Is Antifa a terrorist group and should it be banned?

[The Reformed American Republic]

Not an organization, but many who rally under their banner are thugs and criminals, especially the ones dressed in all black.

[Czechostan]

They are not terrorists, they only support terrorism. Those who support fascist baby killers can never fight fascism

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Assad's got a lot more in common with fascism than the YPG.

[Rojava Free State]

They are not terrorists, they only support terrorism. Those who support fascist baby killers can never fight fascism

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Assad's got a lot more in common with fascism than the YPG.

God Erdogan basically is a fascist. The ultranationalism and racism, the oppression of the free press, the military parades, delusions of past grandeur and invading neighboring countries so his people have new "living room" (we all remember the last time that happened).

[Jabberwocky]

It would be just like trump to ban an organization that doesn't actually exist outside his fevered imagination.

[South Reinkalistan]

I can't imagine fascists would impose free speech upon a society. If antifa wants to deplatform and shut down fascists, does that still make them evil?

Evil no. Wrong yes. Even fascists should be allowed to speak. When we let the craziest people on all sides speak we know our ideas are probably safe, and besides, don't you wanna know who the racists are so you can steer clear of them?

We see fascism being proliferated, even when we know it should not be perpetuated. Why pursue inaction?

[Nakena]

They also attack and go after way too many people who are not really neo-nazis. They do not understand that attacking people who aren't comitted neo-nazis is just radicalizing them and installing an persecution us vs. them mentality into those people.

Which is an central part of the neo-nazi ideology and worldview to begin with.

Real anti-nazi work should be focused on removing the sway of the harmful nazi ideology which is often acting like a mind virus.

[The Reformed American Republic]

1. Antifa isn't a single, top-down organization but a horizontal movement of autonomous groups.

2. Although right-wingers like to harp on Antifa using violent tactics, people from Antifa do a lot more, like making hand-sanitizer for essential workers and organizing relief networks for victims of Hurricane Harvey.

Doesn't excuse anything else they do though. Some imbeciles within the movement put a liberal in the hospital once over an American flag.

[Dumb Ideologies]

There's a case for it. They use violence to pursue political goals. Perhaps they're not primarily focused at civilians due to their eternal run-ins with the police, but they're happy to attack any march or speech they disagree with (who usually aren't fascist).

How plausible is it though to ban something without formal membership where anyone can just turn up and do something and associate themselves with it? How could this be implemented? Is it worth it if it's only symbolic?

[Rojava Free State]

Evil no. Wrong yes. Even fascists should be allowed to speak. When we let the craziest people on all sides speak we know our ideas are probably safe, and besides, don't you wanna know who the racists are so you can steer clear of them?

We see fascism being proliferated, even when we know it should not be perpetuated. Why pursue inaction?

I never called for inaction. I once saw people protesting outside my job about covid allegedly being a hoax, so I told them they're lucky they didn't lose nobody to the disease and they they need better news sources than Alex Jones. You have other options that do nothing or get violent. I say let the fascists speak but show up and picket them as they do. That's what free speech is all about, the right to peacefully argue.

[Rojava Free State]

1. Antifa isn't a single, top-down organization but a horizontal movement of autonomous groups.

2. Although right-wingers like to harp on Antifa using violent tactics, people from Antifa do a lot more, like making hand-sanitizer for essential workers and organizing relief networks for victims of Hurricane Harvey.

Doesn't excuse anything else they do though. Some imbeciles within the movement put a liberal in the hospital once over an American flag.

Some antifas are bad. Some are not.

[Stellar Colonies]

You can't ban "Antifa" because it isn't an organization, it's a movement anyone can join freely.

All you can do is go after the ones who beat up random people on a case by case basis.

[South Reinkalistan]

We see fascism being proliferated, even when we know it should not be perpetuated. Why pursue inaction?

I never called for inaction. I once saw people protesting outside my job about covid allegedly being a hoax, so I told them they're lucky they didn't lose nobody to the disease and they they need better news sources than Alex Jones. You have other options that do nothing or get violent. I say let the fascists speak but show up and picket them as they do. That's what free speech is all about, the right to peacefully argue.

And if a threat to standard free speech and "peaceful argument" arises, you put it down by all means possible. The very existence of fascism is aggressive, and therefore violence against it is, in theory, self-defence.

[Rojava Free State]

You can't ban "Antifa" because it isn't an organization, it's a movement anyone can join freely.

All you can do is go after the ones who beat up random people on a case by case basis.

I am antifascist. I guess I'm going to superjail now.

[The Legion of Mankind]

Ok

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Assad's got a lot more in common with fascism than the YPG.

God Erdogan basically is a fascist. The ultranationalism and racism, the oppression of the free press, the military parades, delusions of past grandeur and invading neighboring countries so his people have new "living room" (we all remember the last time that happened).

This does not change the fact that terrorism is terrorism (I'm tired of answering you, you should read books about Turkish history)

[Dratonis]

Antifa means antifascist. Many antifascist groups exist and while some are violent, some are peaceful. Criminalizing antifa would basically mean being against fascism is illegal, and it's one of the dumbest things the fucking dipshit we call a president has suggested. What should be asked is "is Rose City Antifa a terror group?" Technically they are because they commit violence for political reasons but they're honestly no more dangerous than a street gang. These guys are pretty embarrassing for terrorists. Don't give them the satisfaction of being labeled terrorists, and don't give our president the power to basically crush out descent under the guise of security.

While I understand your concern for potential political freedom loss, you must understand that most of antifa groups do act like terrorists. And it is wiser to make decisions based on the trend not the outlier. Not to mention that at the moment the nation is already extremely unstable.

[Rojava Free State]

How isn’t the KKK a Terrorist group but Antifa is????? I don’t get it, like they should

Because every KKK chapter is violent. Not all antifa are violent. Refuse Fascism is antifascist and they're very peaceful. Should we ban them for...idk picketing against sweatshops and nazis and ICE and global trade?

[Necroghastia]

Obviously not, because it's not even an organization.

[Stellar Colonies]

You can't ban "Antifa" because it isn't an organization, it's a movement anyone can join freely.

All you can do is go after the ones who beat up random people on a case by case basis.

I am antifascist. I guess I'm going to superjail now.

If we're lucky, maybe we'll each get our own cell with a window.

[South Reinkalistan]

Obviously not, because it's not even an organization.

New drinking game: whenever anyone posts anything akin to "it's not an organisation" in this thread, take a shot.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Doesn't excuse anything else they do though. Some imbeciles within the movement put a liberal in the hospital once over an American flag.

Some antifas are bad. Some are not.

When I made a topic about it here over a year ago, no Antifa or pro-antifa poster condemned the attack. I was just accused of "posting fascist propaganda." The supposed "good" ones cover for the bad.

P.S. I also dispute the claim that all anti-fascists qualify as Antifa.

[Necroghastia]

Some antifas are bad. Some are not.

When I made a topic about it here over a year ago, no Antifa or pro-antifa poster condemned the attack. I was just accused of "posting fascist propaganda." The supposed "good" ones cover for the bad.

P.S. I also dispute the claim that all anti-fascists qualify as Antifa.

Antifa is literally just short for anti-fascist.

[Stellar Colonies]

Some antifas are bad. Some are not.

When I made a topic about it here over a year ago, no Antifa or pro-antifa poster condemned the attack. I was just accused of "posting fascist propaganda." The supposed "good" ones cover for the bad.

P.S. I also dispute the claim that all anti-fascists qualify as Antifa.

Sounds familiar if true.

[Cekoviu]

It's not an organization, so no?

[Schalibe]

they're not terrorist if they're an ANTI-RACISM ORGANIZATION