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Of All The Parties With 50+ Electoral Votes of Ballot Access, Which Party Do You Prefer?

Republicans
73
23%
Democrats
111
35%
Libertarians
24
8%
Greens
59
19%
Constitution Party
12
4%
Alliance Party
4
1%
Socialism and Liberation
31
10%
 
Total votes : 314

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:18 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
If we voted like how identity politickers vote, this country would be a wreck.

Oh wait a minute, it is thanks to millions of white identity politics voters. Funny how identity politics often leads to people voting for evil creeps just because "he looks like i do and says he'll protect us from those horrible people from another race."


I'm not fond of the idea of voting by the color of one's skin (as you mentioned in a post above yours). To me, the color of one skin shouldn't even be a factor and I get that yes, we need to empower more Black women but regardless, Biden needs to pick the best person he thinks will help him: he wants a team player, and the likes of Harris aren't it. But in politics, particularly here in America, we do have people that do like to pull at the racial and cultural tensions, Trump being a prime example of that.


A vote for harris imo is identity politics at their worst. People are gonna ignore her past and pretend that voting for her will help minorities, almost like they don't realize that minorities aren't just asking to be abused by people who look like them.

I honestly think Biden doesn't understand black folks. He's an old white man, and while there is nothing inherently wrong about being an old white man, he comes from a different time. We all know history. How back in the day most Americans basically thought black people were dipshits and either took the position of "they're savage animals that need to be kept down" or "they need us to help them cause they're not smart enough to help themselves." Am I saying Biden may be racist? Yeah, I am, because he grew up in a time period when those beliefs were widely held and alot of older folks in America have those kinds of views. His age alone would not be a reason to accuse him of bigotry, but we all remember his comments about the difference between black and latino votes.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:34 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
I'm not fond of the idea of voting by the color of one's skin (as you mentioned in a post above yours). To me, the color of one skin shouldn't even be a factor and I get that yes, we need to empower more Black women but regardless, Biden needs to pick the best person he thinks will help him: he wants a team player, and the likes of Harris aren't it. But in politics, particularly here in America, we do have people that do like to pull at the racial and cultural tensions, Trump being a prime example of that.


A vote for harris imo is identity politics at their worst. People are gonna ignore her past and pretend that voting for her will help minorities, almost like they don't realize that minorities aren't just asking to be abused by people who look like them.

I honestly think Biden doesn't understand black folks. He's an old white man, and while there is nothing inherently wrong about being an old white man, he comes from a different time. We all know history. How back in the day most Americans basically thought black people were dipshits and either took the position of "they're savage animals that need to be kept down" or "they need us to help them cause they're not smart enough to help themselves." Am I saying Biden may be racist? Yeah, I am, because he grew up in a time period when those beliefs were widely held and alot of older folks in America have those kinds of views. His age alone would not be a reason to accuse him of bigotry, but we all remember his comments about the difference between black and latino votes.


In defense of old people generally: if you still hold the same views at 70 as you hold now, you will be one sad geezer. Nobody will like you and you won't even like yourself.

People don't stop growing up in their early 20's y'know. Thinking they do is just a delusion to avoid facing the horrible fact that growing up is a road to getting older and older and dying ...
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Postby Cisairse » Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:50 pm

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Cisairse wrote:I'd have to consider Duckworth. Biden gets me vote with Warren or Bass. Probably not with anyone else.

I never really thought of you as someone who wasn't gonna vote Biden depending on his VP. Interesting.

I decided ages ago that I'd only vote for Biden if his running mate was someone I'd be comfortable voting for president in 2024.

Keep in mind I only registered Democrat in January so I could vote in the primary. I have no loyalty to the party. I'd much prefer Howie Hawkins to win.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:52 pm

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Cannot think of a name wrote:Not sure what difference that's supposed to make, but now we're in the trap where bitching about someone who drags the thread is in itself a drag, so if you cats want to dry hump Telconi and think that will not just be doing donuts, knock yourselves out.


Fair enough...let's see what we've got news wise....

