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Of All The Parties With 50+ Electoral Votes of Ballot Access, Which Party Do You Prefer?

Republicans
73
23%
Democrats
111
35%
Libertarians
24
8%
Greens
59
19%
Constitution Party
12
4%
Alliance Party
4
1%
Socialism and Liberation
31
10%
 
Total votes : 314

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Postby Cisairse » Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:43 am

YouGov poll today says MI is closer than WI

Wisconson: Biden +6
Michigan: Biden +4
Pennsylvania: Biden +9
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Postby Kannap » Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:43 am

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That's also if the FBI doesn't take every single urban dweller hostage a week before election day.

I think we can probably fit centaurs in here somewhere too.

They are already holding up ballots by slowing down mail service


Are they?

[Citation needed]
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:46 am

Kannap wrote:
San Lumen wrote:They are already holding up ballots by slowing down mail service


Are they?

[Citation needed]

Here you go: https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/31/politics ... index.html

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Postby United States of Devonta » Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:47 am

Cisairse wrote:YouGov poll today says MI is closer than WI

Wisconson: Biden +6
Michigan: Biden +4
Pennsylvania: Biden +9


Michigan to the right of Wisconsin and Pennsylvania?

Maybe Biden's home town being in Pennsylvania is running up the margins there?
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Postby Kannap » Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:53 am

San Lumen wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Are they?

[Citation needed]

Here you go: https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/31/politics ... index.html


This says nothing about the postal service withholding ballots. Though it does specify the USPS is facing financial troubles - they have for a while now - and that may effect things by slowing mail in general.

My question is what is Congress doing to fund the USPS? That's their job, to provide funding in the budget.
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Postby Cisairse » Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:55 am

United States of Devonta wrote:
Cisairse wrote:YouGov poll today says MI is closer than WI

Wisconson: Biden +6
Michigan: Biden +4
Pennsylvania: Biden +9


Michigan to the right of Wisconsin and Pennsylvania?

Maybe Biden's home town being in Pennsylvania is running up the margins there?

Probably! I know the Scranton area zip code is one of the strongest donor zip codes for Biden, even though it's not a traditionally Democratic area.
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Postby United States of Devonta » Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:35 am

Cisairse wrote:
United States of Devonta wrote:
Michigan to the right of Wisconsin and Pennsylvania?

Maybe Biden's home town being in Pennsylvania is running up the margins there?

Probably! I know the Scranton area zip code is one of the strongest donor zip codes for Biden, even though it's not a traditionally Democratic area.


That's awesome.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:38 am

United States of Devonta wrote:
Cisairse wrote:YouGov poll today says MI is closer than WI

Wisconson: Biden +6
Michigan: Biden +4
Pennsylvania: Biden +9


Michigan to the right of Wisconsin and Pennsylvania?

Maybe Biden's home town being in Pennsylvania is running up the margins there?


Outside of Detroit, Flint, Saginaw, Lansing and Ann Arbor, Michigan is actually a kinda right wing place. Shit, macomb county has got some really far right people like antisemites (seems to be quite a number of people I went to school with who believe in antisemitic conspiracy theories regarding the "synagogue of satan" and mass migration).
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Postby United States of Devonta » Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:41 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
United States of Devonta wrote:
Michigan to the right of Wisconsin and Pennsylvania?

Maybe Biden's home town being in Pennsylvania is running up the margins there?


Outside of Detroit, Flint, Saginaw, Lansing and Ann Arbor, Michigan is actually a kinda right wing place. Shit, macomb county has got some really far right people like antisemites (seems to be quite a number of people I went to school with who believe in antisemitic conspiracy theories regarding the "synagogue of satan" and mass migration).


I know that. But Pennsylvania and Wisconsin are also like that. Hell, most states have blue urban areas and red rural areas.
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Postby United States of Devonta » Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:43 am

The Post Office won't prioritize election mail unless states pay more.

This is just corrupt asf. Delays are rampant in the USPS now too do to cuts and new rules set in place by the Pro-Trump USPS Director.

