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Of All The Parties With 50+ Electoral Votes of Ballot Access, Which Party Do You Prefer?

Republicans
73
23%
Democrats
111
35%
Libertarians
24
8%
Greens
59
19%
Constitution Party
12
4%
Alliance Party
4
1%
Socialism and Liberation
31
10%
 
Total votes : 314

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The Andromeda Island Group
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Postby The Andromeda Island Group » Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:39 pm

Idzequitch wrote:

And Trump has never lied to us. No, never :roll:

Tbh though, I'm surprised he even addressed the issue. That's more than I expected from him.


But Joe Biden switched his positions on some issues during the course of his more than three decades in the Senate.
This means that Joe Biden is merely Donald Trump with a better haircut and more self-awareness.
So, let's vote for someone who has no chance of winning.
That'll show the Establishment. Split up the anti-MAGA vote.
We need to kick Establishment Democrats to the curb. Both my sister Ivanka and my brother Eric said so.

:p
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Postby Jedi Council » Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:40 pm

Kowani wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:I was mocking the fact it's even an issue rather than ones opposition to it.

Why is anyone talking about Sharia Law in a state where 1% or less of the population is Muslim?

Fearmongering, mostly.

Go figure.

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Kowani wrote:Fearmongering, mostly.

It’s an issue because of the lack of Paula Jean Swearengin being in the senate.


I am sure there are more pressing issues for WV that Swearengin should be campaigning on.

And the idea that she is the "only" Democrat who opposes Sharia Law is pretty silly. I dont think Sharia is going to make it into the Democratic platform this year, as much as FOX wants it to.
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Postby Pilipinas and Malaya » Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:41 pm

Kowani wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:I was mocking the fact it's even an issue rather than ones opposition to it.

Why is anyone talking about Sharia Law in a state where 1% or less of the population is Muslim?

Fearmongering, mostly.


Besides, Sharia is usually only applicable to Muslims anyways.
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Postby South Odreria 2 » Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:43 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
Kowani wrote:Fearmongering, mostly.

Go figure.

South Odreria 2 wrote:It’s an issue because of the lack of Paula Jean Swearengin being in the senate.


I am sure there are more pressing issues for WV that Swearengin should be campaigning on.

And the idea that she is the "only" Democrat who opposes Sharia Law is pretty silly. I dont think Sharia is going to make it into the Democratic platform this year, as much as FOX wants it to.

At some point I will be forced to state that the sharia thing was a joke
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Postby Cisairse » Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:52 pm

Pilipinas and Malaya wrote:
Kowani wrote:Fearmongering, mostly.


Besides, Sharia is usually only applicable to Muslims anyways.


#MAKEAMERICAOTTOMANAGAIN

Mehmed II 2020

"Every American should follow the set of laws dictated by their creed."
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Postby Kowani » Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:55 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Pilipinas and Malaya wrote:
Besides, Sharia is usually only applicable to Muslims anyways.


#MAKEAMERICAOTTOMANAGAIN

Mehmed II 2020

"Every American should follow the set of laws dictated by their creed."

Even that won't be acceptable to the evangelicals. They'll insist on taking all of society into their theocracy.
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Postby Cisairse » Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:57 pm

Kowani wrote:
Cisairse wrote:
#MAKEAMERICAOTTOMANAGAIN

Mehmed II 2020

"Every American should follow the set of laws dictated by their creed."

Even that won't be acceptable to the evangelicals. They'll insist on taking all of society into their theocracy.


They will be satisfied with holding one viziership out of seven.

If they don't like it, they can face the wrath of the combined forces of the other six viziers.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:15 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Kowani wrote:Even that won't be acceptable to the evangelicals. They'll insist on taking all of society into their theocracy.


They will be satisfied with holding one viziership out of seven.

If they don't like it, they can face the wrath of the combined forces of the other six viziers.

This directly conflicts with my goal of the US becoming a papal state.
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Postby Cisairse » Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:18 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Cisairse wrote:
They will be satisfied with holding one viziership out of seven.

