2020 US General Election Thread VII: Summer of Discontent

[Shrillland]

I'm not normally one to post editorials, but this one's taking a look at and keeping in mind as we see poll after poll in state after state showing Biden as all but inevitable: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/07/06/biden-leads-but-voter-suppression-covid-boost-trump-odds-column/5380244002/

And it is true that new voter registration has plummeted as a result of COVID-19.

[Outer Sparta]

I'm not normally one to post editorials, but this one's taking a look at and keeping in mind as we see poll after poll in state after state showing Biden as all but inevitable: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/07/06/biden-leads-but-voter-suppression-covid-boost-trump-odds-column/5380244002/

And it is true that new voter registration has plummeted as a result of COVID-19.

Brian Kemp and the WI GOP used the primaries as a tool for them to test out new ways to depress turnout. It didn't work in Wisconsin (given their WI Supreme Court candidate lost) and Georgia is, well, Georgia.

[Kargintina the Third]

I'm not normally one to post editorials, but this one's taking a look at and keeping in mind as we see poll after poll in state after state showing Biden as all but inevitable: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/07/06/biden-leads-but-voter-suppression-covid-boost-trump-odds-column/5380244002/

And it is true that new voter registration has plummeted as a result of COVID-19.

I have to be that guy and point out that the link says “Bider”.

[San Lumen]

https://ksltv.com/440900/spencer-cox-wi ... nors-race/

Lieutenant governor Spencer Cox has won the Republican nomination for Governor of Utah

[Shrillland]

https://ksltv.com/440900/spencer-cox-wins-republican-primary-in-governors-race/

Lieutenant governor Spencer Cox has won the Republican nomination for Governor of Utah

That just leaves the Brooklyn Central house race, and Kings County doesn't start counting until Wednesday. Still no word about expected delays for New Jersey tomorrow though.

[Outer Sparta]

https://ksltv.com/440900/spencer-cox-wins-republican-primary-in-governors-race/

Lieutenant governor Spencer Cox has won the Republican nomination for Governor of Utah

Interesting. Huntsman loses this one.

[Zurkerx]

https://ksltv.com/440900/spencer-cox-wins-republican-primary-in-governors-race/

Lieutenant governor Spencer Cox has won the Republican nomination for Governor of Utah

Interesting. Huntsman loses this one.

Apparently (and I'm not sure how true this is) but Huntsman I believed embraced Trump; Cox I think is an anti-Trump Republican and a moderate(?). I do like Cox based on what I know, and Huntsman though if he had come to the Trump Wing of the Party, it would leave a bad taste in my mouth.

[Shrillland]

Interesting. Huntsman loses this one.

Apparently (and I'm not sure how true this is) but Huntsman I believed embraced Trump; Cox I think is an anti-Trump Republican and a moderate(?). I do like Cox based on what I know, and Huntsman though if he had come to the Trump Wing of the Party, it would leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Pretty much. Remember, Trump barely managed to win Utah with the Republicans there hopelessly divided three ways.

[San Lumen]

https://ksltv.com/440900/spencer-cox-wins-republican-primary-in-governors-race/

Lieutenant governor Spencer Cox has won the Republican nomination for Governor of Utah

That just leaves the Brooklyn Central house race, and Kings County doesn't start counting until Wednesday. Still no word about expected delays for New Jersey tomorrow though.

Whose the incumbent in that district?

[Shrillland]

That just leaves the Brooklyn Central house race, and Kings County doesn't start counting until Wednesday. Still no word about expected delays for New Jersey tomorrow though.

Whose the incumbent in that district?

Carolyn Maloney. That race has been in stasis for two weeks now, and we can't determine who wins until the absentee votes are counted.

Also, rest assured there won't be so much confusion come '22. I'm going to make a list of district names and put it in my sig starting then.

[San Lumen]

Whose the incumbent in that district?

Carolyn Maloney. That race has been in stasis for two weeks now, and we can't determine who wins until the absentee votes are counted.

Also, rest assured there won't be so much confusion come '22. I'm going to make a list of district names and put it in my sig starting then.

And hopefully the two week rule for counting absentee ballots is repealed by November

[San Lumen]

https://amp.detroitnews.com/amp/5382976 ... ssion=true

Michigan could vote on an amendment that would remove emergency powers from the governor and repeal an act passed in 1945. The 1945 law grants governors the power to take actions without the Legislature's approval during declared emergencies.

