2020 US General Election Thread VII: Summer of Discontent

[Shofercia]

I really don’t know how much to trust Bolton, he refused to testify anything under oath. If every single thing he mentions in the book is 100% true, I can’t imagine, in any world, why he would not testify it under oath during the investigation.

We’ve also had quite a few of these books by former Trump Admin people, Fire and Fury was the best imo, but the rest had some pretty clear made up stuff. The Trump Admin has a habit of hiring pathological liars

No argument there, after all the Trump Admin hired Bolton, the very definition of a pathological liar. And Trump ain't exactly honest either, I just trust him more than Bolton and the Chinese government combined. Granted, that's not saying much. As for anyone who orchestrated the Iraq War testifying under oath, just remember the following words, repeated ad nauseum: "I do not recall"

As has been pointed out, if Bolton was bullshitting then Trump wouldn't be so desperate to leverage security clearance excuses to stop the book from being released.

Didn't you claim that Trump lied to be elected? If that's the case, wouldn't it stem to reason that Trump understands the power of lies in an election cycle? And if that's the case, wouldn't it follow that even if Bolton's book is a bunch of lies, (which it is,) it could still hurt Trump's reelection chances, and if that's the case - doesn't that render the above quote as idiotic? Why yes, yes it does.

As has been pointed out, if Bolton was bullshitting then Trump wouldn't be so desperate to leverage security clearance excuses to stop the book from being released.

Yet he didn’t testify a single thing under oath. Not one thing. If he had that much stuff, in any world he would’ve testified. This is not something you can ignore, and I’m not one to take John Bolton’s word for anything, so if his book has corroborating sources and other WH officials back up his claims, then I’ll be convinced.

Bolton's corroborating evidence: a call that may, or may not have been made. Considering that those are the only two options for a call, his corroborating evidence is just laughable. No wonder he refused to testify under oath in front of a Democratic House, but when it came to a Republican Senate, he was all for it, knowing full well that the Senate would be like "lol, nope!" I think it'd be hilarious if the Senate called him in, and started asking him about the Iraq War lies he told.

[Thermodolia]

Dear whomever thought that using Bolton against Trump was a good idea, what the actual fuck are you doing? When I made fun of certain Democrats for allying Neocons to oust Trump, I didn't think that they were actually going to do that. Your craze of anyone but Trump, of "Orange Man Bad" has reach moronic proportions - you're actually siding with John fucking Bolton? The architect of the Iraq War? Why?! Who thought that this would be a good idea?

Remember 2008? Remember Barack Obama? I'm no fan of his foreign policy, but prior to the Arab Spring his foreign policy was decent. Remember what he ran on? Partially it was being anti-Iraq War. You guys consider Rolling Stone liberal? Here's Rolling Stone on Bolton: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... al-882916/



As if that wasn't bad enough, the World's changed. The US is no longer the powerhouse that the US was in 2003. There's less support for war in the US quite a few countries will stand up to blatant, Bolton-style aggression. Now, I know what you're saying "we're just using Bolton to oust Trump, we won't let him anywhere near foreign policy" - that's until he finds a way to get dirt on you. That's until he gets corporations in line for yet another fiasco, where corporations make huge profits, and American taxpayers are left holding the tab.

You argued that Trump was bad for illegal immigrants, that he kept them in cages. Bolton had Fallujah, Gitmo, heck, he probably masturbated to that wedding being bombed. And what am I seeing? Stephen Colbert, who is supposed to be a follower of Jon Stewart, reading excerpts from Bolton's book. The Times, the Post, all eagerly lining up with yet another dose of Orange Man Bad. If you go through with this, you deserve the humiliation that might come. Here's how Bolton was looked at, when Trump appointed him: https://theintercept.com/2016/12/15/if- ... hn-bolton/



How can you talk about how bad Iraq was, when you're getting in bed with Bolton? This is the strongest argument to vote for Trump that I've yet seen, because if your argument against Trump is that he doesn't fuck over brown people hard enough, and, let's face it, this is the Neocon argument against Trump, you have no legs to stand on. Fucking disgraceful. /end rant

I really don’t know how much to trust Bolton, he refused to testify anything under oath. If every single thing he mentions in the book is 100% true, I can’t imagine, in any world, why he would not testify it under oath during the investigation.

