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Of All The Parties With 50+ Electoral Votes of Ballot Access, Which Party Do You Prefer?

Republicans
73
23%
Democrats
111
35%
Libertarians
24
8%
Greens
59
19%
Constitution Party
12
4%
Alliance Party
4
1%
Socialism and Liberation
31
10%
 
Total votes : 314

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Postby Necroghastia » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:37 am

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The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Then you are using the word "amnesty" wrong, "amnesty" means: an official pardon for people who have been convicted of political offenses, or grant an official pardon to. That would be Biden issuing a unilateral presidential pardon to all undocumented immigrants, providing a roadmap to citizenship is not a presidential pardon.

If so I am using the wrong word, thank you for correcting me on it. The rest of my post stands.

No it doesn't because your entire post is predicated on a definition that you just admitted was wrong.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:41 am

Necroghastia wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:A road map to citizenship is amnesty for illegals, no matter how you all try to spin it, It makes illegals legal, so it is amnesty for illegals, or whatever you wish to call it, it amounts to the same thing.

Aren't you an immigrant yourself? Are you saying you're an illegal immigrant?

Because without following some sort of roadmap to citizenship I can't see how you would become one, and since those are apparently "amnesty for illegals"....

I have posted about this a few times in great details on related threads. I emigrated from Cuba legally. I waited in the shit hole nation of Cuba for x numbers of years, I took and passed the physical medical examination, I met the legal requirements all nations have and emigrated legally the right way.

Biden does support a path of citizenship for 11 million illegals, making illegals, legal, no matter what it is called. I am right on the substance of my post.
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Postby Necroghastia » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:43 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Aren't you an immigrant yourself? Are you saying you're an illegal immigrant?

Because without following some sort of roadmap to citizenship I can't see how you would become one, and since those are apparently "amnesty for illegals"....

I have posted about this a few times in great details on related threads. I emigrated from Cuba legally. I waited in the shit hole nation of Cuba for x numbers of years, I took and passed the physical medical examination, I met the legal requirements all nations have and emigrated legally the right way.

So in other words, you followed a roadmap to citizenship.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:43 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:Biden does support a path of citizenship for 11 million illegals, making illegals, legal, no matter what it is called. I am right on the substance of my post.

What's wrong providing a roadmap to citizenship for undocumented immigrants?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:44 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Aren't you an immigrant yourself? Are you saying you're an illegal immigrant?

Because without following some sort of roadmap to citizenship I can't see how you would become one, and since those are apparently "amnesty for illegals"....

I have posted about this a few times in great details on related threads. I emigrated from Cuba legally. I waited in the shit hole nation of Cuba for x numbers of years, I took and passed the physical medical examination, I met the legal requirements all nations have and emigrated legally the right way.

Biden does support a path of citizenship for 11 million illegals, making illegals, legal, no matter what it is called. I am right on the substance of my post.


So? You are comparing your experience to a Mexican, Guatemalan or El Salvadorian?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:45 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Biden does support a path of citizenship for 11 million illegals, making illegals, legal, no matter what it is called. I am right on the substance of my post.

What's wrong providing a roadmap to citizenship for undocumented immigrants?


Just think of the Republican talking points.....
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Postby No State Here » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:45 am

Hey it’s August! Time to start stocking up on popcorn to watch the debates.

This year it’s possibly the most entertaining one yet, one one hand we have an old white possible rapist with dementia and on the other hand… an old white possible rapist with dementia!
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Postby -Astoria- » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:46 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Atheris wrote:...No.

lol, I am wrong again like always, according to those who strongly disagree with me, :) But I am not surprised, :)
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Postby Dresderstan » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:46 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:It literally says provide a roadmap for citizenship, not amnesty.

A road map to citizenship is amnesty for illegals, no matter how you all try to spin it, It makes illegals legal, so it is amnesty for illegals, or whatever you wish to call it, it amounts to the same thing.

no it isn't, a path to citizenship is not amnesty for illegals.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:46 am

Necroghastia wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:I have posted about this a few times in great details on related threads. I emigrated from Cuba legally. I waited in the shit hole nation of Cuba for x numbers of years, I took and passed the physical medical examination, I met the legal requirements all nations have and emigrated legally the right way.

So in other words, you followed a roadmap to citizenship.

No they were legal immigration requirements I met, which all nations have, A path to citizenship makes illegals, legal. I was not an illegal than I became legal as a path to citizenship is. Nice bad try.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:46 am

No State Here wrote:Hey it’s August! Time to start stocking up on popcorn to watch the debates.

This year it’s possibly the most entertaining one yet, one one hand we have an old white possible rapist with dementia and on the other hand… an old white possible rapist with dementia!


And your desired person was?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:46 am

Dresderstan wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:A road map to citizenship is amnesty for illegals, no matter how you all try to spin it, It makes illegals legal, so it is amnesty for illegals, or whatever you wish to call it, it amounts to the same thing.

no it isn't, a path to citizenship is not amnesty for illegals.


And how is that bad?
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:47 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:So in other words, you followed a roadmap to citizenship.

No they were legal immigration requirements I met, which all nations have, A path to citizenship makes illegals, legal. I was not an illegal than I became legal as a path to citizenship is. Nice bad try.

a path to citizenship is the only way to legally become an American, whether you came here illegally or legally...
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Postby No State Here » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:47 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
No State Here wrote:Hey it’s August! Time to start stocking up on popcorn to watch the debates.