It took three weekdays for my grandma and I, to get mail and for them to take my ballot. They usually come everyday. Something is up.
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Postby Kannap » Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:47 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
United States of Devonta wrote:
Michigan to the right of Wisconsin and Pennsylvania?

Maybe Biden's home town being in Pennsylvania is running up the margins there?


Outside of Detroit, Flint, Saginaw, Lansing and Ann Arbor, Michigan is actually a kinda right wing place. Shit, macomb county has got some really far right people like antisemites (seems to be quite a number of people I went to school with who believe in antisemitic conspiracy theories regarding the "synagogue of satan" and mass migration).


rural as fuck middle of nowhere, Macomb County, what'd you expect?
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:48 am

United States of Devonta wrote:The Post Office won't prioritize election mail unless states pay more.

This is just corrupt asf. Delays are rampant in the USPS now too do to cuts and new rules set in place by the Pro-Trump USPS Director.

It took three weekdays for my grandma and I, to get mail and for them to take my ballot. They usually come everyday. Something is up.

And republicans won’t care because they know if they cheat they will win

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Postby Telconi » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:17 pm

United States of Devonta wrote:The Post Office won't prioritize election mail unless states pay more.

This is just corrupt asf. Delays are rampant in the USPS now too do to cuts and new rules set in place by the Pro-Trump USPS Director.

It took three weekdays for my grandma and I, to get mail and for them to take my ballot. They usually come everyday. Something is up.


In other words, the USPS will deliver the mail like they always have, if you want your mail prioritized, you can buy priority mail
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:17 pm

United States of Devonta wrote:The Post Office won't prioritize election mail unless states pay more.

This is just corrupt asf. Delays are rampant in the USPS now too do to cuts and new rules set in place by the Pro-Trump USPS Director.

It took three weekdays for my grandma and I, to get mail and for them to take my ballot. They usually come everyday. Something is up.


Well we shouldn't be surprised: the USPS has been strapped of cash. Not only that, we do have an administration suspected of rigging system in their favor- by making it as difficult as possible to vote. If Republicans lose in spite of this, I can guarantee you that Democrats will seek political vengeance; we may very well see some people going to prison.

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United States of Devonta wrote:The Post Office won't prioritize election mail unless states pay more.

This is just corrupt asf. Delays are rampant in the USPS now too do to cuts and new rules set in place by the Pro-Trump USPS Director.

It took three weekdays for my grandma and I, to get mail and for them to take my ballot. They usually come everyday. Something is up.

And republicans won’t care because they know if they cheat they will win


Not necessarily: they can try to cheat, which may/may not be successful. I'm convinced they won't be as successful as they think they will be. Simply put it, if they cheat and fail and get caught, the GOP will royally suffer.
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Postby Cisairse » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:19 pm

Zurkerx wrote:Not necessarily: they can try to cheat, which may/may not be successful. I'm convinced they won't be as successful as they think they will be. Simply put it, if they cheat and fail and get caught, the GOP will royally suffer.


Considering the history of them getting caught and not suffering whatsoever I am not convinced this is true.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:20 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
United States of Devonta wrote:The Post Office won't prioritize election mail unless states pay more.

This is just corrupt asf. Delays are rampant in the USPS now too do to cuts and new rules set in place by the Pro-Trump USPS Director.

It took three weekdays for my grandma and I, to get mail and for them to take my ballot. They usually come everyday. Something is up.


Well we shouldn't be surprised: the USPS has been strapped of cash. Not only that, we do have an administration suspected of rigging system in their favor- by making it as difficult as possible to vote. If Republicans lose in spite of this, I can guarantee you that Democrats will seek political vengeance; we may very well see some people going to prison.

San Lumen wrote:And republicans won’t care because they know if they cheat they will win


Not necessarily: they can try to cheat, which may/may not be successful. I'm convinced they won't be as successful as they think they will be. Simply put it, if they cheat and fail and get caught, the GOP will royally suffer.