We’ve also had quite a few of these books by former Trump Admin people, Fire and Fury was the best imo, but the rest had some pretty clear made up stuff. The Trump Admin has a habit of hiring pathological liars

He didn’t want to testify because he wanted to make money off of the book. Testifying would have caused him lost sales

[Shofercia]

Yet he didn’t testify a single thing under oath. Not one thing. If he had that much stuff, in any world he would’ve testified. This is not something you can ignore, and I’m not one to take John Bolton’s word for anything, so if his book has corroborating sources and other WH officials back up his claims, then I’ll be convinced.

Why would he have testified under oath? What would that have earned him?

Credibility. When you say "I'm so confident in my testimony, that I'm willing to be sued for it" that's a bit different than saying "Listen to my bullshit so I can get book money and start planning yet another war!"

What we learned from John Bolton's eye-popping tale of working with Trump

Quite a choice sampler platter.

Trump didn't like sanctions on Russia

So much for the apologist excuse that Trump imposed sanctions on Russia.

Trump wanted Attorney General Bill Barr to make CNN reporters 'serve time in jail'

Something something Enemy of the People.

Whoah, you actually made that size 150. Except Bolton's proof for Trump not liking sanctions on Russia was a phone call that might or might not have taken place. What does this remind me of?

Also, didn't you just claim that I was a fan of Trump University, when I've been trashing that for years, Gormwood? But hey, keep on running with Bolton, I'm sure that serve the Democratic Party really well when it comes to the 2020 elections:



But remember, if Progressives don't vote for the Bolton testimony embracing Democrats, they're just all ubah-ebul Bernies Bros.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

I really don’t know how much to trust Bolton, he refused to testify anything under oath. If every single thing he mentions in the book is 100% true, I can’t imagine, in any world, why he would not testify it under oath during the investigation.

We’ve also had quite a few of these books by former Trump Admin people, Fire and Fury was the best imo, but the rest had some pretty clear made up stuff. The Trump Admin has a habit of hiring pathological liars

He didn’t want to testify because he wanted to make money off of the book. Testifying would have caused him lost sales

If that was his goal then he’s done a good job, I’ll probably be first in line to buy the book

I still don’t believe a thing John Bolton says without corroborating accounts and solid evidence, if there’s one person in government who’s a bigger liar than Trump, it’s him

[Shofercia]

I really don’t know how much to trust Bolton, he refused to testify anything under oath. If every single thing he mentions in the book is 100% true, I can’t imagine, in any world, why he would not testify it under oath during the investigation.

We’ve also had quite a few of these books by former Trump Admin people, Fire and Fury was the best imo, but the rest had some pretty clear made up stuff. The Trump Admin has a habit of hiring pathological liars

He didn’t want to testify because he wanted to make money off of the book. Testifying would have caused him lost sales

I disagree. If I had a book out, and it was truth rather than bullshit, the testimony could have served as an excellent teaser. Corey Lewandowski had a book out, and he still testified, mentioning his book as often as possible.

[Ifreann]

Why would he have testified under oath? What would that have earned him?

Credibility. When you say "I'm so confident in my testimony, that I'm willing to be sued for it" that's a bit different than saying "Listen to my bullshit so I can get book money and start planning yet another war!"

You can't buy a yacht with credibility.

[Thermodolia]

Dude the Chinese themselves have said they would rather have Trump in office than Biden as Trump will damage US relations with US allies while Biden won’t.

The parts about China definitely aren’t faked

The Chinese would rather have someone who'll take American industries to Vietnam, rather than someone who wouldn't?

But he hasn’t. All he’s done is talk hot air and done jackshit. Biden has said that he will be tough on China. Besides labor costs in China are too expensive for most companies, so a lot are moving out already. Biden has said that he’ll help it along.

Everyone has realized that China is bad for Business.

I know what they said, but the Chinese, the government not the people, don't exactly have a history of honesty with the whole "Murika totally did Coronavirus" claim.

Two different sources saying the same thing independent of eachother isn’t some fluke

As for Biden not damaging relations with US allies, I'm sure that Germany's really excited about yet more opposition to Nordstream 2, France is dying for more wars and refugees, the Brits want more fiscal losses due to warfare that Biden will inevitably spark, etc.

Because we all know that Biden will get us into a war and not Trump. Dude Trump nearly got us into a shooting match with Iran and Bolton wasn’t apart of his administration then.

