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Has the Recent Unrest in The US Led You to Change Your Mind on Who You'll Vote For?(Any Position)

Yes
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7%
No
67
58%
I Don't Know
3
3%
I Can't Vote(too young/outside the US
38
33%
 
Total votes : 116

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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:39 am

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Valrifell wrote:I don't think it's possible to win the popular vote by 14 points and still lose the EC.

See 2016.


2016 was decided by a popular vote of 2% and Trump winning the likes of PA, MI, and WI by a combined total of 75,000 votes, a far cry from the hypothetical of a 14% margin. Of course, Democrats should be wary with the likes of NH, MN, ME, and NV but given turnout in those States wasn't as high as it should have been (and the present of stronger than usual 3rd parties and a lousy candidate by the name of Clinton), Democrats should perform better in those States this time around.
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Postby United States of Devonta » Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:45 am

Zurkerx wrote:
-Astoria wrote:See 2016.


2016 was decided by a popular vote of 2% and Trump winning the likes of PA, MI, and WI by a combined total of 75,000 votes, a far cry from the hypothetical of a 14% margin. Of course, Democrats should be wary with the likes of NH, MN, ME, and NV but given turnout in those States wasn't as high as it should have been (and the present of stronger than usual 3rd parties and a lousy candidate by the name of Clinton), Democrats should perform better in those States this time around.


Democratic primary turnout is at record highs too. Even with only one true candidate now.
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:51 am

United States of Devonta wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
2016 was decided by a popular vote of 2% and Trump winning the likes of PA, MI, and WI by a combined total of 75,000 votes, a far cry from the hypothetical of a 14% margin. Of course, Democrats should be wary with the likes of NH, MN, ME, and NV but given turnout in those States wasn't as high as it should have been (and the present of stronger than usual 3rd parties and a lousy candidate by the name of Clinton), Democrats should perform better in those States this time around.


Democratic primary turnout is at record highs too. Even with only one true candidate now.


You would be right if we didn't have the pandemic going on: turnout is lower because of that; it's lower than 2016. Of course, there's more enthusiasm for Democrats this time around though that enthusiasm mostly translates to "get Trump out of office".
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Postby United States of Devonta » Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:56 am

Zurkerx wrote:
United States of Devonta wrote:
Democratic primary turnout is at record highs too. Even with only one true candidate now.


You would be right if we didn't have the pandemic going on: turnout is lower because of that; it's lower than 2016. Of course, there's more enthusiasm for Democrats this time around though that enthusiasm mostly translates to "get Trump out of office".


According to exit polls that's what drove Biden over Bernie, even though dem voters overwhelmingly supported Bernie on policy. Bernie won the policy battle and Biden won the electability battle.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:00 am

Valrifell wrote:
-Astoria wrote:Sadly, the real election appears to rest with the electoral college.


I don't think it's possible to win the popular vote by 14 points and still lose the EC.

Its not

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:01 am

United States of Devonta wrote:
-Astoria wrote:Sadly, the real election appears to rest with the electoral college.


It its that margin in the popular vote, Joe Biden most likely wins the EC too. Including Florida, NC, Iowa, and Ohio. Maybe even Georgia. Doubt it though.

If he picks KLB as his VP Georgia is going blue. She is insanely popular here
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Postby Jerzylvania » Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:19 am

CNN/SSRS Poll - General Election MOE = +/-3.4%

Biden 55% Trump 41%


Poll shows Biden now leading way outside margin of error. :)
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:21 am

Jerzylvania wrote:CNN/SSRS Poll - General Election MOE = +/-3.4%

Biden 55% Trump 41%


Poll shows Biden now leading way outside margin of error. :)

If the margin is anywhere close to that we are looking at a blue mega tsunami. 2018 will look like nothing

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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:23 am

Zurkerx wrote:
United States of Devonta wrote:
Democratic primary turnout is at record highs too. Even with only one true candidate now.


You would be right if we didn't have the pandemic going on: turnout is lower because of that; it's lower than 2016. Of course, there's more enthusiasm for Democrats this time around though that enthusiasm mostly translates to "get Trump out of office".


