2020 US General Election Thread VII: Summer of Discontent

[Post War America]

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/512718-kanye-west-seeking-to-get-on-wyoming-ballot-report

Kanye West is attempting to get on the ballot in Wyoming. Its highly unlikely he makes any difference in this ruby red state. There are rumors he might run for governor in 2022 as he has a home there.

A smart Democratic Campaign would actively try and boost West in that state, and in others split off some Republican votes, as West clearly has intended to campaign from the right.

[San Lumen]

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/512718-kanye-west-seeking-to-get-on-wyoming-ballot-report

Kanye West is attempting to get on the ballot in Wyoming. Its highly unlikely he makes any difference in this ruby red state. There are rumors he might run for governor in 2022 as he has a home there.

A smart Democratic Campaign would actively try and boost West in that state, and in others split off some Republican votes, as West clearly has intended to campaign from the right.

If he gets on the ballot it might be worth spending a little there if by election day Biden is up by a wide margin. Its such a ruby red state and for so few electoral votes it almost makes it not worth it.

On the other hand i'd like to see the Wyoming Dems have more of a presence. Currently many seats in the legislature are uncontested and they dont hold a single statewide office.

[Post War America]

A smart Democratic Campaign would actively try and boost West in that state, and in others split off some Republican votes, as West clearly has intended to campaign from the right.

If he gets on the ballot it might be worth spending a little there if by election day Biden is up by a wide margin. Its such a ruby red state and for so few electoral votes it almost makes it not worth it.

On the other hand i'd like to see the Wyoming Dems have more of a presence. Currently many seats in the legislature are uncontested and they dont hold a single statewide office.

I mean, if the Green Party exists as a Republican ploy to weaken the Dems in races, surely it would be wise to do the same with the Libertarians.

[San Lumen]

If he gets on the ballot it might be worth spending a little there if by election day Biden is up by a wide margin. Its such a ruby red state and for so few electoral votes it almost makes it not worth it.

On the other hand i'd like to see the Wyoming Dems have more of a presence. Currently many seats in the legislature are uncontested and they dont hold a single statewide office.

I mean, if the Green Party exists as a Republican ploy to weaken the Dems in races, surely it would be wise to do the same with the Libertarians.

You have a point

[Asle Leopolka]

Hillary Clinton’s Bittersweet Return to the Democratic Convention

There is nothing "bittersweet" about this, just bitter. There is nobody in the DNC more polarizing than her, nor is there anyone with a bigger target on their backs than her. She's an anachronism and a sign that the Dems are far too stuck in the past.

[Rusozak]

Joe Biden according to Trump ads: Radical extreme leftist who is always in red light for some reason. Also something about cocaine.

I wish Joe Biden were as cool as Republicans made him out to be.

Should take up playing the sax like Bill Clinton.

[Shrillland]

Yooooo my man is going to Washington.

Im glad he won. We could use more young people in politics. I hope the incumbent doesn't run a write in campaign. A recount is likely though I think I read that Kansas does not have automatic recounts and Mr Frownfelter must pay for the recount himself

erm...you sure about that? https://www.yahoo.com/news/19-old-admitted-blackmail-revenge-171504424.html

[Gravlen]

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/512718-kanye-west-seeking-to-get-on-wyoming-ballot-report

Kanye West is attempting to get on the ballot in Wyoming. Its highly unlikely he makes any difference in this ruby red state. There are rumors he might run for governor in 2022 as he has a home there.

A smart Democratic Campaign would actively try and boost West in that state, and in others split off some Republican votes, as West clearly has intended to campaign from the right.

In the mean time, turns out it's actually the Trump campaign behind the West campaign:

The rapper’s campaign has been supported by Republican operatives and West told Forbes this month that he was “walking” for president and said he wasn’t “denying” that he is looking to take votes from Biden.

That includes Jared Kushner.

