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Should the Ayasofya museum be opened for worship ?

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Postby MC United » Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:12 pm

It is a misfortune of history that Russia was unable to liberate Constantinople.

Erdogan is a neo-Ottoman wannabe sultan and an enemy of Western civilization and all Christians. And the fact that he keeps getting re-elected shows that Ataturk ultimately failed. Another misfortune of history.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:13 pm

MC United wrote:It is a misfortune of history that Russia was unable to liberate Constantinople.

Erdogan is a neo-Ottoman wannabe sultan and an enemy of Western civilization and all Christians. And the fact that he keeps getting re-elected shows that Ataturk ultimately failed. Another misfortune of history.


Erdogan is a genocidal dictator. Dude is like Turkish Hitler.
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Postby -Astoria » Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:40 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:Erdogan is a genocidal dictator. Dude is like Turkish Hitler.

Nah; more along the lines of a Turkish Putin; given the many re-elections.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:49 pm

-Astoria wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:Erdogan is a genocidal dictator. Dude is like Turkish Hitler.

Nah; more along the lines of a Turkish Putin; given the many re-elections.


Maybe he's Turkish Trump...if Trump didn't have an IQ of 0.4.
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Postby Chan Island » Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:02 pm

Appalling. In its current state the Hagia Sofia is an undisputed wonder of the world, a place like no other. When I visited Istanbul in 2018 I ended up going to that place twice because of what an awe-inspiring place it is. Turning it into a place of worship would destroy part of what makes it so special.

Not to mention that the Blue Mosque is right across the square from it and is also an active place of worship, the old city doesn't need another (and maybe the Blue Mosque could have been really cool to see more of if it wasn't subject to all those arbitrary rules its imams have put in place...).
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:32 pm

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Kargintina the Third wrote:1000% certain Erdogan wants the Ottoman Empire back


Honestly? If he tries then the West has more than enough reason to revisit the Sevres Treaty. I’d love to see that day...
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MC United wrote:It is a misfortune of history that Russia was unable to liberate Constantinople.

Erdogan is a neo-Ottoman wannabe sultan and an enemy of Western civilization and all Christians. And the fact that he keeps getting re-elected shows that Ataturk ultimately failed. Another misfortune of history.


Erdogan is a genocidal dictator. Dude is like Turkish Hitler.
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MC United wrote:It is a misfortune of history that Russia was unable to liberate Constantinople.

Erdogan is a neo-Ottoman wannabe sultan and an enemy of Western civilization and all Christians. And the fact that he keeps getting re-elected shows that Ataturk ultimately failed. Another misfortune of history.
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Postby Baltenstein » Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:27 pm

One of these days, Hakinda, you ought to understand that you don't add gravitas to your posts by adding random pictures.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:33 pm

*angry Byzantine noises*

Alright boys and girls, if we're going to ride this apocalypse high then we may as well launch a crusade to take back Constantinople.
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Postby Shofercia » Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:56 pm

Agarntrop wrote:Wow, NSG agreeing on something?


Considering that Erdogan pissed off nearly everyone at some point in his rule...


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Agarntrop wrote:Wow, NSG agreeing on something?

Woah, we can't have that! Quick, get an ultra-islamic radical in here to start praising Erdogan!


I think he pissed off the radicals too.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2e2yHjc_mc


Kargintina the Third wrote:1000% certain Erdogan wants the Ottoman Empire back


Yep.


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Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:He's high on his victory over russia in the proxy war.


What victory? Assad has taken back almost all of Syria.


Oh you and your facts. They have no place in Erdogan's highness
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Postby South Reinkalistan » Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:59 pm

Shofercia wrote:I think he pissed off the radicals too.

Fuck. Who else is there?
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:59 pm

Erdogan's only way to retain his position of power is through continuing the de-seclarization and islamization of the Turkish state. Unfortunately for him, moves like this to throw red meat to supporters don't negate the free-falling Turkish economy, the astronomically laughable devaluation of their currency, and increasing opposition from his former supporters in the cities.

If he isn't voted out in the next several years, I fully expect a coup. He's holding onto straws.

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Postby Britannia Maior » Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:05 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
Britannia Maior wrote:
Honestly? If he tries then the West has more than enough reason to revisit the Sevres Treaty. I’d love to see that day...
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I’m more about the carving up Turkey bit like it’s Thanksgiving than anything else in the treaty.
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Postby Shofercia » Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:06 pm

South Reinkalistan wrote:
Shofercia wrote:I think he pissed off the radicals too.

Fuck. Who else is there?


Not sure.


Major-Tom wrote:Erdogan's only way to retain his position of power is through continuing the de-seclarization and islamization of the Turkish state. Unfortunately for him, moves like this to throw red meat to supporters don't negate the free-falling Turkish economy, the astronomically laughable devaluation of their currency, and increasing opposition from his former supporters in the cities.

If he isn't voted out in the next several years, I fully expect a coup. He's holding onto straws.


Next election is 2023. Think he'll last that long? I have no idea, don't really follow Turkey.
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Postby Britannia Maior » Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:06 pm

Major-Tom wrote:Erdogan's only way to retain his position of power is through continuing the de-seclarization and islamization of the Turkish state. Unfortunately for him, moves like this to throw red meat to supporters don't negate the free-falling Turkish economy, the astronomically laughable devaluation of their currency, and increasing opposition from his former supporters in the cities.

