2020 US General Election Thread VII: Summer of Discontent

[Andsed]

Well it doesn't.

I just gave you an example and your going to say it doesn’t matter? Are you serious?

One vote gave ratified the 19th amendment in Tennessee in 1919.

I mean tbf it is not like the popular vote really determines who becomes president...

[Tyrassueb]

You do know Biden is a noted coalition builder and friend of Sanders, correct?

I'm sure he can build a coalition to win.

Then conviently make next to no reforms as president if said reforms hurt big business. Trump built a coalition of racists and unemployed workers and has he delivered on his promises to either of those groups?

Literally this.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Why? What are we fighting for? A crooked justice system, continual climate change, foreign wars and outsourcing but with a smile instead of an honest "screw america" like Trump is giving us?

We're fighting for the nation's raw survival. Biden will at least give us a little more time to consolidate and work on the serious electoral reform we need if we want to see the US survive beyond 20 years.

You mean like how Bush or Obama did?

[Dresderstan]

In the FPTP system one vote does not fucking matter, me and Therm have explained this to you, not my fault you refuse to listen.

Yes it does

Here is a whole list for you: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... on_results

In 2017 one vote decided which party would control the Virginia house of delegates

And the other half who did not vote for them end up hating them, and in other places with third parties like Canada or the U.K. even more didn't vote for them. FPTP is a shitty undemocratic system and needs replacing.

[Cisairse]

Kamala Harris Is Biden’s VP Pick — Here’s What It Means For The Election And Beyond.

WHY OH GOD WHY

biden be simping

[Shrillland]

We're fighting for the nation's raw survival. Biden will at least give us a little more time to consolidate and work on the serious electoral reform we need if we want to see the US survive beyond 20 years.

You mean like how Bush or Obama did?

Well, given how many states are working on reform this year, albeit not in any complete form, we could start to see some states looking at PR in '22 or '24. Of course, now it will be a much closer election and from the moment the polls close, time is on Trump's side.

[Zurkerx]

Well yes, that's the first part of the article to get it out of the way but the rest is good break down of pros and cons. Not fully but 538 certainly isn't supporting/opposing Harris: they're just stating the obvious here with regards to historic value though they did predict she would be the VP Nominee back in March so...

This part:

Let’s pause there for a moment. I could have made the preceding three points — the history of the selection, the power of Black voters and the loss for the Left — and even used nearly the exact same words in some of those sections if Biden had selected one of the other Black women who was reportedly being considered for vice president. That list includes former Georgia House Minority Leader Stacey Abrams, Rep. Karen Bass, Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms, Rep. Val Demings and former National Security Adviser Susan Rice.

Pretty much sums up why Kamala was such a stupid pick.

Pretty much, I won't dispute that.

Kamala Harris Is Biden’s VP Pick — Here’s What It Means For The Election And Beyond.

WHY OH GOD WHY

Apparently America hasn't had enough punishment yet.

[Galloism]

This part:

Let’s pause there for a moment. I could have made the preceding three points — the history of the selection, the power of Black voters and the loss for the Left — and even used nearly the exact same words in some of those sections if Biden had selected one of the other Black women who was reportedly being considered for vice president. That list includes former Georgia House Minority Leader Stacey Abrams, Rep. Karen Bass, Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms, Rep. Val Demings and former National Security Adviser Susan Rice.

Pretty much sums up why Kamala was such a stupid pick.

Pretty much, I won't dispute that.

WHY OH GOD WHY

Apparently America hasn't had enough punishment yet.

Clearly we haven’t. Oh jeez we had to pick the corrupt prosecutor who literally hides evidence from the defense?

[Saiwania]

Almost every progressive policy picked is literally lower tier goals. Biden still doesn't want to legalize marijuana (which he has railed against for years and only made worse with his crime bill), still doesn't want M4A, doesn't want a moratorium on the death penalty, doesn't want to forgive student loan debt (which he helped exacerbate terribly), and more!

I can understand decriminalizing marijuana but why legalize it? What are its merits, asides from not being as hard as cocaine, meth, or heroin (among other drugs) in terms of its ruinous side effects?

[Outer Sparta]

Yes it does

Here is a whole list for you: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... on_results

In 2017 one vote decided which party would control the Virginia house of delegates

And the other half who did not vote for them end up hating them, and in other places with third parties like Canada or the U.K. even more didn't vote for them. FPTP is a shitty undemocratic system and needs replacing.

Under proportional representation people vote how they please and know their vote will count for a third party that will get representation. Ranked-choice voting would be another option, but not as good as proportional.

[Thermodolia]

So we won’t be getting the results for GA 14 until after 9pm due to the polls being ordered to be kept open until then

[Andsed]

Pretty much, I won't dispute that.



Apparently America hasn't had enough punishment yet.

Clearly we haven’t. Oh jeez we had to pick the corrupt prosecutor who literally hides evidence from the defense?

This is 2020. Anything that can go wrong will go wrong.

[Zurkerx]

Pretty much, I won't dispute that.