Inside Kanye Wests almost daily chats with Jared Kushner and whether the White House exploits his mental state

[Ngelmish]

Yes, I mentioned Cambodia, something that you, anti-interventionist should have opposed. I alluded to Nxion's ramping up of Vietnam, which you, anti-interventionist, should have found more egregious than LBJ's marginally smaller escalation. You're not arguing principles, you're arguing aesthetics. There is no serious evidence that Nixon would have moderated himself, and he escalated the hell out of Vietnam.

But tell us more about how you oppose all the neocons all the time.

C'mon man, now you're just making shit it up. You're got really wound up because I called out neocons. Telling.

I mean, I didn't cite Nixon's imaginary foreign policy in the years between '61 and '68 while discounting his actual record of escalation as president to whack the neocons -- that was your flex, and I'm mocking it because it runs completely counter to your actual point. I have no problem calling out neocons. I was opposed to Afghanistan when it happened, not just Iraq, because it was blatantly dishonest to pretend that we could go to war with an organization inside another country without going to war with said country and that was, and remains, a bad idea.

Maybe, if non intervention is a serious part of your politics, you shouldn't carve out bizarre rhetorical exceptions for Dick Nixon.

[United States of Devonta]

Im glad he won. We could use more young people in politics. I hope the incumbent doesn't run a write in campaign. A recount is likely though I think I read that Kansas does not have automatic recounts and Mr Frownfelter must pay for the recount himself

erm...you sure about that? https://www.yahoo.com/news/19-old-admitted-blackmail-revenge-171504424.html

The Kansas House Dems don't even want him, they openly condemned him. The Kansas Young Dems/College Dems also rejected him in his own county.

The guy has a very troubled history.

[San Lumen]

erm...you sure about that? https://www.yahoo.com/news/19-old-admitted-blackmail-revenge-171504424.html

The Kansas House Dems don't even want him, they openly condemned him. The Kansas Young Dems/College Dems also rejected him in his own county.

They guy has a very troubled history.

Yet he still won. If the recount affirms his victory the democratic process should be respected. Primary him in 2022

[Jedi Council]

And the right. They just call it “playing the race card” lol.

I mean, yeah, that's literally what it is most of the time. Either that or the gender or sexuality card. IdPol isn't some mysterious thing invented by the right, you can go read entire body's of work on it.

Well frankly, a vast majority of what goes on in politics is a form of identity politics.

Trump is a master at it; he has immense appeal to the white and uneducated voters that view "identity politics" as though they dont have an identity that is being appealed to and manipulated by the political class.

[United States of Devonta]

I mean, yeah, that's literally what it is most of the time. Either that or the gender or sexuality card. IdPol isn't some mysterious thing invented by the right, you can go read entire body's of work on it.

Well frankly, a vast majority of what goes on in politics is a form of identity politics.

Trump is a master at it; he has immense appeal to the white and uneducated voters that view "identity politics" as though they dont have an identity that is being appealed to and manipulated by the political class.

*Non-college educated

[Vassenor]

It's kind of funny how when you put Biden's policy proposals into plain English they don't sound anywhere near as conservative as people would have you believe.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I mean, yeah, that's literally what it is most of the time. Either that or the gender or sexuality card. IdPol isn't some mysterious thing invented by the right, you can go read entire body's of work on it.

Well frankly, a vast majority of what goes on in politics is a form of identity politics.

Trump is a master at it; he has immense appeal to the white and uneducated voters that view "identity politics" as though they dont have an identity that is being appealed to and manipulated by the political class.

Indeed he does, and I fully expect things to become even more racially divided going forward.

[Telconi]

The Kansas House Dems don't even want him, they openly condemned him. The Kansas Young Dems/College Dems also rejected him in his own county.

They guy has a very troubled history.

Yet he still won. If the recount affirms his victory the democratic process should be respected. Primary him in 2022

Perhaps the Kansas House has a mechanism to expel a member.

[Shrillland]

The Kansas House Dems don't even want him, they openly condemned him. The Kansas Young Dems/College Dems also rejected him in his own county.

They guy has a very troubled history.

