHA Philadelphia Autonomous Zone has established a permanent location for their housing initiative.


I declare my street as the empire of the Black Forrest (I do wish the Bumi login would open up).

The problem? It's easy to declare it. It's another to defend it.
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Postby Cisairse » Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:38 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:Blockade them and wait until they give up.


Why?

The Black Forrest wrote:
Cisairse wrote:According to BLM, the WRC•OPHA Philadelphia Autonomous Zone has established a permanent location for their housing initiative.


I declare my street as the empire of the Black Forrest (I do wish the Bumi login would open up).

The problem? It's easy to declare it. It's another to defend it.


To be fair I said "established," not "declared." However, the announcement did say that they need more volunteers to guard the space mainly overnight. I'm not sure if the PAZ will be as successful as the CHAZ.
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Postby Aureumterra » Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:43 pm

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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:59 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Blockade them and wait until they give up.


Why?

The Black Forrest wrote:
I declare my street as the empire of the Black Forrest (I do wish the Bumi login would open up).

The problem? It's easy to declare it. It's another to defend it.


To be fair I said "established," not "declared." However, the announcement did say that they need more volunteers to guard the space mainly overnight. I'm not sure if the PAZ will be as successful as the CHAZ.


There is a problem. Volunteers with guns can't out fight trained professionals.

It won't come to that.

Once things calm down, CHAZ will fade away.
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Postby Senkaku » Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:59 pm

the amount of lies ppl even within Seattle are coming up w abt this place is wild- our police chief was saying unhinged shit about arson threats and protection rackets inside the zone (which are... patently false, as anyone who's been in there or interacted with any of the people or businesses inside can tell u)

police and emergency services are still able to go inside (cops have been inspecting their abandoned building all day and made clear they eventually want it back), everything is literally fine. it's just a barricaded area with lots of protesters, and the barricades have a legitimate reason for being there (that reason being someone tried to uhhhh murder a bunch of us with his car a few days back)

Minimark wrote:This falls in 7 days max. When will people realize anarchy never works?


it's literally still receiving all normal city services it is just a protest area that the police have decided to retreat from bc the only thing they seemed able to do when they were there was escalate the situation and shoot people in the chest with flashbangs or carpet entire streets with gas

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Cisairse wrote:
Because rightists and Republicans are determined to discredit the CHAZ as much as possible.

Remember the fabrication that started spreading the other day that the CHAZ had "run out of food"? Total lie, made up by righists to try and get public opinion turned away from the zone.


And who "proved" that it was a lie and how? A neutral third party, or "CHAZ"?

I mean I can drive over and take some more pictures if you're really that skeptical lol but there's multiple restaurants inside the area that are getting along just fine w the demonstrators so idt they're in danger of starving
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Postby Aureumterra » Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:02 pm

Vetalia wrote:
Cisairse wrote:Because rightists and Republicans are determined to discredit the CHAZ as much as possible.

Remember the fabrication that started spreading the other day that the CHAZ had "run out of food"? Total lie, made up by righists to try and get public opinion turned away from the zone.


Yeah, those damn rightists making up the extortion racket to defame the leftist warlords with sociology degrees. You sound like Squealer from Animal Farm saying everything is great when you're in a world of shit.

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Postby Nakena » Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:03 pm

Senkaku wrote:the amount of lies ppl even within Seattle are coming up w abt this place is wild- our police chief was saying unhinged shit about arson threats and protection rackets inside the zone (which are... patently false, as anyone who's been in there or interacted with any of the people or businesses inside can tell u)

police and emergency services are still able to go inside (cops have been inspecting their abandoned building all day and made clear they eventually want it back), everything is literally fine. it's just a barricaded area with lots of protesters, and the barricades have a legitimate reason for being there (that reason being someone tried to uhhhh murder a bunch of us with his car a few days back)

Minimark wrote:This falls in 7 days max. When will people realize anarchy never works?


it's literally still receiving all normal city services it is just a protest area that the police have decided to retreat from bc the only thing they seemed able to do when they were there was escalate the situation and shoot people in the chest with flashbangs or carpet entire streets with gas

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
And who "proved" that it was a lie and how? A neutral third party, or "CHAZ"?

I mean I can drive over and take some more pictures if you're really that skeptical lol but there's multiple restaurants inside the area that are getting along just fine w the demonstrators so idt they're in danger of starving


Sounds fairly reasonable. Thank you. So basically it's literally nothing happening over there at all and all blown out of proportion?