If the Chinese say that they'd rather have Trump, who would they rather have?

I’m not sure what the hell you are trying to say here

Also, I'm not sure why soybeans are the only way to get farmers to vote for Trump, considering he could simply increase farming subsidies and that'll have the same effect.

Because Trump is an idiot, who says dumb shit?

[South Odreria 2]

I think he’s good at math but he’s still on my list of stupid

Because?

I mean no pollster or pundit is perfect, but FiveThirtyEight makes some excellent content, and is generally quite reliable/accurate.

Yeah I listen to his math but not his dumb wrong opinions

[Thermodolia]

He didn’t want to testify because he wanted to make money off of the book. Testifying would have caused him lost sales

I disagree. If I had a book out, and it was truth rather than bullshit, the testimony could have served as an excellent teaser. Corey Lewandowski had a book out, and he still testified, mentioning his book as often as possible.

You, me, and Lewandowski are moral beings. Bolton only cares about himself.

[Shofercia]

He didn’t want to testify because he wanted to make money off of the book. Testifying would have caused him lost sales

If that was his goal then he’s done a good job, I’ll probably be first in line to buy the book

I still don’t believe a thing John Bolton says without corroborating accounts and solid evidence, if there’s one person in government who’s a bigger liar than Trump, it’s him

"Iraq totally had WMDs, k, can we like invade Iran now?" https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... korea-iran

John Bolton left because Trump wouldn’t let him start a war [because] there was always going to be a conflict between Trump’s “America First” and Bolton’s “America Everywhere” John Bolton’s ouster as President Donald Trump’s national security adviser reveals something important: Even the deepest Washington insider and pro-war advocate can fail to push this commander in chief to start a major conflict.

When Bolton joined the administration in April 2018, the worry was that the arch nationalist hawk would convince the war-averse Trump to see the world as he did. Here was a guy who for decades called for bombing North Korea and Iran, exercising unilateral American power around the world, and cutting tethers to international institutions. Bolton actually had a thought-out worldview that in many ways mirrored Trump’s. The question was if the top aide could channel the president’s instincts into actions that he has long wanted an administration to embrace.

In some cases, he succeeded. Trump last year withdrew the US from the Iran nuclear deal, an agreement Bolton railed against and wanted torn apart since Barack Obama signed it. And this year the president backed an effort to remove Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro — a socialist dictator that Bolton has repeatedly criticized — from power.

But Bolton is most known for openly and passionately calling on the US to bomb nations he deems irredeemably dangerous. North Korea and Iran held a special place in his heart, writing that America should attack them for pursuing nuclear weapons and even advocating regime change. Doves worried aloud that missiles would start flying soon after Bolton stepped foot inside the Oval Office. It wasn’t to be, thankfully.

Also, I've always been anti-Bolton. I've been against him when he was against Obama, and now I'm against him, when he's against Trump. Bolton is responsible for: https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/cos ... ians/iraqi

we know that over 182,000 civilians have died from direct war related violence caused by the US, its allies, the Iraqi military and police, and opposition forces from the time of the invasion through November 2018.

And I find the recent hailing of Bolton disgusting by some in the "Orange Man Bad" crowd. 182,000 deaths, quite a few of them innocent women and children, from an unnecessary and avoidable war, isn't enough? What is? Something tells me that if Bolton started a nuclear war and then offered evidence against Trump, some in the "Orange Man Bad" crowd would still consider his testimony.

[Thermodolia]

If that was his goal then he’s done a good job, I’ll probably be first in line to buy the book

I still don’t believe a thing John Bolton says without corroborating accounts and solid evidence, if there’s one person in government who’s a bigger liar than Trump, it’s him

"Iraq totally had WMDs, k, can we like invade Iran now?" https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... korea-iran

John Bolton left because Trump wouldn’t let him start a war [because] there was always going to be a conflict between Trump’s “America First” and Bolton’s “America Everywhere” John Bolton’s ouster as President Donald Trump’s national security adviser reveals something important: Even the deepest Washington insider and pro-war advocate can fail to push this commander in chief to start a major conflict.