Which is why Trump is desperate to suppress mail-in voting.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:24 am

San Lumen wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:CNN/SSRS Poll - General Election MOE = +/-3.4%

Biden 55% Trump 41%


Poll shows Biden now leading way outside margin of error. :)

If the margin is anywhere close to that we are looking at a blue mega tsunami. 2018 will look like nothing


Yeah! And a number like that might even sweep the self proclaimed grim reaper of the US Senate Mitch McConnell out of office. Icing on the cake.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:26 am

Jerzylvania wrote:
San Lumen wrote:If the margin is anywhere close to that we are looking at a blue mega tsunami. 2018 will look like nothing


Yeah! And a number like that might even sweep the self proclaimed grim reaper of the US Senate Mitch McConnell out of office. Icing on the cake.


That would be amazing and the damage in state legislatures would be epic. 2022 would likely not be a repeat of 2010 and 2014.

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Postby United States of Devonta » Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:58 am

Vassenor wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
You would be right if we didn't have the pandemic going on: turnout is lower because of that; it's lower than 2016. Of course, there's more enthusiasm for Democrats this time around though that enthusiasm mostly translates to "get Trump out of office".


Which is why Trump is desperate to suppress mail-in voting.


Republicans benefit from less voter turnout. More non-voters is a plus to them. I hope they never try to fancy themselves as the party of the people. They are not.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:02 am

United States of Devonta wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Which is why Trump is desperate to suppress mail-in voting.


Republicans benefit from less voter turnout. More non-voters is a plus to them. I hope they never try to fancy themselves as the party of the people. They are not.


That was the whole schtick Trump ran on in 2016.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:45 am



Colin Powell's lie in front of the UN directly led to the deaths of over one million Iraqis. Why does anyone care what he thinks?
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:49 am

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Colin Powell's lie in front of the UN directly led to the deaths of over one million Iraqis. Why does anyone care what he thinks?


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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:52 am

Vassenor wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Colin Powell's lie in front of the UN directly led to the deaths of over one million Iraqis. Why does anyone care what he thinks?


#butiraq

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"I'm willing to forgive unjustified wars, regional destabilization, and countless civilian deaths because I don't like Trump"
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Postby United States of Devonta » Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:59 am

Bear Stearns wrote:


Colin Powell's lie in front of the UN directly led to the deaths of over one million Iraqis. Why does anyone care what he thinks?


Trump also supported the war. Then lied and said he didn't.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:24 am

Bear Stearns wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
#butiraq

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"I'm willing to forgive unjustified wars, regional destabilization, and countless civilian deaths because I don't like Trump"


You're getting straw on the carpet.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:27 am

Vassenor wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
"I'm willing to forgive unjustified wars, regional destabilization, and countless civilian deaths because I don't like Trump"


You're getting straw on the carpet.


It's really hard to see what you were getting at with that post, though.
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Postby -Astoria » Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:29 am

United States of Devonta wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Colin Powell's lie in front of the UN directly led to the deaths of over one million Iraqis. Why does anyone care what he thinks?


Trump also supported the war. Then lied and said he didn't.


But that apparently doesn't matter because "Trump man good", or whatever.

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Postby Aclion » Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:44 am


This really isn't surprising. Colin Powell has endorsed Barack Obama twice and endorsed Hillary Clinton. His metric for what makes a good president seems to be how many countries they'll invade.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:58 am

Aclion wrote:

This really isn't surprising. Colin Powell has endorsed Barack Obama twice and endorsed Hillary Clinton. His metric for what makes a good president seems to be how many countries they'll invade.

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Postby Cisairse » Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:21 am

Donald Trump's approval rating is now 41.4%, the lowest it has been since November 20.

Notably, an approval rating of 41.4% and a disapproval rating of 54.3% is very close to (within MOE) that CNN poll this morning that showed Biden as 14 points above Trump. This suggestions that, unlike Hillary Clinton, Biden is successfully capturing virtually all of the non-Trump votes.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:02 pm

Cisairse wrote:Donald Trump's approval rating is now 41.4%, the lowest it has been since November 20.

Notably, an approval rating of 41.4% and a disapproval rating of 54.3% is very close to (within MOE) that CNN poll this morning that showed Biden as 14 points above Trump. This suggestions that, unlike Hillary Clinton, Biden is successfully capturing virtually all of the non-Trump votes.


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Postby Jerzylvania » Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:06 pm

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Regarding to the location of the Convention for the Democratic Party, I'd say somewhere in the Northern States? What do you think guys?


Well, we know that it'll be in Milwaukee, but we don't know what form it will take.


Regarding the poll, I feel there's a response missing. That would be "whatever they decide" which is not exactly no opinion, but close.
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