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Of All The Parties With 50+ Electoral Votes of Ballot Access, Which Party Do You Prefer?

Republicans
73
23%
Democrats
111
35%
Libertarians
24
8%
Greens
59
19%
Constitution Party
12
4%
Alliance Party
4
1%
Socialism and Liberation
31
10%
 
Total votes : 314

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Postby La Xinga » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:02 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
La xinga wrote:Biden? Ranting? I don't see it.


Is this sarcasm?

N-N-No? I can't see Biden ranting, it's just not really his type in my eyes.

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Postby Zurkerx » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:04 pm

United States of Devonta wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
I agree: she plays Harris quite well. I'll be looking more forward to SNL now.

Also, Trump is already calling Harris the "Radical Left", calling a Harris "Phony Kamala" and attacking Biden's intelligence by calling him "Slow Joe". The phony isn't catchy but the Slow part is. Eh, we'll have to see how polling goes these next couple of weeks.


Harris hated by both the left and right.


A feat only held by a few, including Comey.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:04 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:What this really means is more Maya Rudolph. I'm cool with that.


I agree: she plays Harris quite well. I'll be looking more forward to SNL now.

Also, Trump is already calling Harris the "Radical Left", calling a Harris "Phony Kamala" and attacking Biden's intelligence by calling him "Slow Joe". The phony isn't catchy but the Slow part is. Eh, we'll have to see how polling goes these next couple of weeks.

It's why I chuckle to myself when someone dismissed a VP pick based on the mean things that Trump would say about them. Dude, it's an election. There wasn't going to be a VP pick where Trump was going to go, "Oh, them? I guess we should pack it in, folks."

I don't think it will really make much of a difference in the end. If you somehow think that the VP pick is powerful enough to mean that a Biden presidency is in anyway comparable to the 24/7 shitshow that we've been living under for the last four years...well...I'm not sure that's a big coalition. I'm not shaming them, vote your conscience. There just isn't enough undecideds to convince me that it's the tear my shirt and cry to an uncaring universe bad as some might think.
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Postby Cisairse » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:05 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
United States of Devonta wrote:
Harris hated by both the left and right.


A feat only held by a few, including Comey.

and Bloomberg
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:05 pm

The Rich Port wrote:I encourage everyone to do what I did and write an email to Biden's campaign.

https://joebiden.com/#

Enough emails and he may just reconsider Kamala Harris.

And in the end even if he doesn't, I agree with the sentiment that this isn't that bad. Kamala Harris might be dirty but so are most politicians... Trump is a literal pseudo-Nazi who lies ten times before breakfast and he SOMEHOW won.

Usually, in my experience, politics are often surprising. I honestly didn't think the Democratic Party was so stupid as to encourage Biden to choose Harris, but here we are.

Trump is not a Nazi, fascist, pseudo-Nazi, or other flavor of far-right. He is a right-populist and nothing more.
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Postby Myrensis » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:05 pm

United States of Devonta wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
I agree: she plays Harris quite well. I'll be looking more forward to SNL now.

Also, Trump is already calling Harris the "Radical Left", calling a Harris "Phony Kamala" and attacking Biden's intelligence by calling him "Slow Joe". The phony isn't catchy but the Slow part is. Eh, we'll have to see how polling goes these next couple of weeks.


Harris hated by both the left and right.


Meh. That's a bit meaningless at the moment. Anyone who isn't left of Bernie will be decried as Trump-without-the-spray-tan by Rose Twitter, while all Democrats are radical communist revolutionaries per Republican dogma.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:06 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:I encourage everyone to do what I did and write an email to Biden's campaign.

https://joebiden.com/#

Enough emails and he may just reconsider Kamala Harris.

And in the end even if he doesn't, I agree with the sentiment that this isn't that bad. Kamala Harris might be dirty but so are most politicians... Trump is a literal pseudo-Nazi who lies ten times before breakfast and he SOMEHOW won.

Usually, in my experience, politics are often surprising. I honestly didn't think the Democratic Party was so stupid as to encourage Biden to choose Harris, but here we are.

Trump is not a Nazi, fascist, pseudo-Nazi, or other flavor of far-right. He is a right-populist and nothing more.


No, he's an asshole and a narcissist and he doesn't care about most americans. He's a con artist.
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Postby Upper Nan » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:07 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:As someone who has had friends and family abused by police officers since day one and who almost had his head taken off alongside his sibling by a cop, I am not pleased to see the living representative of a crooked justice system as veep.

Well, the white liberals like her, so I guess you'll just have to get over it. :roll:

(Just to be clear, I'm being sardonic, not actually telling you to "get over it.")
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:08 pm

Upper Nan wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:As someone who has had friends and family abused by police officers since day one and who almost had his head taken off alongside his sibling by a cop, I am not pleased to see the living representative of a crooked justice system as veep.

Well, the white liberals like her, so I guess you'll just have to get over it. :roll:

(Just to be clear, I'm being sardonic, not actually telling you to "get over it.")


I know what you mean. People are already saying "but trump." But trump what? He's a dick? Yeah I know, but at least he's a disorganized one who can't do half of what he wants.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:08 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Trump is not a Nazi, fascist, pseudo-Nazi, or other flavor of far-right. He is a right-populist and nothing more.


No, he's an asshole and a narcissist and he doesn't care about most americans. He's a con artist.

I suppose, but he's still not a fascist. I reckon most politicians are narcissists one way or another.
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Postby Ameriganastan » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:09 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:I don't wanna be that guy, but a female VP is typically the desperation move for a candidate who knows they can't win. Didn't work for Mondale, didn't work for McCain, don't see it working for Joe.


Actually Biden has been out polling Trump in states Trump carried to beat H.

