Is Antifa a terrorist group and should it be banned?

[West Leas Oros 2]

No they aren’t, and no they shouldn’t. You can’t ban a vague set of beliefs

*Activating Trot Shitpost mode*
That said, most of them are pathetic “anarchists” who haven’t read a page of theory in their life, don’t give a flying fuck about the ideals they pretend to espouse, and just want to break shit. My advice? “Just keep looking at the flowers.” :^)

[Atheris]

The alt-right's own fearmongering has turned antifa into a dreaded entity in their minds more than anything antifascists have ever done.

But they broke a window. You don't understand they broke a window.

"You are a thief!"
"I stole a loaf of bread!"
"You robbed a house!"
"I broke a window paaaaaaaaaaaaaaane..."

[Kubra]

North Korea is a discrete entity. You can point to the government of North Korea and say, "this is the government of North Korea." From that standpoint, you can make judgements about whether they live up to their name.

There is no discrete "Antifa" organization. You can't say "Antifa doesn't live up to its name!" because there is no "Antifa."

Here we go with semantics. Antifa may not be a permanent organization, but it rallies behind a common cause and use peer-to-peer network and social media to communicate and organize events. That makes Antifa a movement or more precisely, a group.

This group and its name are one of the most recognizable things in the US. If there is no "Antifa", then why when you invoke the name, people immediately know what group that is - a militant anarcho-communist group? Why not any other group of people who is also anti-fascist? Or is it what it is, a movement mainly created by communists, infamous for their violent activities?

well riddle me this, batman: how would you ban hipsters?

[Proctopeo]

Here we go with semantics. Antifa may not be a permanent organization, but it rallies behind a common cause and use peer-to-peer network and social media to communicate and organize events. That makes Antifa a movement or more precisely, a group.

This group and its name are one of the most recognizable things in the US. If there is no "Antifa", then why when you invoke the name, people immediately know what group that is - a militant anarcho-communist group? Why not any other group of people who is also anti-fascist? Or is it what it is, a movement mainly created by communists, infamous for their violent activities?

well riddle me this, batman: how would you ban hipsters?

anti-flannel propaganda

[Kubra]

well riddle me this, batman: how would you ban hipsters?

anti-flannel propaganda

But then what do you do about the cardigans and doc martens

[Atheris]

anti-flannel propaganda

But then what do you do about the cardigans and doc martens

fire

[Kubra]

But then what do you do about the cardigans and doc martens

fire

jet fuel can't melt patented air cushioned soles

[Novus America]

Antifa isn't an organization to begin with, it's just a title for people who hate fascism.

Anti = against
fa = fascism

It's that simple, and anyone who's against antifa is probably just fa. Furthermore, because it's not an organization that means the government can accuse anyone of being antifa whether they describe themselves as such or not.

We went over that. Most people opposed to fascism do not identify as “Antifa”, forcing political labels on other people and using the whole “with us or a fascist” thing for you own political purposes is no bueno.

That said obviously trying to declare a political label a terrorist organization is still stupid.

[Eternal Cesken]

yes

/thread

[Atheris]

fire

jet fuel can't melt patented air cushioned soles

i never said jet fuel.

i said my mixtape.

[Liriena]

yes

/thread

Oh damn, you said "/thread". Now we can't ask you to elaborate. The debate is over

[Gormwood]

Imagine if the question was "Is AnCap a terrorist group and shpuld it be banned?"

[Proctopeo]

Imagine if the question was "Is AnCap a terrorist group and shpuld it be banned?"

you botched your attempt at flipping it over to the opposite group, doc

[Gormwood]

Imagine if the question was "Is AnCap a terrorist group and shpuld it be banned?"

you botched your attempt at flipping it over to the opposite group, doc

No. People like you are finding it preposterous, which somehow doesn't apply when it's antifa.

[Proctopeo]

you botched your attempt at flipping it over to the opposite group, doc

No. People like you are finding it preposterous, which somehow doesn't apply when it's antifa.

no, my point was, "antifa" and "ancaps" aren't opposites, even though many antifa do describe themselves as ancoms

you also appear to be fishing for hypocrisy, which is a strategy that I remember you having decried before

[Dolgo]

Yes, Antifa should be classified as a communist terror organization. Under a good government, the United States should consider detention without trial for violent subversives or those who insist on subverting public order, especially in times like this. There is simply no other way. Permitting trials in highly sensitive cases of sedition will interfere with the ability of security agencies to operate effectively. Some threats are too dangerous, preemptive detainment is necessary, albeit not indefinitely, and with the right to trial restored after a period of time. Of course, with granting government such a powerful tool, a strict zero tolerance of corruption needs to be in place—something that definitely does not exist in the United States.

Donald Trump is the exact opposite of what an administration should be. Laws need to be passed to keep all political radicals under control, whether they be communists, Chauvinists, or other radicals driven to destroy civil society. At this point, I'd say America is long passed its point of saving. I'd get out of the country as soon as possible. and move somewhere with a culture that isn't hellbent on civil war. Looks like a sinkhole waiting to happen to me, one day the ground is just going to swallow every resemblance of law and order... And Humpty Dumpty won't be able to put back together again. If you can afford it, move and invest in a country with a future worth having citizenship in.

Pragmatically speaking, attempting to designate Antifa as a terrorist organization is just going to lead to drama. Instead, invest in better policing, education, and provide more resources to intelligence agencies and the FBI to investigate domestic threats.