If they don't like it, they can face the wrath of the combined forces of the other six viziers.

This directly conflicts with my goal of the US becoming a papal state.


Yes. Yes it does.
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Postby Superduperkid- » Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:19 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:This directly conflicts with my goal of the US becoming a papal state.


Yes. Yes it does.


And why the hell did you need to confirm that?
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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:21 pm

Superduperkid- wrote:
Cisairse wrote:
Yes. Yes it does.


And why the hell did you need to confirm that?

Hey, no swearing allowed in the future papal state.
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Postby Cisairse » Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:21 pm

Superduperkid- wrote:
Cisairse wrote:
Yes. Yes it does.


And why the hell did you need to confirm that?


I originally had a much longer bit typed out about how ND is welcome to get in the Coup Queue but will likely have to wait awhile because there are already six or seven other groups in the queue waiting to launch an attempted coup, but I couldn't get the wording right so I shortened it to the comically brief confirmation.
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Postby Corrian » Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:27 am

Cisairse wrote:
San Lumen wrote:New Jersey isnt going to be in play and in my view that is violation of the first amendment.


Trump has rallied here before: NJ-2 and NJ-3 are going to be among the most contested House seats this cycle (they were both Democratic flips in '18; NJ-3 had been a GOP hold since 2010 and they only lost it due to mail-in ballots. NJ-2's Democratic usurper has since switched to the GOP, where he faces an uphill battle for re-election).

Who the fuck wins as Democrat in this era then switches to GOP in this time? Seems dumb.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:31 am

Jedi Council wrote:
Kowani wrote:Fearmongering, mostly.

Go figure.

South Odreria 2 wrote:It’s an issue because of the lack of Paula Jean Swearengin being in the senate.


I am sure there are more pressing issues for WV that Swearengin should be campaigning on.

And the idea that she is the "only" Democrat who opposes Sharia Law is pretty silly. I dont think Sharia is going to make it into the Democratic platform this year, as much as FOX wants it to.

West Virginia is too red at this point for any democrat to have a chance. Once Manchin leaves office his seat is flipping.

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Postby Valrifell » Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:32 am

Cisairse wrote:
San Lumen wrote:New Jersey isnt going to be in play and in my view that is violation of the first amendment.


Trump has rallied here before: NJ-2 and NJ-3 are going to be among the most contested House seats this cycle (they were both Democratic flips in '18; NJ-3 had been a GOP hold since 2010 and they only lost it due to mail-in ballots. NJ-2's Democratic usurper has since switched to the GOP, where he faces an uphill battle for re-election).


Also NJ-5 only went Democratic in 2016, and while Gottheimer was re-elected by something like 20 points, my personal experience with the district and recent polls makes me consider it more of a tossup.

Also Gottheimer has a progressive challenger in Arati Kribach and that makes me happy. Her campaign seems well organized (wide social media presence, strong endorsements, I as a donor was being harassed to join call banks) so I wouldn't be too shocked if she pulls an upset win.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:48 am

Valrifell wrote:
Cisairse wrote:
Trump has rallied here before: NJ-2 and NJ-3 are going to be among the most contested House seats this cycle (they were both Democratic flips in '18; NJ-3 had been a GOP hold since 2010 and they only lost it due to mail-in ballots. NJ-2's Democratic usurper has since switched to the GOP, where he faces an uphill battle for re-election).


Also NJ-5 only went Democratic in 2016, and while Gottheimer was re-elected by something like 20 points, my personal experience with the district and recent polls makes me consider it more of a tossup.

Also Gottheimer has a progressive challenger in Arati Kribach and that makes me happy. Her campaign seems well organized (wide social media presence, strong endorsements, I as a donor was being harassed to join call banks) so I wouldn't be too shocked if she pulls an upset win.

That is a moderate district. Throwing him out in the primary would be a mistake. I am really tired of this effort to push anyone who isn’t a progressive out of the party

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Postby Valrifell » Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:49 am

San Lumen wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Also NJ-5 only went Democratic in 2016, and while Gottheimer was re-elected by something like 20 points, my personal experience with the district and recent polls makes me consider it more of a tossup.

