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Viva la Chaz! Seattle's Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ)

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How long do you think the CHAZ will continue to last for?

Not past the day after tomorrow
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Less than a week
65
19%
More than a week, less than a month
132
38%
More than one month, but not past August
63
18%
Into the Fall, but not the Winter
19
5%
Into Winter, or even 2021, or beyond
28
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Postby UniversalCommons » Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:40 pm

My sister walked through the CHAZ. She said it reminded her of Telegraph Avenue in Berkeley. What failed here is that they did not prepare any basic services at the level which is needed, fire, police, and medical. They kicked them all out without any proper alternative. This is often the failure of anarchistic type ventures.

When the gang bangers showed up as they do, without proper training, they could not handle them. The gangs stole and tried to burn down a building. If they let the police in, they probably could have handled it properly. But, on principal, they would not let the police in. The hard liners kind of messed up. Same goes with the fire department and the hospital.

Complete and total lack of preparation in terms of infrastructure. Good at destroying infrastructure, but don't have the ability to replace the infrastructure.

Thus, the inevitable happens, when situations arise like they need the fire department and the hardliners try and prove they don't need a fire department, they can take care of it. It falls apart, people get hurt, nastiness ensues. This is a weakness of many "autonomous zones." or other type of protests. They want to be more than a protest, but prove they are not capable of doing it themselves.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:57 am

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If you are not letting the police in how in bloody hell do you expect them to remove Nazis and Proud Boys ?

I don't expect the police to remove Proud Boys or Nazis. I expect the police to work with them because they have broadly the same goals.

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:06 pm

Is CHAZ dead yet, or have they realized the necessity of the vanguard party to bring about revolution managed to hold their own?
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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:54 pm

Another shooting in the CHOP.

https://nypost.com/2020/06/29/16-year-o ... -shooting/

This time a 16 year old is dead and a 14 year old is seriously injured. It also appears evidence was tampered with in the vehicle where they were in when shot.

If I had a guess CHOP security covered up shooting someone.

It appears emergency services were let in this time.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:01 pm

Greed and Death wrote:Another shooting in the CHOP.

https://nypost.com/2020/06/29/16-year-o ... -shooting/

This time a 16 year old is dead and a 14 year old is seriously injured. It also appears evidence was tampered with in the vehicle where they were in when shot.

If I had a guess CHOP security covered up shooting someone.

It appears emergency services were let in this time.

So it's called CHOP now?
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Postby WayNeacTia » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:05 pm

Is this still a thing? Is someone going to finally be an adult, grow a set and put an end to this?
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:07 pm

Well, looks like CHAZ/CHOP is collapsing. It's apparently reduced to a few streets and less than a thousand protesters, maybe as low as a few dozen. The police have been tasked with taking the place back and enforcing law. My guess is, by 4th of July, the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone will go down with Bavaria, the Ruhr, Soviet Hungary, and Socialist Slovakia as a short lived experiment by leftists.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:07 pm

Wayneactia wrote:Is this still a thing? Is someone going to finally be an adult, grow a set and put an end to this?

Well, I have a plan, but it involves lots of necromancy and a trip to Moscow.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:09 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:Is this still a thing? Is someone going to finally be an adult, grow a set and put an end to this?

Well, I have a plan, but it involves lots of necromancy and a trip to Moscow.

You had me on a trip to Moscow. Tell me your plan.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:09 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Well, looks like CHAZ/CHOP is collapsing. It's apparently reduced to a few streets and less than a thousand protesters, maybe as low as a few dozen. The police have been tasked with taking the place back and enforcing law. My guess is, by 4th of July, the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone will go down with Bavaria, the Ruhr, Soviet Hungary, and Socialist Slovakia as a short lived experiment by leftists.

What can you expect? That's what happens without the vanguard party. :p
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:09 pm

Wayneactia wrote:Is this still a thing? Is someone going to finally be an adult, grow a set and put an end to this?

When will you stop asking that?
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Postby WayNeacTia » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:10 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:Is this still a thing? Is someone going to finally be an adult, grow a set and put an end to this?

When will you stop asking that?

I've asked a grand sum of two times, about a week apart.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:11 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Well, I have a plan, but it involves lots of necromancy and a trip to Moscow.

You had me on a trip to Moscow. Tell me your plan.

You know Lenin's tomb? Let's just say it won't be a tomb for very long...
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:12 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:You had me on a trip to Moscow. Tell me your plan.

You know Lenin's tomb? Let's just say it won't be a tomb for very long...

Are you suggesting bringing him back and sending him to CHAZ to spank the protesters or giving a speech? Bonus points if it's on a train.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:15 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:You know Lenin's tomb? Let's just say it won't be a tomb for very long...

Are you suggesting bringing him back and sending him to CHAZ to spank the protesters or giving a speech? Bonus points if it's on a train.

Come to think of it, both sounds nice. If Lenin went over to CHAZ and spanked some anarkiddie while speaking, i'd be there if it was the last thing I ever did.
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Postby WayNeacTia » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:17 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:You know Lenin's tomb? Let's just say it won't be a tomb for very long...

Are you suggesting bringing him back and sending him to CHAZ to spank the protesters or giving a speech? Bonus points if it's on a train.

Send in Kruschev and let him bang on the podium with his shoe. That will likely get a reaction. :lol:
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:17 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:You know Lenin's tomb? Let's just say it won't be a tomb for very long...

Are you suggesting bringing him back and sending him to CHAZ to spank the protesters or giving a speech? Bonus points if it's on a train.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:17 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:You had me on a trip to Moscow. Tell me your plan.

You know Lenin's tomb? Let's just say it won't be a tomb for very long...

While we're resurrecting dead communists, can we stop by Beijing and Hanoi as well?
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:19 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:You know Lenin's tomb? Let's just say it won't be a tomb for very long...

While we're resurrecting dead communists, can we stop by Beijing and Hanoi as well?

You're damn right we can. And while we're at it, fuck it, we're bringing back Tito.
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Postby WayNeacTia » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:20 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Are you suggesting bringing him back and sending him to CHAZ to spank the protesters or giving a speech? Bonus points if it's on a train.

"Must... Crush... Anarchism..."

Didn't Lenin start out as an anarchist? If I recall correctly, his brother was executed for trying to blow up the Tsar.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:21 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:While we're resurrecting dead communists, can we stop by Beijing and Hanoi as well?

You're damn right we can. And while we're at it, fuck it, we're bringing back Tito.

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:25 pm

Wayneactia wrote:
Gormwood wrote:"Must... Crush... Anarchism..."

Didn't Lenin start out as an anarchist? If I recall correctly, his brother was executed for trying to blow up the Tsar.

We all start out young and stupid. :p
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:26 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:You're damn right we can. And while we're at it, fuck it, we're bringing back Tito.

Hell yeah!

And we're taking the Yugo. I'll be blasting Soviet synthpop the whole way, but let me know if it's too loud.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:26 pm

Anyway, the way I see it, CHAZ is lucky to make it to July 1st, let alone the end of next month.
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Postby Xmara » Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:01 pm

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/29/us/chop- ... index.html

Another shooting in CHAZ leaves one man dead and a 14 year old boy injured
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