So no actual autonomous zone or so? ^^

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Postby Diarcesia » Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:04 pm

Nakena wrote:
Senkaku wrote:the amount of lies ppl even within Seattle are coming up w abt this place is wild- our police chief was saying unhinged shit about arson threats and protection rackets inside the zone (which are... patently false, as anyone who's been in there or interacted with any of the people or businesses inside can tell u)

police and emergency services are still able to go inside (cops have been inspecting their abandoned building all day and made clear they eventually want it back), everything is literally fine. it's just a barricaded area with lots of protesters, and the barricades have a legitimate reason for being there (that reason being someone tried to uhhhh murder a bunch of us with his car a few days back)



it's literally still receiving all normal city services it is just a protest area that the police have decided to retreat from bc the only thing they seemed able to do when they were there was escalate the situation and shoot people in the chest with flashbangs or carpet entire streets with gas


I mean I can drive over and take some more pictures if you're really that skeptical lol but there's multiple restaurants inside the area that are getting along just fine w the demonstrators so idt they're in danger of starving


Sounds fairly reasonable. Thank you. So basically it's literally nothing happening over there at all and all blown out of proportion?

So no actual autonomous zone or so? ^^

Calling it an autonomous zone sounds like it was deliberately chosen to maximize publicity if this is true.
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Postby Brunswick-upon-Raritan » Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:06 pm

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Vetalia wrote:
I don't waste my time with propaganda videos, answer my question - why would anyone be reporting extortion if everything is A-OK and the CHAZ is a big happy family?


Because rightists and Republicans are determined to discredit the CHAZ as much as possible.

Remember the fabrication that started spreading the other day that the CHAZ had "run out of food"? Total lie, made up by righists to try and get public opinion turned away from the zone.


Right-wingers are just upset they couldn’t figure out how to do this in Michigan.

Now all those gun-waving militia men in the capitol crying ‘down with the Whitmer dictatorship!’ seem kind of amateur next to the CHAZ.
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Postby Senkaku » Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:06 pm

Nakena wrote:
Senkaku wrote:the amount of lies ppl even within Seattle are coming up w abt this place is wild- our police chief was saying unhinged shit about arson threats and protection rackets inside the zone (which are... patently false, as anyone who's been in there or interacted with any of the people or businesses inside can tell u)

police and emergency services are still able to go inside (cops have been inspecting their abandoned building all day and made clear they eventually want it back), everything is literally fine. it's just a barricaded area with lots of protesters, and the barricades have a legitimate reason for being there (that reason being someone tried to uhhhh murder a bunch of us with his car a few days back)



it's literally still receiving all normal city services it is just a protest area that the police have decided to retreat from bc the only thing they seemed able to do when they were there was escalate the situation and shoot people in the chest with flashbangs or carpet entire streets with gas


I mean I can drive over and take some more pictures if you're really that skeptical lol but there's multiple restaurants inside the area that are getting along just fine w the demonstrators so idt they're in danger of starving


Sounds fairly reasonable. Thank you. So basically it's literally nothing happening over there at all and all blown out of proportion?

So no actual autonomous zone or so? ^^

I mean there is something happening- the streets are barricaded and the cops have abandoned East Precinct, but it's not like some kind of no-go zone like we used to hear about in the French banlieus when Breitbart had that moral panic a few years back. There's consistently crowds milling around, speakers talking, I heard the other night they watched some movies. They have some tents with food and water and medical supplies set up here and there. You can walk in and out and no one will give you any shit

But if this is qualifying to people as some sort of insurrectionist commune, then like... I guess we better suppress every youth soccer tournament in America too lol
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Postby Senkaku » Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:09 pm

Diarcesia wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Sounds fairly reasonable. Thank you. So basically it's literally nothing happening over there at all and all blown out of proportion?

So no actual autonomous zone or so? ^^

Calling it an autonomous zone sounds like it was deliberately chosen to maximize publicity if this is true.

it started getting called that literally because someone wrote "welcome to free capitol hill" or something on one of the barricades and then people on twitter just sorta came to a consensus, but yes, it's being treated as a media circus (especially by right-wing fearmongers who seem to think we're in full Red Paris mode over here, you can thank KOMO and their Sinclaire Group owners for a lot of that tbh)

city water, gas, power, and emergency services are still very much able to go in though
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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:09 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Blockade them and wait until they give up.


Why?

The whole endeavor is obnoxious. I get the impression that these folks are not keen on establishing any kind of long-term order to account for their urban vulnerability (i.e. no farmland, therefore no consistent food source).
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