When Bolton joined the administration in April 2018, the worry was that the arch nationalist hawk would convince the war-averse Trump to see the world as he did. Here was a guy who for decades called for bombing North Korea and Iran, exercising unilateral American power around the world, and cutting tethers to international institutions. Bolton actually had a thought-out worldview that in many ways mirrored Trump’s. The question was if the top aide could channel the president’s instincts into actions that he has long wanted an administration to embrace.

In some cases, he succeeded. Trump last year withdrew the US from the Iran nuclear deal, an agreement Bolton railed against and wanted torn apart since Barack Obama signed it. And this year the president backed an effort to remove Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro — a socialist dictator that Bolton has repeatedly criticized — from power.

But Bolton is most known for openly and passionately calling on the US to bomb nations he deems irredeemably dangerous. North Korea and Iran held a special place in his heart, writing that America should attack them for pursuing nuclear weapons and even advocating regime change. Doves worried aloud that missiles would start flying soon after Bolton stepped foot inside the Oval Office. It wasn’t to be, thankfully.

Also, I've always been anti-Bolton. I've been against him when he was against Obama, and now I'm against him, when he's against Trump. Bolton is responsible for: https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/cos ... ians/iraqi

we know that over 182,000 civilians have died from direct war related violence caused by the US, its allies, the Iraqi military and police, and opposition forces from the time of the invasion through November 2018.

And I find the recent hailing of Bolton disgusting by some in the "Orange Man Bad" crowd. 182,000 deaths, quite a few of them innocent women and children, from an unnecessary and avoidable war, isn't enough? What is? Something tells me that if Bolton started a nuclear war and then offered evidence against Trump, some in the "Orange Man Bad" crowd would still consider his testimony.

I’m not hailing him as a great guy. I think of Bolton as that witness that the prosecution uses to help take down the mafia and then throws in prison after he’s served his purpose.

Also if the book was totally bullshit why is the Trump administration asking for an emergency injunction against it?

[Shofercia]

Credibility. When you say "I'm so confident in my testimony, that I'm willing to be sued for it" that's a bit different than saying "Listen to my bullshit so I can get book money and start planning yet another war!"

You can't buy a yacht with credibility.

Lewandowski testified. His book is selling just fine. Testifying in front of the US Congress is like a free teaser trailer for your book, but there's one requirement: the trailer must be honest. If that's the case, why wouldn't you offer a free teaser trailer?

The Chinese would rather have someone who'll take American industries to Vietnam, rather than someone who wouldn't?

But he hasn’t. All he’s done is talk hot air and done jackshit. Biden has said that he will be tough on China. Besides labor costs in China are too expensive for most companies, so a lot are moving out already. Biden has said that he’ll help it along.

Everyone has realized that China is bad for Business.

Didn't Trump push for trade deals with Vietnam that he signed, thus enabling US companies to shift from China to Vietnam?

I know what they said, but the Chinese, the government not the people, don't exactly have a history of honesty with the whole "Murika totally did Coronavirus" claim.

Two different sources saying the same thing independent of eachother isn’t some fluke

Two different sources who want the same thing - US to invade Iran? China kept Iran out of full membership in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, even though the SCO took on a more controversial partner in Pakistan. If the US invades Iran, that's perfect for China, as it'll wear down America's power projection, and let China dominate the US in Africa. If I was a Chinese official, I'd be backing everything that Bolton says.

As for Biden not damaging relations with US allies, I'm sure that Germany's really excited about yet more opposition to Nordstream 2, France is dying for more wars and refugees, the Brits want more fiscal losses due to warfare that Biden will inevitably spark, etc.

Because we all know that Biden will get us into a war and not Trump. Dude Trump nearly got us into a shooting match with Iran and Bolton wasn’t apart of his administration then.

Trump took out an Iranian commander in Iraq. If he did so in Iran, I'd agree with you, but that wasn't the case.

If the Chinese say that they'd rather have Trump, who would they rather have?

I’m not sure what the hell you are trying to say here

Americans hate foreign interference in America's election, so China trying reverse psychology here might actually work.

Also, I'm not sure why soybeans are the only way to get farmers to vote for Trump, considering he could simply increase farming subsidies and that'll have the same effect.

Because Trump is an idiot, who says dumb shit?

Well, duh! But I also doubt that he'd actually trust China with his reelection chances.

I disagree. If I had a book out, and it was truth rather than bullshit, the testimony could have served as an excellent teaser. Corey Lewandowski had a book out, and he still testified, mentioning his book as often as possible.

