2020 US General Election Thread VII: Summer of Discontent

[San Lumen]

I see your point but its still an incredibly dumb thing to say.

What would be sarcastic about it?

Coulter doesn't actually say "I endorse Amy McGrath" ...

It certainly comes off as one.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Coulter doesn't actually say "I endorse Amy McGrath" ...

It certainly comes off as one.

Yes. As it stands it's a remarkable change of tack by Coulter.
It is however deniable: she might be beating up an audience for her next paid gig.

[San Lumen]

It certainly comes off as one.

Yes. As it stands it's a remarkable change of tack by Coulter.
It is however deniable: she might be beating up an audience for her next paid gig.

for what purpose though?

[Cisairse]

As someone who has worked in polling and now manages a team of statisticians and data scientists, I've been urging everyone to avoid the polls until after the first debate. That being said, there's one stat that has a strong historical precedence and is hard to ignore:

SITTING APPROVAL RATING FOR INCUMBENT PRESIDENTS AT THIS POINT OF THEIR PRESIDENCY (Source):
Trump: 38% (TBD)
Obama: 46% (Reelected)
W: 48% (Reelected but lost popular vote)
Clinton: 48% (Reelected)
Bush Sr: 38% (Lost reelection)
Reagan: 54% (Reelected)
Carter: 31% (Lost reelection)
Ford: 45% (Lost reelection)
Nixon: 56% (Reelected)
LBJ: 40% (Chose not to seek reelection but would likely have lost)
Kenedy: 58% before assassination (easily would have been reelected)
Eisenhower: 73% (Reelected)
Truman: 40% and on an upswing (no data on this particular date) (Barely reelected)

Trump is part of a club he should really wish he didn't belong. At this point no president with an approval rating below 45% has been reelected - Truman's 40% is for the two weeks prior to this time period and when he started campaigning hard as hell and had a monumental upswing.

Hol up. W didn't lose the popular vote in 2004.

[Tombradyonia]

Willie Horton thinks not and Goldwater would have disappointed you as POTUS, but then again you weren't alive back then, or were you?

I could not be more disappointed in a president than LBJ, my preference goes to Goldwater every time.

Some might say... in your heart you know he's right.

Others would reply... in your guts you feel he's nuts.

The Daisy commercial wasn't so crazy at all. There were more conservatives at the time who were open to the idea of nuclear war, such as Curtis LeMay (often nicknamed "bombs away" LeMay) and a decade earlier Douglas MacArthur had openly toyed with the idea during the Korea war (which rightfully got him dismissed as commander, one of the best decisions Truman ever made and he made many). My grandpa (who grew up during the New Deal) used to talk about it all the time. He loathed Goldwater and considered him a deranged warmonger.

LBJ screwed up badly in Vietnam, and that caused the collapse of the great society.

[Tombradyonia]

It certainly comes off as one.

Yes. As it stands it's a remarkable change of tack by Coulter.
It is however deniable: she might be beating up an audience for her next paid gig.

Not that I particularly care for Coulter, but she's fairly consistent when it comes to her pet issues. She's even on record that she would vote for Bernie Sanders if Bernie re-adopted his old views about immigration (which apparently were different from what they are now).

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Yes. As it stands it's a remarkable change of tack by Coulter.
It is however deniable: she might be beating up an audience for her next paid gig.

for what purpose though?

... beat up an audience for her next paid gig ... or maybe write another book
ie make money

[Outer Sparta]

https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1281688979411271686?s=20

Conservative activist Ann Coulter has endorsed Amy McGrath!!! What is this world coming too when i agree with someone like her? Coulter has a history of highly controversial statements such as if women couldn’t vote we’d never have to worry about another democratic president

It's probably some form of 10D chess. Make no mistake, Coutler is still with the same company as Lahren and other right-wing people.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Yes. As it stands it's a remarkable change of tack by Coulter.
It is however deniable: she might be beating up an audience for her next paid gig.

Not that I particularly care for Coulter, but she's fairly consistent when it comes to her pet issues. She's even on record that she would vote for Bernie Sanders if Bernie re-adopted his old views about immigration (which apparently were different from what they are now).

You don't think that's just a snipe at Bernie ..?

She HAS been consistent, which makes the recent tweet rather intriguing.

[South Odreria 2]

Bruh Biden lookin pretty good

[Northern Davincia]

Bruh Biden lookin pretty good

Eh, maybe in poll numbers but not in much else.

[Cisairse]

Bruh Biden lookin pretty good

I'm honestly considering voting for him now

[Uiiop]

Bruh Biden lookin pretty good

I'm cynical about him actually following though but if i wasn't his healthcare and eco shit would make me feeling good about voting and not just waiting and see how the state looks come nov.

[Jerzylvania]

I could not be more disappointed in a president than LBJ, my preference goes to Goldwater every time.

Some might say... in your heart you know he's right.

Others would reply... in your guts you feel he's nuts.

The Daisy commercial wasn't so crazy at all. There were more conservatives at the time who were open to the idea of nuclear war, such as Curtis LeMay (often nicknamed "bombs away" LeMay) and a decade earlier Douglas MacArthur had openly toyed with the idea during the Korea war (which rightfully got him dismissed as commander, one of the best decisions Truman ever made and he made many). My grandpa (who grew up during the New Deal) used to talk about it all the time. He loathed Goldwater and considered him a deranged warmonger.

