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Cisairse wrote:Donald Trump's approval rating is now 41.4%, the lowest it has been since November 20.

Notably, an approval rating of 41.4% and a disapproval rating of 54.3% is very close to (within MOE) that CNN poll this morning that showed Biden as 14 points above Trump. This suggestions that, unlike Hillary Clinton, Biden is successfully capturing virtually all of the non-Trump votes.

Clinton came off as condescending, out of touch, lacks empathy, and is arrogant, which led to her approval being around what Trump had in 2016. Hell, a freaking rock can relate better than she can.

Biden is the complete opposite of most of those qualities so this time will be different for Trump. Like Clinton, Biden is well defined but unlike her, Biden is much more liked. While I do suspect this 13 point gap will close in terms of Trump's favorability and as we near the election, Biden is building a coalition that he hopes to retain in the long term, one he seems to be building more and more every day. He still needs to figure out how to excite voters overall, especially young people, progressives, and Latinos, but overall, he's in a much better position than Clinton was at this point; it pays off being the nominee earlier.

Zurkerx wrote:

Cisairse wrote:Donald Trump's approval rating is now 41.4%, the lowest it has been since November 20.

Notably, an approval rating of 41.4% and a disapproval rating of 54.3% is very close to (within MOE) that CNN poll this morning that showed Biden as 14 points above Trump. This suggestions that, unlike Hillary Clinton, Biden is successfully capturing virtually all of the non-Trump votes.

Clinton came off as condescending, out of touch, lacks empathy, and is arrogant, which led to her approval being around what Trump had in 2016. Hell, a freaking rock can relate better than she can.

Biden is the complete opposite of most of those qualities so this time will be different for Trump. Like Clinton, Biden is well defined but unlike her, Biden is much more liked. While I do suspect this 13 point gap will close in terms of Trump's favorability and as we near the election, Biden is building a coalition that he hopes to retain in the long term, one he seems to be building more and more every day. He still needs to figure out how to excite voters overall, especially young people, progressives, and Latinos, but overall, he's in a much better position than Clinton was at this point; it pays off being the nominee earlier.

Joe Biden may not have as much of a problem among young voters as you think. Biden leads Trump by double-digit percentages among all voters under the age of 44, including leading Trump by 24.1 points among 18-29 year olds (which is better than Hillary polled among that group).
Biden leads all voters under age 49 easily, with a clear negative trend of support the older you go. However, Biden's increased levels of support among older people compared to H. Clinton may be enough to deliver him a comfortable victory on its own.

Cisairse wrote:

Zurkerx wrote:
Clinton came off as condescending, out of touch, lacks empathy, and is arrogant, which led to her approval being around what Trump had in 2016. Hell, a freaking rock can relate better than she can.

Biden is the complete opposite of most of those qualities so this time will be different for Trump. Like Clinton, Biden is well defined but unlike her, Biden is much more liked. While I do suspect this 13 point gap will close in terms of Trump's favorability and as we near the election, Biden is building a coalition that he hopes to retain in the long term, one he seems to be building more and more every day. He still needs to figure out how to excite voters overall, especially young people, progressives, and Latinos, but overall, he's in a much better position than Clinton was at this point; it pays off being the nominee earlier.

Joe Biden may not have as much of a problem among young voters as you think. Biden leads Trump by double-digit percentages among all voters under the age of 44, including leading Trump by 24.1 points among 18-29 year olds (which is better than Hillary polled among that group).
Biden leads all voters under age 49 easily, with a clear negative trend of support the older you go. However, Biden's increased levels of support among older people compared to H. Clinton may be enough to deliver him a comfortable victory on its own.

Indeed: Biden has siphoned off some older voters from Trump while retaining what Clinton had in 2016. That said, Biden needs to ensure they remain in his column and not take them for granted, which is why he needs to solidify his base now: because he's bound to take a few hits from Trump. We're five months away: anything is possible, and Biden's VP could either strengthen or weaken his ticket.

Trump's problems with older people will likely cost him dearly in FL, ME, PA, AZ, WI, and maybe even OH and IA. These are all states with an elderly population between 17 - 21%. It could be the difference maker between a nail biting close election night and a Biden cakewalk.

