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How long do you think the CHAZ will continue to last for?

Not past the day after tomorrow
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Less than a week
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19%
More than a week, less than a month
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38%
More than one month, but not past August
63
18%
Into the Fall, but not the Winter
19
5%
Into Winter, or even 2021, or beyond
28
8%
 
Total votes : 346

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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:04 pm

Xmara wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/29/us/chop-seattle-shooting/index.html

Another shooting in CHAZ leaves one man dead and a 14 year old boy injured

Good thing no more of them will happen.
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Postby Xmara » Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:06 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
Xmara wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/29/us/chop-seattle-shooting/index.html

Another shooting in CHAZ leaves one man dead and a 14 year old boy injured

Good thing no more of them will happen.

:?:
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Postby Auze » Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:08 pm

Anyone want to calculate the shootings per square mile and compare to a normal American city?
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:08 pm

Xmara wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Good thing no more of them will happen.

:?:

Don't you hear? The zones collapsing. The police chief said they will take it back, the mayor ordered the barricades to be removed, trump said a week or two ago he will do it himself if Seattle doesn't do it, and the protesters are shrinking in numbers. The zone is lucky to survive to the day after tomorrow, as I said before.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:22 pm

Xmara wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/29/us/chop-seattle-shooting/index.html

Another shooting in CHAZ leaves one man dead and a 14 year old boy injured

Another? When was the first?
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Postby Xmara » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:27 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Xmara wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/29/us/chop-seattle-shooting/index.html

Another shooting in CHAZ leaves one man dead and a 14 year old boy injured

Another? When was the first?

A couple of weeks ago.

According to the article there's been like five shootings
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:42 pm

Xmara wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Another? When was the first?

A couple of weeks ago.

According to the article there's been like five shootings

Shit man. That's what happens when you let the anarkiddies run your society. *insert smug face or some shit*
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:41 pm

Auze wrote:Anyone want to calculate the shootings per square mile and compare to a normal American city?


Shootings per capita per day would be a better measure.

Horrendously bad, if only the CHAZ people are counted.
Maybe not so bad if the residents of the zone are included.
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:46 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
Xmara wrote: :?:

Don't you hear? The zones collapsing. The police chief said they will take it back, the mayor ordered the barricades to be removed, trump said a week or two ago he will do it himself if Seattle doesn't do it, and the protesters are shrinking in numbers. The zone is lucky to survive to the day after tomorrow, as I said before.


Ah, that's good.

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Postby The Remote Islands » Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:20 am

I'm just glad someone made a Civilization mod putting CHAZ in the game.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:14 am

Wayneactia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:When will you stop asking that?

I've asked a grand sum of two times, about a week apart.

Once was sufficient for your suggestion that responsible adults should violently suppress dissent.


Auze wrote:Anyone want to calculate the shootings per square mile and compare to a normal American city?

No, no. See, when there's shootings anywhere else in America, that doesn't count. Shootings only count when they're in or near the CHAZ, because some people just desperately hate the idea that people can get by without the police.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:17 am

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Auze wrote:Anyone want to calculate the shootings per square mile and compare to a normal American city?

No, no. See, when there's shootings anywhere else in America, that doesn't count. Shootings only count when they're in or near the CHAZ, because some people just desperately hate the idea that people can get by without the police.


No, you don't want to calculate the shootings per square mile. Because just by the seat of your pants you know five shootings is quite a lot, and if it really is a lot, that would cast doubt on the idea that people can get by without the police.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:33 am

Ifreann wrote:...some people just desperately hate the idea that people can get by without the police.

Come to think of it, this thread is full of people saying that the CHAZ needs to be violently dismantled. That the police need to storm the place or soldiers need to be sent in. Perhaps the shootings in the CHAZ are happening not because the absence of cops has lead to rampant violence, but because some people are willing to put action to the sentiments we have seen expressed here.
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Postby Stylan » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:01 am

CHAZ is proof anarchism sucks and tankies/Marxist-Leninists/Maoists/etc were right again.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:04 am

Stylan wrote:CHAZ is proof anarchism sucks and tankies/Marxist-Leninists/Maoists/etc were right again.

How so?
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Postby Stylan » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:06 am

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Stylan wrote:CHAZ is proof anarchism sucks and tankies/Marxist-Leninists/Maoists/etc were right again.

How so?

CHAZ was to my knowledge a crypto-anarchist community and iirc they had some mishaps. Though I could be wrong about that, if so ignore my previous statement.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:09 am

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Ifreann wrote:How so?

CHAZ was to my knowledge a crypto-anarchist community and iirc they had some mishaps. Though I could be wrong about that, if so ignore my previous statement.

It is an anarchist community that spontaneously formed around an abandoned police precinct.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:09 am

Ifreann wrote:
Ifreann wrote:...some people just desperately hate the idea that people can get by without the police.

Come to think of it, this thread is full of people saying that the CHAZ needs to be violently dismantled. That the police need to storm the place or soldiers need to be sent in. Perhaps the shootings in the CHAZ are happening not because the absence of cops has lead to rampant violence, but because some people are willing to put action to the sentiments we have seen expressed here.


Yeah? I guess we'll find out when the shooters are brought to trial.
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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:24 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Come to think of it, this thread is full of people saying that the CHAZ needs to be violently dismantled. That the police need to storm the place or soldiers need to be sent in. Perhaps the shootings in the CHAZ are happening not because the absence of cops has lead to rampant violence, but because some people are willing to put action to the sentiments we have seen expressed here.


Yeah? I guess we'll find out when the shooters are brought to trial.


Likely wont happen little evidence was gathered and Chaz's security appears to have destroyed evidence either from incompetence or intentionally.
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Postby United Dependencies » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:32 am

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Yeah? I guess we'll find out when the shooters are brought to trial.


Likely wont happen little evidence was gathered and Chaz's security appears to have destroyed evidence either from incompetence or intentionally.

Maybe they should create a body with the training and know how to preserve evidence and investigate deaths.
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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:34 am

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Likely wont happen little evidence was gathered and Chaz's security appears to have destroyed evidence either from incompetence or intentionally.

Maybe they should create a body with the training and know how to preserve evidence and investigate deaths.


It looks like they skipped that and went right to covering up shootings involving them.

I am sure it is only a few bad apples in Chaz security.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:02 am

Will this thread be shut down once CHAZ disappears?
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:26 am

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Will this thread be shut down once CHAZ disappears?

Probably not. We can discuss thing that no longer exist.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:11 am

Ifreann wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Will this thread be shut down once CHAZ disappears?

Probably not. We can discuss thing that no longer exist.

I guess it will be about how exactly CHAZ will go down in history. i already offered the basics.
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Postby -Ocelot- » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:13 am

Ifreann wrote:
Ifreann wrote:...some people just desperately hate the idea that people can get by without the police.

Come to think of it, this thread is full of people saying that the CHAZ needs to be violently dismantled. That the police need to storm the place or soldiers need to be sent in. Perhaps the shootings in the CHAZ are happening not because the absence of cops has lead to rampant violence, but because some people are willing to put action to the sentiments we have seen expressed here.


I don't get why anti-anarchists would want the police to storm the place. If anything, they should promote the existence of CHAZ and let it give birth to more and more examples of why anarchism is horrible.

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