[Shrillland]

https://amp.detroitnews.com/amp/5382976002?__twitter_impression=true

Michigan could vote on an amendment that would remove emergency powers from the governor and repeal an act passed in 1945. The 1945 law grants governors the power to take actions without the Legislature's approval during declared emergencies.

Not this year, though. They just got the go ahead to start gathering signatures over 180 days, which means it probably won't be on the ballot until next year.

[South Odreria 2]

My utah family like spencer Cox I think so that’s why he won

[Cisairse]

What kind of madman would design such a system?

Math 1 Rhetoric 0.

Disingenuous math that even CGPGrey later admitted. Just counting cities without counting the metro areas makes the number seem smaller than it is. Please don't misread me, I'm all for scrapping the electoral college via NPVIC myself, I'm just pointing out we must be honest when doing so.

Cities are, explicitly, not the metro areas.

The metro areas include rural farmland, suburban small towns, sister cities, and everything in between. That's far, far away from just "a few cities" deciding the election.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Carolyn Maloney. That race has been in stasis for two weeks now, and we can't determine who wins until the absentee votes are counted.

Also, rest assured there won't be so much confusion come '22. I'm going to make a list of district names and put it in my sig starting then.

And hopefully the two week rule for counting absentee ballots is repealed by November

I thought postal votes were the problem? Other states/counties could probably get the absentee ballots in more quickly than two weeks, but not instantly. There's no harm in allowing the two weeks for absentee ballots, if that's needed anyway for postal ballots.

So what would you have instead?
Close absentee voting several days before election day? That implies there is early voting where the absentee is.
Close postal voting two weeks before election day?
Only count postal votes that have already arrived by election day?
Throw away postal votes that arrive say 3 days after election day?

I could see reducing the postal/absentee period of grace to maybe 5 working days. Though it practice that would be a delay of 7 days due to a weekend. Reducing it just 3 days (until friday) might be OK for absentee ballots but wouldn't be OK for postal ballots. Some people who postal-voted on election day or shortly before would have their votes delayed in the mail (through no fault of their own) and their votes would not be counted.

And for what? So you can see "100% counted" on election night? That isn't even going to happen, unless you do something drastic like close absentee voting a week early. You know the vast majority of races are called one way or the other, well before all the votes are counted, it's extremely rare that a race would be decided by a few postals that get delayed in the mail.

[Cisairse]

https://ksltv.com/440900/spencer-cox-wins-republican-primary-in-governors-race/

Lieutenant governor Spencer Cox has won the Republican nomination for Governor of Utah

That just leaves the Brooklyn Central house race, and Kings County doesn't start counting until Wednesday. Still no word about expected delays for New Jersey tomorrow though.

NJ is mail-only this time, so don't expect results for competitive races for a few days.

[Shrillland]

That just leaves the Brooklyn Central house race, and Kings County doesn't start counting until Wednesday. Still no word about expected delays for New Jersey tomorrow though.

NJ is mail-only this time, so don't expect results for competitive races for a few days.

Fortunately, there's only a few of those tomorrow.

[Cisairse]

NJ is mail-only this time, so don't expect results for competitive races for a few days.

Fortunately, there's only a few of those tomorrow.

Yeah. Pretty sure the only parts of my ballot which had more than 1 person was a token challenge to Booker and the presidential primary.

[Outer Sparta]

And hopefully the two week rule for counting absentee ballots is repealed by November

I thought postal votes were the problem? Other states/counties could probably get the absentee ballots in more quickly than two weeks, but not instantly. There's no harm in allowing the two weeks for absentee ballots, if that's needed anyway for postal ballots.

So what would you have instead?
Close absentee voting several days before election day? That implies there is early voting where the absentee is.
Close postal voting two weeks before election day?
Only count postal votes that have already arrived by election day?
Throw away postal votes that arrive say 3 days after election day?

I could see reducing the postal/absentee period of grace to maybe 5 working days. Though it practice that would be a delay of 7 days due to a weekend. Reducing it just 3 days (until friday) might be OK for absentee ballots but wouldn't be OK for postal ballots. Some people who postal-voted on election day or shortly before would have their votes delayed in the mail (through no fault of their own) and their votes would not be counted.

And for what? So you can see "100% counted" on election night? That isn't even going to happen, unless you do something drastic like close absentee voting a week early. You know the vast majority of races are called one way or the other, well before all the votes are counted, it's extremely rare that a race would be decided by a few postals that get delayed in the mail.