[Gormwood]

Yes, Antifa should be classified as a communist terror organization. Under a good government, the United States should consider detention without trial for violent subversives or those who insist on subverting public order, especially in times like this. There is simply no other way. Permitting trials in highly sensitive cases of sedition will interfere with the ability of security agencies to operate effectively. Some threats are too dangerous, preemptive detainment is necessary, albeit not indefinitely, and with the right to trial restored after a period of time. Of course, with granting government such a powerful tool, a strict zero tolerance of corruption needs to be in place—something that definitely does not exist in the United States.

Donald Trump is the exact opposite of what an administration should be. Laws need to be passed to keep all political radicals under control, whether they be communists, Chauvinists, or other radicals driven to destroy civil society. At this point, I'd say America is long passed its point of saving. I'd get out of the country as soon as possible. and move somewhere with a culture that isn't hellbent on civil war. Looks like a sinkhole waiting to happen to me, one day the ground is just going to swallow every resemblance of law and order... And Humpty Dumpty won't be able to put back together again. If you can afford it, move and invest in a country with a future worth having citizenship in.

Pragmatically speaking, attempting to designate Antifa as a terrorist organization is just going to lead to drama. Instead, invest in better policing, education, and provide more resources to intelligence agencies and the FBI to investigate domestic threats.

Get deep cover operatives to infiltrate Antifa Central Command.

[Dolgo]

Yes, Antifa should be classified as a communist terror organization. Under a good government, the United States should consider detention without trial for violent subversives or those who insist on subverting public order, especially in times like this. There is simply no other way. Permitting trials in highly sensitive cases of sedition will interfere with the ability of security agencies to operate effectively. Some threats are too dangerous, preemptive detainment is necessary, albeit not indefinitely, and with the right to trial restored after a period of time. Of course, with granting government such a powerful tool, a strict zero tolerance of corruption needs to be in place—something that definitely does not exist in the United States.

Donald Trump is the exact opposite of what an administration should be. Laws need to be passed to keep all political radicals under control, whether they be communists, Chauvinists, or other radicals driven to destroy civil society. At this point, I'd say America is long passed its point of saving. I'd get out of the country as soon as possible. and move somewhere with a culture that isn't hellbent on civil war. Looks like a sinkhole waiting to happen to me, one day the ground is just going to swallow every resemblance of law and order... And Humpty Dumpty won't be able to put back together again. If you can afford it, move and invest in a country with a future worth having citizenship in.

Pragmatically speaking, attempting to designate Antifa as a terrorist organization is just going to lead to drama. Instead, invest in better policing, education, and provide more resources to intelligence agencies and the FBI to investigate domestic threats.

Get deep cover operatives to infiltrate Antifa Central Command.

Who said they have a Central Command? You're not an Antifa spy are you? Are you now or have you ever been?

[Lalune]

If someone is threatening you or your friends, you have a right to defend yourselves.
Fascists want to get rid of people just for being a certain way. you can't change your color or sexuality.
A person can stop being a fascist and antifa will leave them alone.

[Rojava Free State]

If someone is threatening you or your friends, you have a right to defend yourselves.
Fascists want to get rid of people just for being a certain way. you can't change your color or sexuality.
A person can stop being a fascist and antifa will leave them alone.

How about we dont physically assault people unless they start violence first? I used to like to start fights and then one day I made the mistake of fighting a guy on PCP.

Guess who never went looking for fights again? Lmao.

[Atheris]

If someone is threatening you or your friends, you have a right to defend yourselves.
Fascists want to get rid of people just for being a certain way. you can't change your color or sexuality.
A person can stop being a fascist and antifa will leave them alone.

Absolutely not. It is in my moral code to never fight unless someone fights me first and I feel like a lot more people should grasp that fighting is bad. If you wanna fight someone for their political beliefs, do it verbally, not by hitting them with a bike lock, punching them on live television, or nearly killing them for carrying the flag.

[Exxosia]

Anti-fascist means anti-fascist, antifa means communist gangs/thugs. It's an example of how they convolute the meaning of things. So people can't say they are against antifa because that would make them somehow not against fascism. I am anti-fascist, I would never call myself antifa because it is its own ideology separate from anti-fascism.

They are not a terrorist group, they are just gangs/thugs and should be treated as such.

[Dolgo]

If someone is threatening you or your friends, you have a right to defend yourselves.
Fascists want to get rid of people just for being a certain way. you can't change your color or sexuality.
A person can stop being a fascist and antifa will leave them alone.

Not even in countries that restrict hate speech do they allow violence because of an opinion someone expressed. Even in Singapore... When Lee Kuan Yew died... Some random edgelord teenager (who later turned out to be an advocate for child molestation) made an obscene disrespectful video towards Lee's passing. He was charged.

Well, a member of the public thought it would be a good idea to give him a lesson, extrajudicial style. The teen got slapped. I'm sure some in the back of their mind thought that the teen maybe "deserved" it, but in the end the rule of law must prevail. The guy who slapped him was swiftly sentenced to time in jail. That's because it doesn't matter whether or not the guy was right in public opinion or morality, what matters is that vigilantism must not be tolerated. The public cannot and should not take the place of the judicial system.

[Novus America]

If someone is threatening you or your friends, you have a right to defend yourselves.
Fascists want to get rid of people just for being a certain way. you can't change your color or sexuality.
A person can stop being a fascist and antifa will leave them alone.

It is more complicated than that. You cannot claim self defense unless they are an IMMEDIATE threat. Claiming preemptive self defense because someone has ideologies that would maybe threaten you if they ever took power but almost certainly will not, is not going to fly.

Also not all fascists are Nazis anyways.

[Fal Loconia]

Antifa are retarded and any claims that they are peaceful or that their cause is righteous are invalid. No other political organization in recent history has been responsible for as much violence, property damage and harrassment as that conducted by Antifa and its enablers. There's a reason why people call them the 'gaystapo".