Well, Trump narrowed his convention speech locale to either the South Lawn or Gettysburg: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-convention-speech-white-house-gettysburg

I want to know what he thought Gettysburg meant before someone had to explain it to him.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:53 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Corrian wrote:I never really thought of you as someone who wasn't gonna vote Biden depending on his VP. Interesting.

I decided ages ago that I'd only vote for Biden if his running mate was someone I'd be comfortable voting for president in 2024.

Keep in mind I only registered Democrat in January so I could vote in the primary. I have no loyalty to the party. I'd much prefer Howie Hawkins to win.

Fair, considering your views are more progressive than me since I never even consider voting for a third party like the Greens.
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:54 pm

Breaking: Biden’s V.P. Pick Is Said to Be Imminent. Joe Biden’s advisers are planning an announcement for the middle of the week as his search concludes, people briefed on the selection process said. The summary:

Biden has interviewed all of the finalist and his VP Committee has been dissolved. He will either announce his decision tomorrow or Wednesday though it remains unclear if that timeline will hold (I was thinking thins coming Friday). The strongest contenders are reportedly Harris, Rice, Warren, and Whitmer with the possibility of Bass, Demings, Duckworth, or Grisham having a shot. Either way, it's uncertain who he'll pick: not even his closet allies know. Interestingly enough, Devonta did share this post a bit ago:

United States of Devonta wrote:Sen. Kamala Harris has unfollowed Biden on Twitter.

People believe she might be angry she wasn't picked, but it might be because she is making a new account for a VP run.

I'm hoping it's the first option.


It's possible then that Harris may not be the pick in this regard, especially if an announcement is imminent. Dear god, I can tolerate to like most of the options above, but Harris will be a tough one to swallow. Regardless, we'll be hearing very- very soon.

An article on the same topic: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joe-biden- ... -imminent/
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:55 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
A vote for harris imo is identity politics at their worst. People are gonna ignore her past and pretend that voting for her will help minorities, almost like they don't realize that minorities aren't just asking to be abused by people who look like them.

I honestly think Biden doesn't understand black folks. He's an old white man, and while there is nothing inherently wrong about being an old white man, he comes from a different time. We all know history. How back in the day most Americans basically thought black people were dipshits and either took the position of "they're savage animals that need to be kept down" or "they need us to help them cause they're not smart enough to help themselves." Am I saying Biden may be racist? Yeah, I am, because he grew up in a time period when those beliefs were widely held and alot of older folks in America have those kinds of views. His age alone would not be a reason to accuse him of bigotry, but we all remember his comments about the difference between black and latino votes.


In defense of old people generally: if you still hold the same views at 70 as you hold now, you will be one sad geezer. Nobody will like you and you won't even like yourself.

People don't stop growing up in their early 20's y'know. Thinking they do is just a delusion to avoid facing the horrible fact that growing up is a road to getting older and older and dying ...


This is America. Most people here don't grow up past 12, so why would you expect them to mature past 70?
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Postby Cisairse » Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:56 pm

Why would Harris unfollow Biden if she wasn't the VP pick? She wouldn't want to burn bridges, because doing so throws away the nearly guaranteed cabinet slot waiting for her. It'd be petty and pointless, and while I wouldn't put it past Kamala to do something petty and pointless, surely at least she can recognize how high stakes presidential politics are.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:59 pm

Cisairse wrote:Why would Harris unfollow Biden if she wasn't the VP pick? She wouldn't want to burn bridges, because doing so throws away the nearly guaranteed cabinet slot waiting for her. It'd be petty and pointless, and while I wouldn't put it past Kamala to do something petty and pointless, surely at least she can recognize how high stakes presidential politics are.

well it wouldn't be a 2020 Presidential election if some bridges weren't burnt.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:01 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Fair enough...let's see what we've got news wise....

Well, Trump narrowed his convention speech locale to either the South Lawn or Gettysburg: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-convention-speech-white-house-gettysburg

I want to know what he thought Gettysburg meant before someone had to explain it to him.