You, me, and Lewandowski are moral beings. Bolton only cares about himself.

Bolton is a war addict, who cares about starting wars more than he cares about himself. That's the problem. He's like a crack cocaine addict, but he replaced crack cocaine with warfare.

[Ifreann]

You can't buy a yacht with credibility.

Lewandowski testified. His book is selling just fine. Testifying in front of the US Congress is like a free teaser trailer for your book, but there's one requirement: the trailer must be honest. If that's the case, why wouldn't you offer a free teaser trailer?

I guess we'll see how badly Bolton's book sales suffer.

[Shofercia]

I’m not hailing him as a great guy. I think of Bolton as that witness that the prosecution uses to help take down the mafia and then throws in prison after he’s served his purpose.

Also if the book was totally bullshit why is the Trump administration asking for an emergency injunction against it?

Because Trump knows that bullshit can win elections. If all that happens is Bolton being used against Trump to help Biden win, and then thrown in prison, if that's all that happens, I will admit that I was wrong in this very thread, and be glad that I was wrong, because I do not want a war with Iran, or North Korea, or Venezuela, or for the US to pull out of the UNSC. Guess who supports all of those stances? John Bolton.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/ ... ran-836454

Bolton served as a U.S. ambassador to the U.N. during the George W. Bush administration, a perch he used to denounce the institution in which he kept an office. Bolton railed at the U.N. as bloated, inefficient and a potential threat to U.S. sovereignty. He infamously suggested that if the 39-story tower on Manhattan’s East River “lost 10 stories, it wouldn’t make a bit of difference.”

It’s little wonder, then, that Bolton’s return to the U.N. is the subject of chatter among U.N. officials and diplomats already converging in New York. Some diplomats are wary about the mustachioed Trump adviser refreshing his U.N. broadsides, while others are looking to gauge Bolton’s influence on the president and will be listening closely for echoes of his rhetoric in Trump’s own words.

“J.B. is coming home,” quipped one Trump administration official, warning anyone who might wonder whether he’s softened his views toward the world body: “He hasn’t changed.”

He actually said that the UN was a threat to US sovereignty. He actually said that.

[Shofercia]

Lewandowski testified. His book is selling just fine. Testifying in front of the US Congress is like a free teaser trailer for your book, but there's one requirement: the trailer must be honest. If that's the case, why wouldn't you offer a free teaser trailer?

I guess we'll see how badly Bolton's book sales suffer.

You can't really measure how well, or poorly, the book did because of an ad that never ran. My point was that when we had previous people testify, it didn't hurt their book sales, and arguably helped them. If someone's offering you free ad space, you don't have to take it, and you shouldn't if you don't meet the requirements, one of which, in this case, is honesty. Considering that Bolton argued about the UN being a threat to the US, I doubt that honesty is a trait that he has.

[Thermodolia]

I’m not hailing him as a great guy. I think of Bolton as that witness that the prosecution uses to help take down the mafia and then throws in prison after he’s served his purpose.

Also if the book was totally bullshit why is the Trump administration asking for an emergency injunction against it?

Because Trump knows that bullshit can win elections. If all that happens is Bolton being used against Trump to help Biden win, and then thrown in prison, if that's all that happens, I will admit that I was wrong in this very thread, and be glad that I was wrong, because I do not want a war with Iran, or North Korea, or Venezuela, or for the US to pull out of the UNSC. Guess who supports all of those stances? John Bolton.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/ ... ran-836454

Bolton served as a U.S. ambassador to the U.N. during the George W. Bush administration, a perch he used to denounce the institution in which he kept an office. Bolton railed at the U.N. as bloated, inefficient and a potential threat to U.S. sovereignty. He infamously suggested that if the 39-story tower on Manhattan’s East River “lost 10 stories, it wouldn’t make a bit of difference.”

It’s little wonder, then, that Bolton’s return to the U.N. is the subject of chatter among U.N. officials and diplomats already converging in New York. Some diplomats are wary about the mustachioed Trump adviser refreshing his U.N. broadsides, while others are looking to gauge Bolton’s influence on the president and will be listening closely for echoes of his rhetoric in Trump’s own words.

“J.B. is coming home,” quipped one Trump administration official, warning anyone who might wonder whether he’s softened his views toward the world body: “He hasn’t changed.”