Jerzylvania wrote:Trump's problems with older people will likely cost him dearly in FL, ME, PA, AZ, WI, and maybe even OH and IA. These are all states with an elderly population between 17 - 21%. It could be the difference maker between a nail biting close election night and a Biden cakewalk.

Hopefully its a cakewalk. I don;'t want the victor not known for days giving Trump and Republicans fodder to cry fraud

San Lumen wrote:

Jerzylvania wrote:Trump's problems with older people will likely cost him dearly in FL, ME, PA, AZ, WI, and maybe even OH and IA. These are all states with an elderly population between 17 - 21%. It could be the difference maker between a nail biting close election night and a Biden cakewalk.

Hopefully its a cakewalk. I don;'t want the victor not known for days giving Trump and Republicans fodder to cry fraud

They will cry fraud no matter what.

Cisairse wrote:

San Lumen wrote:Hopefully its a cakewalk. I don;'t want the victor not known for days giving Trump and Republicans fodder to cry fraud

They will cry fraud no matter what.

I know but I'd rather the outcome be known election night leading no credence to such claims

San Lumen wrote:

Cisairse wrote:
They will cry fraud no matter what.

I know but I'd rather the outcome be known election night leading no credence to such claims

Seems unlikely. Trump's victory didn't even seem more-likely-than-not until after midnight on Election Night 2016 (OH and FL were called before midnight, but PA wasn't called until after 1am; Dems were hoping to hold PA/MI/WI to secure victory, and none of those states were called before midnight). He didn't reach 270 until around 2:30am, when WI was called and Clinton conceded.

Add in mail-in ballots and we're talking about maybe not even knowing the day after.

Cisairse wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
I know but I'd rather the outcome be known election night leading no credence to such claims

Seems unlikely. Trump's victory didn't even seem more-likely-than-not until after midnight on Election Night 2016 (OH and FL were called before midnight, but PA wasn't called until after 1am; Dems were hoping to hold PA/MI/WI to secure victory, and none of those states were called before midnight). He didn't reach 270 until around 2:30am, when WI was called and Clinton conceded.

Add in mail-in ballots and we're talking about maybe not even knowing the day after.

and that will give them credence to cry fraud

San Lumen wrote:

Cisairse wrote:
Seems unlikely. Trump's victory didn't even seem more-likely-than-not until after midnight on Election Night 2016 (OH and FL were called before midnight, but PA wasn't called until after 1am; Dems were hoping to hold PA/MI/WI to secure victory, and none of those states were called before midnight). He didn't reach 270 until around 2:30am, when WI was called and Clinton conceded.

Add in mail-in ballots and we're talking about maybe not even knowing the day after.

and that will give them credence to cry fraud

Trump will cry fraud even if he wins. As long as the ballots themselves remain undisputed, we won't be seeing a repeat of 2000.

Cisairse wrote:

San Lumen wrote:and that will give them credence to cry fraud

Trump will cry fraud even if he wins. As long as the ballots themselves remain undisputed, we won't be seeing a repeat of 2000.

Hopefully major cites don't close most of their polling places out of fear.

San Lumen wrote:

Cisairse wrote:
Trump will cry fraud even if he wins. As long as the ballots themselves remain undisputed, we won't be seeing a repeat of 2000.

Hopefully major cites don't close most of their polling places out of fear.

Depends on how the pandemic goes, really.

Cisairse wrote:

San Lumen wrote:Hopefully major cites don't close most of their polling places out of fear.

Depends on how the pandemic goes, really.

It would mean millions can't vote and Trump wins easily

Cisairse wrote:

San Lumen wrote:Hopefully its a cakewalk. I don;'t want the victor not known for days giving Trump and Republicans fodder to cry fraud

They will cry fraud no matter what.

I'm worried if he loses he'll refuse to step down, and what might come of that.

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:

Cisairse wrote:
They will cry fraud no matter what.

I'm worried if he loses he'll refuse to step down, and what might come of that.

He can refuse all he wants. Once The electoral college votes its over. The moment the clock strikes noon on January 20th 2021 he is no longer president and the secret service and military will no longer take orders from him

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:

Cisairse wrote:
They will cry fraud no matter what.