If he isn't voted out in the next several years, I fully expect a coup. He's holding onto straws.


Aren’t the vast majority of Turks behind him? At least up until recently?
He’s a strongman politician, like Putin, so he has to keep up that appearance to stay in power, but it’s working against him.
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Postby Nakena » Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:08 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
MC United wrote:It is a misfortune of history that Russia was unable to liberate Constantinople.

Erdogan is a neo-Ottoman wannabe sultan and an enemy of Western civilization and all Christians. And the fact that he keeps getting re-elected shows that Ataturk ultimately failed. Another misfortune of history.


Erdogan is a genocidal dictator. Dude is like Turkish Hitler.


No that be Nihal Atsiz.

Seriously, look at his face.

:twisted:
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:10 pm

Nakena wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Erdogan is a genocidal dictator. Dude is like Turkish Hitler.


No that be Nihal Atsiz.

Seriously, look at his face.

:twisted:


Holy shit, he really does look like Hitler.
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Postby Britannia Maior » Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:11 pm

Nakena wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Erdogan is a genocidal dictator. Dude is like Turkish Hitler.


No that be Nihal Atsiz.

Seriously, look at his face.

:twisted:


That’s a face that would be very compatible with the butt of a rifle NGL.
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Postby Shofercia » Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:13 pm

Britannia Maior wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:Erdogan's only way to retain his position of power is through continuing the de-seclarization and islamization of the Turkish state. Unfortunately for him, moves like this to throw red meat to supporters don't negate the free-falling Turkish economy, the astronomically laughable devaluation of their currency, and increasing opposition from his former supporters in the cities.

If he isn't voted out in the next several years, I fully expect a coup. He's holding onto straws.


Aren’t the vast majority of Turks behind him? At least up until recently?
He’s a strongman politician, like Putin, so he has to keep up that appearance to stay in power, but it’s working against him.


Nope: https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/art ... ogan-isn-t

While his approval rating fell during the early stages of the crisis, the latest survey by the Ankara-based research agency Metropoll shows Erdogan’s approval rating increased nearly 15 percentage points in the course of a month, from 41.1 percent in February to 55.8 percent in March. The main opposition Republican People’s Party, or CHP, did see some success in last year’s local elections, winning the mayoralties of the three biggest cities: Istanbul, Ankara and Izmir. But Turkey’s opposition remains divided and faces an uphill battle against an incumbent who will no doubt run for reelection by 2023 and has proven willing to put the full resources of the state at his disposal in order to stay in power, including by cracking down on independent journalists and activists.


A fickle majority at best. A vast majority is something that Putin usually enjoys: https://www.statista.com/statistics/896 ... ng-russia/

Putin's at 69% in 2020, as is typical for Putin's approval rating. Their approval ratings aren't even close.
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Postby The Justinian Horde » Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:15 pm

Its a Church not a Mosque. Hes a dumbass

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Postby Greenwichian Arcadia » Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:16 pm

Foreigner here. Looks like a notable notion of de-secularization. When such a trick is pulled by the current government, it might be a bad sign.
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Postby South Reinkalistan » Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:16 pm

Britannia Maior wrote:
Nakena wrote:
No that be Nihal Atsiz.

Seriously, look at his face.

:twisted:


That’s a face that would be very compatible with the butt of a rifle NGL.

More compatible with the barrel, IMO.
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Postby Britannia Maior » Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:16 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Britannia Maior wrote:
Aren’t the vast majority of Turks behind him? At least up until recently?
He’s a strongman politician, like Putin, so he has to keep up that appearance to stay in power, but it’s working against him.


Nope: https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/art ... ogan-isn-t

While his approval rating fell during the early stages of the crisis, the latest survey by the Ankara-based research agency Metropoll shows Erdogan’s approval rating increased nearly 15 percentage points in the course of a month, from 41.1 percent in February to 55.8 percent in March. The main opposition Republican People’s Party, or CHP, did see some success in last year’s local elections, winning the mayoralties of the three biggest cities: Istanbul, Ankara and Izmir. But Turkey’s opposition remains divided and faces an uphill battle against an incumbent who will no doubt run for reelection by 2023 and has proven willing to put the full resources of the state at his disposal in order to stay in power, including by cracking down on independent journalists and activists.


A fickle majority at best. A vast majority is something that Putin usually enjoys: https://www.statista.com/statistics/896 ... ng-russia/

Putin's at 69% in 2020, as is typical for Putin's approval rating. Their approval ratings aren't even close.


It seems there’s some hope for the anti-Erdogan crowd. That’s good, I hope to see him gone by ‘23.

Putin’s probably going to last a much longer time, but I feel he might try and aid Erdogan, especially given the latter’s new alignment with Moscow.
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Postby Britannia Maior » Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:18 pm

South Reinkalistan wrote:
Britannia Maior wrote:
That’s a face that would be very compatible with the butt of a rifle NGL.

More compatible with the barrel, IMO.


Eh, butt-beating makes the little skull on my cap happy, which makes me happy, lmao.
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Postby South Reinkalistan » Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:19 pm

Britannia Maior wrote:
South Reinkalistan wrote:More compatible with the barrel, IMO.


Eh, butt-beating makes the little skull on my cap happy, which makes me happy, lmao.

But the barrel is less effort and more effective. I thought this was about RESULTS!
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Postby Polish Prussian Commonwealth » Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:20 pm

Alright that's it.

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