He actually said that the UN was a threat to US sovereignty. He actually said that.

I actually agree with him on the UN bit. Though I don’t think we should leave the UNSC but cut our funding and kick them out of NYC.

And we aren’t going to be going to war with anyone any time soon. What we need is containment and Trump has failed on that front.

[Shofercia]

Because Trump knows that bullshit can win elections. If all that happens is Bolton being used against Trump to help Biden win, and then thrown in prison, if that's all that happens, I will admit that I was wrong in this very thread, and be glad that I was wrong, because I do not want a war with Iran, or North Korea, or Venezuela, or for the US to pull out of the UNSC. Guess who supports all of those stances? John Bolton.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/ ... ran-836454



He actually said that the UN was a threat to US sovereignty. He actually said that.

I actually agree with him on the UN bit. Though I don’t think we should leave the UNSC but cut our funding and kick them out of NYC.

And we aren’t going to be going to war with anyone any time soon. What we need is containment and Trump has failed on that front.

Yep, no war, heard that back in 2000: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx8V4mYedEo

You can argue that some organizations in the UN should be cut, or that the US gives too much money to the UN, but to claim that the UN is a threat to the US, or that it's a threat to any UNSC member state? That's what I found to be ridiculous.

[San Lumen]

https://www.elle.com/culture/career-pol ... interview/

Not sure if this belongs here as the election isn't until next year but two black woman are now running for Governor of Virginia next year Delegate Jennifer Carroll Foy and State Senator Jennifer McClellan

[Gormwood]

I disagree. If I had a book out, and it was truth rather than bullshit, the testimony could have served as an excellent teaser. Corey Lewandowski had a book out, and he still testified, mentioning his book as often as possible.

You, me, and Lewandowski are moral beings. Bolton only cares about himself.

The guy who calls special needs children Womp Womps is moral? Since when?

[San Lumen]

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5 ... te-primary

State Rep Charles Booker leads Amy McGrath by eight in probubly the last poll before the primary on Tuesday.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/503379-poll-booker-leads-mcgrath-by-8-points-in-kentucky-senate-primary

State Rep Charles Booker leads Amy McGrath by eight in probubly the last poll before the primary on Tuesday.

Being black is a huge political advantage right now

[Crockerland]

Because Trump knows that bullshit can win elections. If all that happens is Bolton being used against Trump to help Biden win, and then thrown in prison, if that's all that happens, I will admit that I was wrong in this very thread, and be glad that I was wrong, because I do not want a war with Iran, or North Korea, or Venezuela, or for the US to pull out of the UNSC. Guess who supports all of those stances? John Bolton.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/ ... ran-836454



He actually said that the UN was a threat to US sovereignty. He actually said that.

I actually agree with him on the UN bit. Though I don’t think we should leave the UNSC but cut our funding and kick them out of NYC.

But without the UN who will advocate for the Islamic terrorists and their state sponsors?

[Khadgar]

Lewandowski testified. His book is selling just fine. Testifying in front of the US Congress is like a free teaser trailer for your book, but there's one requirement: the trailer must be honest. If that's the case, why wouldn't you offer a free teaser trailer?

I guess we'll see how badly Bolton's book sales suffer.

I refuse to buy it, fuck him.

[Gormwood]

I actually agree with him on the UN bit. Though I don’t think we should leave the UNSC but cut our funding and kick them out of NYC.

But without the UN who will advocate for the Islamic terrorists and their state sponsors?

Why, Donald Trump of course!

[The Huskar Social Union]

Because Trump knows that bullshit can win elections. If all that happens is Bolton being used against Trump to help Biden win, and then thrown in prison, if that's all that happens, I will admit that I was wrong in this very thread, and be glad that I was wrong, because I do not want a war with Iran, or North Korea, or Venezuela, or for the US to pull out of the UNSC. Guess who supports all of those stances? John Bolton.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/ ... ran-836454



He actually said that the UN was a threat to US sovereignty. He actually said that.

I actually agree with him on the UN bit. Though I don’t think we should leave the UNSC but cut our funding and kick them out of NYC.

And we aren’t going to be going to war with anyone any time soon. What we need is containment and Trump has failed on that front.

The UN needs to come up with a proper military force that can be used around the world.

Possibly some form of a Global Defence Initiative.