I'm worried if he loses he'll refuse to step down, and what might come of that.

That's my biggest fear.

And to all those saying "WeLL thEre's A ProCEss ThaT pReVeNts It," have you seen the dismantling of the checks and balances that supposedly protect our democracy?

Major-Tom wrote:

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
I'm worried if he loses he'll refuse to step down, and what might come of that.

That's my biggest fear.

And to all those saying "WeLL thEre's A ProCEss ThaT pReVeNts It," have you seen the dismantling of the checks and balances that supposedly protect our democracy?

The military and secret service arent going to back Trump once his term is legally over.

Major-Tom wrote:

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
I'm worried if he loses he'll refuse to step down, and what might come of that.

That's my biggest fear.

And to all those saying "WeLL thEre's A ProCEss ThaT pReVeNts It," have you seen the dismantling of the checks and balances that supposedly protect our democracy?

Thankfully I don't think he has enough power or influence to stage a coup and keep himself in power indefinitely. That would require military support, and he's losing that faster than France lost the Nazi invasion.

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:

Major-Tom wrote:
That's my biggest fear.

And to all those saying "WeLL thEre's A ProCEss ThaT pReVeNts It," have you seen the dismantling of the checks and balances that supposedly protect our democracy?

Thankfully I don't think he has enough power or influence to stage a coup and keep himself in power indefinitely. That would require military support, and he's losing that faster than France lost the Nazi invasion.

He doesn't. The military would respect a peaceful transfer of power. Its important to remember there is no legal requirement the President reside in the White House.

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:

Major-Tom wrote:
That's my biggest fear.

And to all those saying "WeLL thEre's A ProCEss ThaT pReVeNts It," have you seen the dismantling of the checks and balances that supposedly protect our democracy?

Thankfully I don't think he has enough power or influence to stage a coup and keep himself in power indefinitely. That would require military support, and he's losing that faster than France lost the Nazi invasion.

I don't think so either, but I can guarantee he's going to try his hand in staging multiple court battle after court battle, lawsuit after lawsuit, maybe even bring it to the SC all the while his fervent supporters get more and more aggravated.

I'm worried about violence more than anything from a Trump loss.

Major-Tom wrote:

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Thankfully I don't think he has enough power or influence to stage a coup and keep himself in power indefinitely. That would require military support, and he's losing that faster than France lost the Nazi invasion.

I don't think so either, but I can guarantee he's going to try his hand in staging multiple court battle after court battle, lawsuit after lawsuit, maybe even bring it to the SC all the while his fervent supporters get more and more aggravated.

I'm worried about violence more than anything from a Trump loss.

He's going to have to give solid evidence of fraud. Former Kentucky Governor Matt Bevin tried that angle last year and most the Republican officials in the state including McConnell told him to provide evidence or concede and accept defeat

San Lumen wrote:

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Thankfully I don't think he has enough power or influence to stage a coup and keep himself in power indefinitely. That would require military support, and he's losing that faster than France lost the Nazi invasion.

He doesn't. The military would respect a peaceful transfer of power. Its important to remember there is no legal requirement the President reside in the White House.

Would you support a pro-Biden coup if Trump wins?

Kargintina the Third wrote:

San Lumen wrote:He doesn't. The military would respect a peaceful transfer of power. Its important to remember there is no legal requirement the President reside in the White House.

Would you support a pro-Biden coup if Trump wins?

I don't think anyone has come close to implying that.

Kargintina the Third wrote:

San Lumen wrote:He doesn't. The military would respect a peaceful transfer of power. Its important to remember there is no legal requirement the President reside in the White House.

Would you support a pro-Biden coup if Trump wins?

I never have voiced support for anything of the sort.

Kargintina the Third wrote:

San Lumen wrote:He doesn't. The military would respect a peaceful transfer of power. Its important to remember there is no legal requirement the President reside in the White House.

Would you support a pro-Biden coup if Trump wins?

Who the fuck would launch a coup to put Biden of all people in power? I don't even think Biden has the stones to be involved in a coup, let alone be the poster child for it.