Gettysburg, established in 1984 by Rush lead singer Geddy Lee to serve as a sanctuary where all Rush fans could live in peace and listen to their favorite Rush songs. Then Abe Lincoln had the north bomb it and declared victory over the Rush loving Gary Johnson supporting dad's who resided there in his famous Geddysburg address.


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Postby United States of Devonta » Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:10 pm

Zurkerx wrote:Breaking: Biden’s V.P. Pick Is Said to Be Imminent. Joe Biden’s advisers are planning an announcement for the middle of the week as his search concludes, people briefed on the selection process said. The summary:

Biden has interviewed all of the finalist and his VP Committee has been dissolved. He will either announce his decision tomorrow or Wednesday though it remains unclear if that timeline will hold (I was thinking thins coming Friday). The strongest contenders are reportedly Harris, Rice, Warren, and Whitmer with the possibility of Bass, Demings, Duckworth, or Grisham having a shot. Either way, it's uncertain who he'll pick: not even his closet allies know. Interestingly enough, Devonta did share this post a bit ago:

United States of Devonta wrote:Sen. Kamala Harris has unfollowed Biden on Twitter.

People believe she might be angry she wasn't picked, but it might be because she is making a new account for a VP run.

I'm hoping it's the first option.




It's possible then that Harris may not be the pick in this regard, especially if an announcement is imminent. Dear god, I can tolerate to like most of the options above, but Harris will be a tough one to swallow. Regardless, we'll be hearing very- very soon.

An article on the same topic: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joe-biden- ... -imminent/


Iv'e heard allot of noise about his announcement being tomorrow. It really might be Harris and I'm disappointed.

Harris just tweeted this. KHive is also going wild in the replies.

Also, A private flight from South Bend to Wilmington, Delaware, landed an hour and five minutes ago, per FlightAware. Allot of speculation going around that it is Mayor Pete? Maybe a cabinet spot?
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:18 pm

United States of Devonta wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:Breaking: Biden’s V.P. Pick Is Said to Be Imminent. Joe Biden’s advisers are planning an announcement for the middle of the week as his search concludes, people briefed on the selection process said. The summary:

Biden has interviewed all of the finalist and his VP Committee has been dissolved. He will either announce his decision tomorrow or Wednesday though it remains unclear if that timeline will hold (I was thinking thins coming Friday). The strongest contenders are reportedly Harris, Rice, Warren, and Whitmer with the possibility of Bass, Demings, Duckworth, or Grisham having a shot. Either way, it's uncertain who he'll pick: not even his closet allies know. Interestingly enough, Devonta did share this post a bit ago:





It's possible then that Harris may not be the pick in this regard, especially if an announcement is imminent. Dear god, I can tolerate to like most of the options above, but Harris will be a tough one to swallow. Regardless, we'll be hearing very- very soon.

An article on the same topic: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joe-biden- ... -imminent/


Iv'e heard allot of noise about his announcement being tomorrow. It really might be Harris and I'm disappointed.

Harris just tweeted this. KHive is also going wild in the replies.

Also, A private flight from South Bend to Wilmington, Delaware, landed an hour and five minutes ago, per FlightAware. Allot of speculation going around that it is Mayor Pete? Maybe a cabinet spot?


Or her attempt to show loyalty. I honestly don't know: it's such a kept secret. That said, scrolling through Twitter, it's apparently not Buttigieg; I'm seeing speculation of it being Duckworth taking a secret route to Delaware though I'm sure she's in DC currently. Either way, I'll wait for more information to come out, particularly from our fellow NSers who have texted to hear Biden's pick first.
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Postby United States of Devonta » Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:27 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
United States of Devonta wrote:
Iv'e heard allot of noise about his announcement being tomorrow. It really might be Harris and I'm disappointed.

Harris just tweeted this. KHive is also going wild in the replies.

Also, A private flight from South Bend to Wilmington, Delaware, landed an hour and five minutes ago, per FlightAware. Allot of speculation going around that it is Mayor Pete? Maybe a cabinet spot?