Also Gottheimer has a progressive challenger in Arati Kribach and that makes me happy. Her campaign seems well organized (wide social media presence, strong endorsements, I as a donor was being harassed to join call banks) so I wouldn't be too shocked if she pulls an upset win.

That is a moderate district. Throwing him out in the primary would be a mistake. I am really tired of this effort to push anyone who isn’t a progressive out of the party


You're telling me the political bent of my home district. I'm aware of the political leanings of my neighbors (and the unrelated affluent suburbs of New York), but the heart wants what the heart wants.

Why are you criticizing me for voting?
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:51 am

Valrifell wrote:
San Lumen wrote:That is a moderate district. Throwing him out in the primary would be a mistake. I am really tired of this effort to push anyone who isn’t a progressive out of the party


You're telling me the political bent of my home district. I'm aware of the political leanings of my neighbors (and the unrelated affluent suburbs of New York), but the heart wants what the heart wants.

Why are you criticizing me for voting?

I’m not. You vote for whomever you want. I am merely saying I don’t think a progressive can win it

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Postby Shrillland » Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:53 am

San Lumen wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
You're telling me the political bent of my home district. I'm aware of the political leanings of my neighbors (and the unrelated affluent suburbs of New York), but the heart wants what the heart wants.

Why are you criticizing me for voting?

I’m not. You vote for whomever you want. I am merely saying I don’t think a progressive can win it


She's too far behind for it to matter, anyway.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:54 am

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I’m not. You vote for whomever you want. I am merely saying I don’t think a progressive can win it


She's too far behind for it to matter, anyway.

I saw a poll that showed Gottheimer with 64 percent of the vote. It was taken at the end of May

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Postby Shrillland » Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:55 am

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
She's too far behind for it to matter, anyway.

I saw a poll that showed Gottheimer with 64 percent of the vote. It was taken at the end of May


We have bigger fish to fry, anyway. Kentucky's been completely upended by all the unrest, and McGrath's coronation's now looking like a possible primary loss.
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:59 am

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I’m not. You vote for whomever you want. I am merely saying I don’t think a progressive can win it


She's too far behind for it to matter, anyway.


Indeed, I doubt she'd actually make it past the primary. I vote anyway, because democracy.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jun 13, 2020 7:00 am

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I saw a poll that showed Gottheimer with 64 percent of the vote. It was taken at the end of May


We have bigger fish to fry, anyway. Kentucky's been completely upended by all the unrest, and McGrath's coronation's now looking like a possible primary loss.

Do you think Booker has a chance to win the general?

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West Virginia state Delegate Marshall Wilson who quit the GOP last year over his dislike of the state’s executive has announced he will run for Governor as an independent

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Postby Valrifell » Sat Jun 13, 2020 7:02 am

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
She's too far behind for it to matter, anyway.

I saw a poll that showed Gottheimer with 64 percent of the vote. It was taken at the end of May


I've been struggling to find polling here, to my chagrin. You have no idea how much I'd love to see your sources.
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Postby Corrian » Sat Jun 13, 2020 7:03 am

San Lumen wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Also NJ-5 only went Democratic in 2016, and while Gottheimer was re-elected by something like 20 points, my personal experience with the district and recent polls makes me consider it more of a tossup.

Also Gottheimer has a progressive challenger in Arati Kribach and that makes me happy. Her campaign seems well organized (wide social media presence, strong endorsements, I as a donor was being harassed to join call banks) so I wouldn't be too shocked if she pulls an upset win.

That is a moderate district. Throwing him out in the primary would be a mistake. I am really tired of this effort to push anyone who isn’t a progressive out of the party

Yeah, I know, you're tired of people expressing democracy.

Everyone has the right to throw out a current member if they want to try. Should it and does it work everywhere? No. But it should absolutely be allowed.
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