Apparently America hasn't had enough punishment yet.

Clearly we haven’t. Oh jeez we had to pick the corrupt prosecutor who literally hides evidence from the defense?

This was literally me at my desk. And yep, pretty much. These next 4-8 years are going to suck.

[Shrillland]

So we won’t be getting the results for GA 14 until after 9pm due to the polls being ordered to be kept open until then

Again? Kemp really hates the process, doesn't he? Yes, we knew that already, but still.

[Thermodolia]

So we won’t be getting the results for GA 14 until after 9pm due to the polls being ordered to be kept open until then

Again? Kemp really hates the process, doesn't he? Yes, we knew that already, but still.

Just for that district. A few counties in the area had issues.

[The Emerald Legion]

Almost every progressive policy picked is literally lower tier goals. Biden still doesn't want to legalize marijuana (which he has railed against for years and only made worse with his crime bill), still doesn't want M4A, doesn't want a moratorium on the death penalty, doesn't want to forgive student loan debt (which he helped exacerbate terribly), and more!

I can understand decriminalizing marijuana by why legalize it? What are its merits, asides from not being as hard as cocaine, meth, or heroin (among other drugs) in terms of its ruinous side effects?

Because A.) Freedom isn't always harmless or pretty, and this is America, where millions of lives are sacrificed upon the altars of liberty each day that the founders dream might never entirely die.

B.) As distasteful as it may be, people are gonna do it anyway. Might as well get the tax revenue and economic sides out in the open.

[Thermodolia]

I can understand decriminalizing marijuana by why legalize it? What are its merits, asides from not being as hard as cocaine, meth, or heroin (among other drugs) in terms of its ruinous side effects?

Because A.) Freedom isn't always harmless or pretty, and this is America, where millions of lives are sacrificed upon the altars of liberty each day that the founders dream might never entirely die.

B.) As distasteful as it may be, people are gonna do it anyway. Might as well get the tax revenue and economic sides out in the open.

This is also why I support just decriminalizing all drugs and just issuing a fine for the worst ones

[Galloism]

Clearly we haven’t. Oh jeez we had to pick the corrupt prosecutor who literally hides evidence from the defense?

This was literally me at my desk. And yep, pretty much. These next 4-8 years are going to suck.

Were literally all of America’s homeless booked and couldn’t take the job?

[Thermodolia]

This was literally me at my desk. And yep, pretty much. These next 4-8 years are going to suck.

Were literally all of America’s homeless booked and couldn’t take the job?

I was available but it seems the Biden campaign didn’t return my calls

[Andsed]

Because A.) Freedom isn't always harmless or pretty, and this is America, where millions of lives are sacrificed upon the altars of liberty each day that the founders dream might never entirely die.

B.) As distasteful as it may be, people are gonna do it anyway. Might as well get the tax revenue and economic sides out in the open.

This is also why I support just decriminalizing all drugs and just issuing a fine for the worst ones

Maybe not the selling of the harder drugs but definitely the consumption of it. Charging and punishing an addict is not really helpful.

[Thermodolia]

This is also why I support just decriminalizing all drugs and just issuing a fine for the worst ones

Maybe not the selling of the harder drugs but definitely the consumption of it. Charging and punishing an addict is not really helpful.

The addicts would get sent to state funded rehab

[Borderlands of Rojava]

You mean like how Bush or Obama did?

Well, given how many states are working on reform this year, albeit not in any complete form, we could start to see some states looking at PR in '22 or '24. Of course, now it will be a much closer election and from the moment the polls close, time is on Trump's side.

Trump is not the cause of the problems as much as the result. Just remember that.

[Saiwania]

Freedom isn't always harmless or pretty, and this is America, where millions of lives are sacrificed upon the altars of liberty each day that the founders dream might never entirely die. As distasteful as it may be, people are gonna do it anyway. Might as well get the tax revenue and economic sides out in the open.

People partaking in an illegal drug anyways, isn't actually a good or sound reason to legalize it. We don't allow Meth for example, because the negatives outweigh any positives it has on society. Similarly, if Marijuana has been illegal for many decades without incident, I'm going to be more in favor of it staying illegal if anything. The law has never or shouldn't use "people do it anyways" as an excuse to not enforce something when an incident is caught.

Ironically enough, legal marijauna businesses at the state level operating successfully, might change my mind of it but its a huge if it changes my mind. If I can see that the negative impacts I expect don't materialize from it being permitted to occur. I'm currently on the fence about it. I lean towards being against marijuana broadly speaking, but don't care about it one way or the other; if it proves to not be a threat to communities.

I see far more negative outcomes for synthetic marijuana than I do for the natural equivalents so far.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Clearly we haven’t. Oh jeez we had to pick the corrupt prosecutor who literally hides evidence from the defense?

This was literally me at my desk. And yep, pretty much. These next 4-8 years are going to suck.

The next 1000 years will suck. I think our society is heading into a dark age.

[Shrillland]

A couple of calls to make:

GOP VT-Governor: Phil Scott
Dem VT-At-large: Peter Welch