Hell even Mississippi has a noticeable drop in support for Trump. They tend to be 40 points for anything Republican.

There is nothing wrong with a female VP. There were many choices and I think he made the wrong choice on this one.

See, I just have no faith in it. Cripes, when a woman ran for actual president, she lost to a freaking reality TV star.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:10 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Upper Nan wrote:Well, the white liberals like her, so I guess you'll just have to get over it. :roll:

(Just to be clear, I'm being sardonic, not actually telling you to "get over it.")


I know what you mean. People are already saying "but trump." But trump what? He's a dick? Yeah I know, but at least he's a disorganized one who can't do half of what he wants.

True. That's what Mitch McConnell's job is, him and Kevin McCarthy and the rest of the GOP.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:11 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Actually Biden has been out polling Trump in states Trump carried to beat H.

Hell even Mississippi has a noticeable drop in support for Trump. They tend to be 40 points for anything Republican.

There is nothing wrong with a female VP. There were many choices and I think he made the wrong choice on this one.

See, I just have no faith in it. Cripes, when a woman ran for actual president, she lost to a freaking reality TV star.

Didn't Warren flat out get ignored by the media this primary when she was running? Yeesh.
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Postby The Rich Port » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:12 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Actually Biden has been out polling Trump in states Trump carried to beat H.

Hell even Mississippi has a noticeable drop in support for Trump. They tend to be 40 points for anything Republican.

There is nothing wrong with a female VP. There were many choices and I think he made the wrong choice on this one.

See, I just have no faith in it. Cripes, when a woman ran for actual president, she lost to a freaking reality TV star.


... Looking back at it I don't think Hillary had a chance.

If you put goddamn Uzaki-chan against Flavor Flav except he is also in the Nation of Islam, I think Flavor Flav wins every time.
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Postby Upper Nan » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:12 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
No, he's an asshole and a narcissist and he doesn't care about most americans. He's a con artist.

I suppose, but he's still not a fascist. I reckon most politicians are narcissists one way or another.

This is one of the only times we'll ever agree on something, Dav. Relish the moment, it may not come again.
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Postby Upper Nan » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:14 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Actually Biden has been out polling Trump in states Trump carried to beat H.

Hell even Mississippi has a noticeable drop in support for Trump. They tend to be 40 points for anything Republican.

There is nothing wrong with a female VP. There were many choices and I think he made the wrong choice on this one.

See, I just have no faith in it. Cripes, when a woman ran for actual president, she lost to a freaking reality TV star.

The problem with Hillary wasn't (entirely) that she was a women, it was that she was Hillary. I won't go so far as to say sexism didn't play a role, but Dems did themselves no favors by picking quite possibly the least liked woman in America.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:15 pm

Upper Nan wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:See, I just have no faith in it. Cripes, when a woman ran for actual president, she lost to a freaking reality TV star.

The problem with Hillary wasn't (entirely) that she was a women, it was that she was Hillary. I won't go so far as to say sexism didn't play a role, but Dems did themselves no favors by picking quite possibly the least liked woman in America.

Hillary had a lot of baggage against her. On a related note, I've seen this terrible take on the Daily Beast about Sarah Palin and sexism: https://www.thedailybeast.com/dems-say- ... arah-palin
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Postby Ameriganastan » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:16 pm

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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
I know what you mean. People are already saying "but trump." But trump what? He's a dick? Yeah I know, but at least he's a disorganized one who can't do half of what he wants.

True. That's what Mitch McConnell's job is, him and Kevin McCarthy and the rest of the GOP.

God, I hope McGrath wins...I don't like her, but I like him even less and I'm sick of seeing his turtle face on my local news.
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Postby Cisairse » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:18 pm

Okay Nate.

It's time.

We've waited long enough.

Give us the line.
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Postby Cisairse » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:19 pm

Upper Nan wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:See, I just have no faith in it. Cripes, when a woman ran for actual president, she lost to a freaking reality TV star.

The problem with Hillary wasn't (entirely) that she was a women, it was that she was Hillary. I won't go so far as to say sexism didn't play a role, but Dems did themselves no favors by picking quite possibly the least liked woman in America.

Stop this bullshit, Hillary Clinton was one of the most loved politicians in America before she ran for president. She left her Secretary of State position with a higher approval rating than President Obama.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:20 pm

Cisairse wrote:Okay Nate.

It's time.

We've waited long enough.

Give us the line.

They have that ABC version of 270 to win map where if all leans go the way they're leaning and all toss ups go to Trump, Biden still wins.
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Postby Cisairse » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:21 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Cisairse wrote:Okay Nate.

It's time.

We've waited long enough.

Give us the line.

They have that ABC version of 270 to win map where if all leans go the way they're leaning and all toss ups go to Trump, Biden still wins.

But that's not what I want, because the way they're leaning now isn't how it's going to be in November.
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Postby Tyrassueb » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:23 pm

Welp, hats off to Biden. He wins this year, but looking at how things are shaping up the Dems are bound to lose 2024 with "Always Looking for the Better Job" Harris as VP since I think it's obvious that Biden either passes away in office or he'll just not run in 2024. Harris is not liked by the left, is not liked by the right and will most likely see the left walk out on the Dems come 2024.
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Postby The Rich Port » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:25 pm

Upper Nan wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:I suppose, but he's still not a fascist. I reckon most politicians are narcissists one way or another.

This is one of the only times we'll ever agree on something, Dav. Relish the moment, it may not come again.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dBJIkp ... tQ&index=7

I urge you to reconsider, considering all of the absolute bullshit you have most definitely witnessed this administration participate in.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:25 pm

La xinga wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Is this sarcasm?

N-N-No? I can't see Biden ranting, it's just not really his type in my eyes.


https://youtu.be/fbEJpr4A9mQ
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