What real reason is there to avoid cheating, or at least attempting to cheat?
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Postby Kowani » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:20 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:Not necessarily: they can try to cheat, which may/may not be successful. I'm convinced they won't be as successful as they think they will be. Simply put it, if they cheat and fail and get caught, the GOP will royally suffer.


Considering the history of them getting caught and not suffering whatsoever I am not convinced this is true.

Depends on who holds the government in 2021, I suspect.
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Postby United States of Devonta » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:23 pm

Telconi wrote:
United States of Devonta wrote:The Post Office won't prioritize election mail unless states pay more.

This is just corrupt asf. Delays are rampant in the USPS now too do to cuts and new rules set in place by the Pro-Trump USPS Director.

It took three weekdays for my grandma and I, to get mail and for them to take my ballot. They usually come everyday. Something is up.


In other words, the USPS will deliver the mail like they always have, if you want your mail prioritized, you can buy priority mail


Mail is delivered everyday. Not every three days.

The USPS is a public utility more then a business and should act in a capacity that allows for a quick election count.
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:24 pm

Telconi wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
Well we shouldn't be surprised: the USPS has been strapped of cash. Not only that, we do have an administration suspected of rigging system in their favor- by making it as difficult as possible to vote. If Republicans lose in spite of this, I can guarantee you that Democrats will seek political vengeance; we may very well see some people going to prison.



Not necessarily: they can try to cheat, which may/may not be successful. I'm convinced they won't be as successful as they think they will be. Simply put it, if they cheat and fail and get caught, the GOP will royally suffer.


What real reason is there to avoid cheating, or at least attempting to cheat?


Honesty. Integrity. Truthfulness.

You know, the things Republicans make such a big deal about claiming to have compared to Democrats.
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Necroghastia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
What real reason is there to avoid cheating, or at least attempting to cheat?


Honesty. Integrity. Truthfulness.

You know, the things Republicans make such a big deal about claiming to have compared to Democrats.


The don't.

Telconi himself has bragged about wanting to suppress Democratic votes because he disagrees with them.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:37 pm

United States of Devonta wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:
Honesty. Integrity. Truthfulness.

You know, the things Republicans make such a big deal about claiming to have compared to Democrats.


The don't.

Telconi himself has bragged about wanting to suppress Democratic votes because he disagrees with them.


I'm not sure why you'd consider that bragging.
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Telconi wrote:
United States of Devonta wrote:
The don't.

Telconi himself has bragged about wanting to suppress Democratic votes because he disagrees with them.


I'm not sure why you'd consider that bragging.


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Postby San Lumen » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:41 pm

Telconi wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
Well we shouldn't be surprised: the USPS has been strapped of cash. Not only that, we do have an administration suspected of rigging system in their favor- by making it as difficult as possible to vote. If Republicans lose in spite of this, I can guarantee you that Democrats will seek political vengeance; we may very well see some people going to prison.



Not necessarily: they can try to cheat, which may/may not be successful. I'm convinced they won't be as successful as they think they will be. Simply put it, if they cheat and fail and get caught, the GOP will royally suffer.


What real reason is there to avoid cheating, or at least attempting to cheat?

You don’t believe in free and fair elections or anyone who disagrees with you being allowed to hold office or get anything done

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Postby Telconi » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:41 pm

United States of Devonta wrote:
Telconi wrote:
In other words, the USPS will deliver the mail like they always have, if you want your mail prioritized, you can buy priority mail


Mail is delivered everyday. Not every three days.

The USPS is a public utility more then a business and should act in a capacity that allows for a quick election count.


Except for Sundays, holidays, etc.

Their job is to deliver mail, not run an election. There's no reason they ought to be prioritizing standard rate mail over any other standard rate mail.
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United States of Devonta wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I'm not sure why you'd consider that bragging.


^^^

Case n' point. No denial. At least you don't run away from your authoritarian nature.


Preventing human rights abuses are authoritarian!

Ironic...
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