LBJ screwed up badly in Vietnam, and that caused the collapse of the great society.

Back in those Cold War days, when these people said "better dead than Red" they meant it 100%. They were willing to blow the entire world up over it and they hoped the situation would get to that point. People think our current morass is scary, but they have no idea what 1950 - 1972 felt like on a day to day basis. It's a wonder we made it beyond those years.

[Jerzylvania]

Bruh Biden lookin pretty good

You finally made it. Congrats. Welcome.

[Outer Sparta]

Bruh Biden lookin pretty good

Does that mean you'll support him now

[Ngelmish]

Not that I particularly care for Coulter, but she's fairly consistent when it comes to her pet issues. She's even on record that she would vote for Bernie Sanders if Bernie re-adopted his old views about immigration (which apparently were different from what they are now).

You don't think that's just a snipe at Bernie ..?

She HAS been consistent, which makes the recent tweet rather intriguing.

It's a legitimate snipe at Bernie (he had a pretty consistent record there) and an integral part of why he lost the '16 primary that had nothing to do with any of the various "rigged" nonsense theories.

[South Odreria 2]

Bruh Biden lookin pretty good

I'm cynical about him actually following though but if i wasn't his healthcare and eco shit would make me feeling good about voting and not just waiting and see how the state looks come nov.

I’m also skeptical, and I disagree with some of his proposals but I believe that if we keep up the bullying his presidency will be good for the labour movement.

Bruh Biden lookin pretty good

Does that mean you'll support him now

I thought I was pretty clear that I was already leaning that direction

[The Black Forrest]

I'm cynical about him actually following though but if i wasn't his healthcare and eco shit would make me feeling good about voting and not just waiting and see how the state looks come nov.

I’m also skeptical, and I disagree with some of his proposals but I believe that if we keep up the bullying his presidency will be good for the labour movement.

Does that mean you'll support him now

I already was leaning that direction because his healthcare plan would benefit me.

Cool on both fronts.

One the trump disaster is consigned to history; we can work on making the demos less republican lite.

[Outer Sparta]

I'm cynical about him actually following though but if i wasn't his healthcare and eco shit would make me feeling good about voting and not just waiting and see how the state looks come nov.

I’m also skeptical, and I disagree with some of his proposals but I believe that if we keep up the bullying his presidency will be good for the labour movement.

Does that mean you'll support him now

I thought I was pretty clear that I was already leaning that direction

Well, welcome to the team anyway!

[Outer Sparta]

I’m also skeptical, and I disagree with some of his proposals but I believe that if we keep up the bullying his presidency will be good for the labour movement.


I already was leaning that direction because his healthcare plan would benefit me.

Cool on both fronts.

One the trump disaster is consigned to history; we can work on making the demos less republican lite.

Get Biden to stabilize things, then use that as a stepping stone to work for a more progressive future.

[Uiiop]

Cool on both fronts.

One the trump disaster is consigned to history; we can work on making the demos less republican lite.

Get Biden to stabilize things, then use that as a stepping stone to work for a more progressive future.

You sure he wouldn't try to stop that?

[Outer Sparta]

I see your point but its still an incredibly dumb thing to say.

What would be sarcastic about it?

Coulter doesn't actually say "I endorse Amy McGrath" ...

I wish Amy McGrath wasn't a thing anymore and instead other Senate candidates like Theresa Greenfield, Cal Cunningham, and incumbent Gary Peters get more attention and funding.

[Ngelmish]

Cool on both fronts.

One the trump disaster is consigned to history; we can work on making the demos less republican lite.

Get Biden to stabilize things, then use that as a stepping stone to work for a more progressive future.

Which only works if we keep his successor in office. And her successor, most likely.

Like, I sympathize with idea that Democrats don't do enough (they never have), but that's what it takes. You don't refuse to put Al Gore in office because Clinton sucked, you do it anyway because there's a framework already in place that he can build on. Or you the give the right 4 to 8 to 12 years to just blow things up and the next time you have your 8 years, you, maybe, have just barely gotten a functional structure back together again. Stepping stones require multiple steps, and the worst thing about the Democratic coalition is their tendency to plunge into the water because they didn't like the last stone.

[Outer Sparta]

Get Biden to stabilize things, then use that as a stepping stone to work for a more progressive future.

Which only works if we keep his successor in office. And her successor, most likely.

Like, I sympathize with idea that Democrats don't do enough (they never have), but that's what it takes. You don't refuse to put Al Gore in office because Clinton sucked, you do it anyway because there's a framework already in place that he can build on. Or you the give the right 4 to 8 to 12 years to just blow things up and the next time you have your 8 years, you, maybe, have just barely gotten a functional structure back together again. Stepping stones require multiple steps, and the worst thing about the Democratic coalition is their tendency to plunge into the water because they didn't like the last stone.

Democrats shouldn't have to be afraid to jump up to the next stone or push for nation-changing ideas and policy. Being timid and not bold is a disaster in politics in general.