There are a few specific races in 2018 that were ultimately decided by late mail-in ballots in areas that had a higher proportion of absentee ballots.

[San Lumen]

And hopefully the two week rule for counting absentee ballots is repealed by November

I thought postal votes were the problem? Other states/counties could probably get the absentee ballots in more quickly than two weeks, but not instantly. There's no harm in allowing the two weeks for absentee ballots, if that's needed anyway for postal ballots.

So what would you have instead?
Close absentee voting several days before election day? That implies there is early voting where the absentee is.
Close postal voting two weeks before election day?
Only count postal votes that have already arrived by election day?
Throw away postal votes that arrive say 3 days after election day?

I could see reducing the postal/absentee period of grace to maybe 5 working days. Though it practice that would be a delay of 7 days due to a weekend. Reducing it just 3 days (until friday) might be OK for absentee ballots but wouldn't be OK for postal ballots. Some people who postal-voted on election day or shortly before would have their votes delayed in the mail (through no fault of their own) and their votes would not be counted.

And for what? So you can see "100% counted" on election night? That isn't even going to happen, unless you do something drastic like close absentee voting a week early. You know the vast majority of races are called one way or the other, well before all the votes are counted, it's extremely rare that a race would be decided by a few postals that get delayed in the mail.

No start counting them as soon as they received which is what I believe, Washington, Oregon and. Colorado do. Then as soon as polls close Election Day start releasing them. There has never once been a breach since they went all mail

[Cisairse]

I thought postal votes were the problem? Other states/counties could probably get the absentee ballots in more quickly than two weeks, but not instantly. There's no harm in allowing the two weeks for absentee ballots, if that's needed anyway for postal ballots.

So what would you have instead?
Close absentee voting several days before election day? That implies there is early voting where the absentee is.
Close postal voting two weeks before election day?
Only count postal votes that have already arrived by election day?
Throw away postal votes that arrive say 3 days after election day?

I could see reducing the postal/absentee period of grace to maybe 5 working days. Though it practice that would be a delay of 7 days due to a weekend. Reducing it just 3 days (until friday) might be OK for absentee ballots but wouldn't be OK for postal ballots. Some people who postal-voted on election day or shortly before would have their votes delayed in the mail (through no fault of their own) and their votes would not be counted.

And for what? So you can see "100% counted" on election night? That isn't even going to happen, unless you do something drastic like close absentee voting a week early. You know the vast majority of races are called one way or the other, well before all the votes are counted, it's extremely rare that a race would be decided by a few postals that get delayed in the mail.

There are a few specific races in 2018 that were ultimately decided by late mail-in ballots in areas that had a higher proportion of absentee ballots.

I live in one! It was a super exciting week to watch the initial in-person lead of the incumbent (R) dwindle slowly hour by hour and eventually become eclipsed by the ultimately victorious (D) challenger.

Mail-in voting is great.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

States can now punish EC voters if they vote against their staters popular vote.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/06/politics ... index.html

I'm still not clear whether the ruling allows states to remove an Elector and replace them with one who will vote the right way?

Considering what's at stake, a punishment like $1000 fine is utterly trivial. An Elector who was one of a small group changing the election result would be a hero to the party who won, they'd make their $1,000 back in a few weeks of dinner parties and then much more on a book deal.

Imo, states should be allowed to replace faithless electors, not just punish them. And I'm not sure if the unanimous ruling of SCOTUS does that?

[Outer Sparta]

There are a few specific races in 2018 that were ultimately decided by late mail-in ballots in areas that had a higher proportion of absentee ballots.

I live in one! It was a super exciting week to watch the initial in-person lead of the incumbent (R) dwindle slowly hour by hour and eventually become eclipsed by the ultimately victorious (D) challenger.

Mail-in voting is great.

Was that one of those Orange County districts cause I remember a Republican getting an initial lead (Young Kim) and then it got whittled down and the Democratic candidate Gil Cisneros ultimately won.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

There are a few specific races in 2018 that were ultimately decided by late mail-in ballots in areas that had a higher proportion of absentee ballots.

I live in one! It was a super exciting week to watch the initial in-person lead of the incumbent (R) dwindle slowly hour by hour and eventually become eclipsed by the ultimately victorious (D) challenger.

Mail-in voting is great.

Not if you're on the losing side. Postal votes (here) used to dominated by farmers and nursing home residents, they voted for the center-right party. It was no fun at all waiting for postals to come in!