Or her attempt to show loyalty. I honestly don't know: it's such a kept secret. That said, scrolling through Twitter, it's apparently not Buttigieg; I'm seeing speculation of it being Duckworth taking a secret route to Delaware though I'm sure she's in DC currently. Either way, I'll wait for more information to come out, particularly from our fellow NSers who have texted to hear Biden's pick first.


Please be Duckworth.
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:37 pm

What even is this poll?

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Postby Dresderstan » Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:41 pm

Genivaria wrote:What even is this poll?

Ask Shrillland.

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:46 pm

United States of Devonta wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:Breaking: Biden’s V.P. Pick Is Said to Be Imminent. Joe Biden’s advisers are planning an announcement for the middle of the week as his search concludes, people briefed on the selection process said. The summary:

Biden has interviewed all of the finalist and his VP Committee has been dissolved. He will either announce his decision tomorrow or Wednesday though it remains unclear if that timeline will hold (I was thinking thins coming Friday). The strongest contenders are reportedly Harris, Rice, Warren, and Whitmer with the possibility of Bass, Demings, Duckworth, or Grisham having a shot. Either way, it's uncertain who he'll pick: not even his closet allies know. Interestingly enough, Devonta did share this post a bit ago:





It's possible then that Harris may not be the pick in this regard, especially if an announcement is imminent. Dear god, I can tolerate to like most of the options above, but Harris will be a tough one to swallow. Regardless, we'll be hearing very- very soon.

An article on the same topic: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joe-biden- ... -imminent/


Iv'e heard allot of noise about his announcement being tomorrow. It really might be Harris and I'm disappointed.

Harris just tweeted this. KHive is also going wild in the replies.


Or the opposite. Desperate last-minute toadying ...
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Postby United States of Devonta » Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:00 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
United States of Devonta wrote:
Iv'e heard allot of noise about his announcement being tomorrow. It really might be Harris and I'm disappointed.

Harris just tweeted this. KHive is also going wild in the replies.


Or the opposite. Desperate last-minute toadying ...


That is true. Although she also unfollowed Biden on her main account.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:12 pm

United States of Devonta wrote:
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Or the opposite. Desperate last-minute toadying ...


That is true. Although she also unfollowed Biden on her main account.


I don't understand the significance of that. Shutting down the account?
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:21 pm

Genivaria wrote:What even is this poll?


I wanted to see what people would prefer if they didn't have to worry about things such as real life chances getting in the way.
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:25 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
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It's not merely bait, my good CTOAN. I live in an area where Tel's line of thought is commonplace among people.


Georgia?


No, Downstate Illinois.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:32 pm

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/20 ... ns-family/

Former Utah Governor Jon Huntsman jr is reconsidering whether to wage a write in bid for a third term. He has until the end of the month to decide

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Postby Shrillland » Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:37 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2020/08/07/jon-huntsmans-family/

Former Utah Governor Jon Huntsman jr is reconsidering whether to wage a write in bid for a third term. He has until the end of the month to decide


He's popular enough that he could actually pull it off, so we'll have to see how it goes.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:38 pm

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2020/08/07/jon-huntsmans-family/

Former Utah Governor Jon Huntsman jr is reconsidering whether to wage a write in bid for a third term. He has until the end of the month to decide


He's popular enough that he could actually pull it off, so we'll have to see how it goes.

Is it possible he could split the vote and allow the democrat to win with a plurality?

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Postby United States of Devonta » Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:38 pm

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That is true. Although she also unfollowed Biden on her main account.


I don't understand the significance of that. Shutting down the account?


It happens when politicians are transferring accounts. She could be starting a VP account.
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:38 pm

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2020/08/07/jon-huntsmans-family/

Former Utah Governor Jon Huntsman jr is reconsidering whether to wage a write in bid for a third term. He has until the end of the month to decide


He's popular enough that he could actually pull it off, so we'll have to see how it goes.


I'm pretty sure Cox is also popular too though. Even then, a Republican would win, I just think it will be Cox.
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