This year it’s possibly the most entertaining one yet, one one hand we have an old white possible rapist with dementia and on the other hand… an old white possible rapist with dementia!


And your desired person was?

Ron Paul in 2012

Now we’re on a one-way road to shitsville, all because the GOP chose Romney instead of Ron Paul back then

I can only hope my little vote for JoJo would matter, but probably not
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Postby -Astoria- » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:49 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:So in other words, you followed a roadmap to citizenship.

No they were legal immigration requirements I met, which all nations have, A path to citizenship makes illegals, legal. I was not an illegal than I became legal as a path to citizenship is. Nice bad try.
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Postby Andsed » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:49 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Aren't you an immigrant yourself? Are you saying you're an illegal immigrant?

Because without following some sort of roadmap to citizenship I can't see how you would become one, and since those are apparently "amnesty for illegals"....

I have posted about this a few times in great details on related threads. I emigrated from Cuba legally. I waited in the shit hole nation of Cuba for x numbers of years, I took and passed the physical medical examination, I met the legal requirements all nations have and emigrated legally the right way.

Biden does support a path of citizenship for 11 million illegals, making illegals, legal, no matter what it is called. I am right on the substance of my post.

So yes you followed a path to citzenship. Thanks for confirming.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:50 am

Neutraligon wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:No they were legal immigration requirements I met, which all nations have, A path to citizenship makes illegals, legal. I was not an illegal than I became legal as a path to citizenship is. Nice bad try.

a path to citizenship is the only way to legally become an American, whether you came here illegally or legally...

I strongly disagree, all nations have legal immigration laws and requirements I met in the hell hole nation of Cuba for x numbers of years.

Democrat Joe Biden supports a path to citizenship for illegals in the USA to make them legal. I am right and correct on this one.
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Postby Dresderstan » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:51 am

No State Here wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
And your desired person was?

Ron Paul in 2012

Now we’re on a one-way road to shitsville, all because the GOP chose Romney instead of Ron Paul back then

I can only hope my little vote for JoJo would matter, but probably not

One vote doesn't matter in our shitty FPTP system dominated by the Dems and GOP sadly.

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Postby United States of Devonta » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:57 am

Mentioning immigration and Latinos:

Biden unveiled his plans regarding Latinos yesterday
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Postby -Astoria- » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:57 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:a path to citizenship is the only way to legally become an American, whether you came here illegally or legally...

I strongly disagree, all nations have legal immigration laws and requirements I met in the hell hole nation of Cuba for x numbers of years.

Democrat Joe Biden supports a path to citizenship for illegals in the USA to make them legal. I am right and correct on this one.

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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:59 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:a path to citizenship is the only way to legally become an American, whether you came here illegally or legally...

I strongly disagree, all nations have legal immigration laws and requirements I met in the hell hole nation of Cuba for x numbers of years.

Democrat Joe Biden supports a path to citizenship for illegals in the USA to make them legal. I am right and correct on this one.

On what, that you used a pathway to citizenship that allowed you to legally immigrate here? GMS, any method that gives you legal status, regardless of if you have already come here illegally or waited got a green card to get that citizenship is a pathway to citizenship.
I think this is an issue of you not understanding the English term again.
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Postby Andsed » Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:00 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:a path to citizenship is the only way to legally become an American, whether you came here illegally or legally...

I strongly disagree, all nations have legal immigration laws and requirements I met in the hell hole nation of Cuba for x numbers of years.

Democrat Joe Biden supports a path to citizenship for illegals in the USA to make them legal. I am right and correct on this one.

A path to citizenship is just how one acquire citizenship. You followed a path to citizenship, all legal immigrants do. Reforming our current path to citizenship is a very sensible move on Bidens part.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:08 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:What's wrong providing a roadmap to citizenship for undocumented immigrants?


Just think of the Republican talking points.....

oh you mean like Democrat counter talking points, you know they have Democrat counter talking points too, Democrat spin machines, and a Democrat leftist media, but as I always say Republicans have them too.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:11 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Just think of the Republican talking points.....

oh you mean like Democrat counter talking points, you know they have Democrat counter talking points too, Democrat spin machines, and a Democrat leftist media, but as I always say Republicans have them too.


The democrats aren’t the topic of your arguement. You said citizenship/amnesty is wrong and you have not offered a reason why.

I am guessing you will simply repeat the republican talking points.

Before you start with the you lefty avoidence.

My questions of cost are different then the demo talking points (at least I think they are).

So try offering an argument versus “but the demos or it’s your opinion”
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:13 am

Neutraligon wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:I strongly disagree, all nations have legal immigration laws and requirements I met in the hell hole nation of Cuba for x numbers of years.

Democrat Joe Biden supports a path to citizenship for illegals in the USA to make them legal. I am right and correct on this one.

On what, that you used a pathway to citizenship that allowed you to legally immigrate here? GMS, any method that gives you legal status, regardless of if you have already come here illegally or waited got a green card to get that citizenship is a pathway to citizenship.
I think this is an issue of you not understanding the English term again.

Dude, there is a big difference with applying for legal immigration under legal immigration laws all nations have, waiting in the shit hole nation of Cuba or any nation, waiting there for x numbers of years, and meeting the requirements all nations have, the right way, than being in the USA as an illegal, crossing the border as an illegal and being made legal by a path to citizenship, supported by Democrat Joe Biden and most Democrats. There is a very big difference.
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