Yet he still won. If the recount affirms his victory the democratic process should be respected. Primary him in 2022

Sure it should, by having the write-in proceed. Write-ins can succeed on occasion, especially when the current candidate is too troubled.

[San Lumen]

Yet he still won. If the recount affirms his victory the democratic process should be respected. Primary him in 2022

Perhaps the Kansas House has a mechanism to expel a member.

On what grounds would you expel him?

[Telconi]

Well frankly, a vast majority of what goes on in politics is a form of identity politics.

Trump is a master at it; he has immense appeal to the white and uneducated voters that view "identity politics" as though they dont have an identity that is being appealed to and manipulated by the political class.

Indeed he does, and I fully expect things to become even more racially divided going forward.

The racial division just keeps feeding itself.

[Shrillland]

Perhaps the Kansas House has a mechanism to expel a member.

On what grounds would you expel him?

Distributing child pornography, for that's technically what was done, and blackmail are quite serious offences, you know.

[Telconi]

Perhaps the Kansas House has a mechanism to expel a member.

On what grounds would you expel him?

Being a shithead.

[Major-Tom]

Im glad he won. We could use more young people in politics. I hope the incumbent doesn't run a write in campaign. A recount is likely though I think I read that Kansas does not have automatic recounts and Mr Frownfelter must pay for the recount himself

erm...you sure about that? https://www.yahoo.com/news/19-old-admitted-blackmail-revenge-171504424.html

Yikes....

[Uiiop]

It's kind of funny how when you put Biden's policy proposals into plain English they don't sound anywhere near as conservative as people would have you believe.

His directional stuff seems baked into his worldview. I'm not so sure he can be pushed on that and not by republicans as well.
Also relying on sourceless twitter screenshots is a poor argumentation.

[Saiwania]

Rumor? All the polls show him behind. I'm not remotely surprised since he's a shitty president. Donald Trump couldn't even do a good job as the captain of the good shop lollipop, much less as the commander and chief.

The point is that erasing 10 points off of his polling deficit is an incredible feat if it is true. If Trump can go to behind by 4 from behind by 14, it is feasible for him to go all the way in outright winning. Clinton was only ahead by 4 at this point and she lost in 2016. If Biden performs sufficiently weak, people could conceivably not care enough as to let Trump have 4 more years.

Nobody is quite sure why Trump is closing the gap as of late. I don't understand it myself, but there is plenty to indicate that Biden may be senile enough as to blow the race.

[Jedi Council]

Rumor? All the polls show him behind. I'm not remotely surprised since he's a shitty president. Donald Trump couldn't even do a good job as the captain of the good shop lollipop, much less as the commander and chief.

The point is that erasing 10 points off of his polling deficit is an incredible feat if it is true. If Trump can go to behind by 4 from behind by 14, it is feasible for him to go all the way in outright winning. Clinton was only ahead by 4 at this point and she lost in 2016. If Biden performs sufficiently weak, people could conceivably not care enough as to let Trump have 4 more years.

Nobody is quite sure why Trump is closing the gap as of late. I don't understand it myself, but there is plenty to indicate that Biden may be senile enough as to blow the race.

The latest rumor is that Donald Trump is surging in the polls. These are his best results in a long time. Biden is now only ahead by 4% because of a bad DNC showing. With the margin of error Trump could now be outright winning. This is no longer a Bagration rout, the line Trump is apparently stabilizing and with any luck, he's set to turn the situation around such as might've been the case if Erich Von Manstein were in charge of the Eastern Front early on and given free reign to manuver.

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/shock-po ... down-to-4/

Um, ever heard of an outlier? One poll does not indicate a "surge" and we certainly cant say that it's from the strange DNC because this poll was conducted between August 12th-15th, days before the DNC.

Polls since, per FiveThirtyEight have shown Bidens lead remaining comfortable, between 6 and 13 points, with the most likely average being somewhere around 8 or 9.

Per your own article;

FiveThirtyEight shows both CNN’s last poll, and the new poll released Sunday to be outliers. On June 8, when the last CNN survey was released, Biden was leading by an average of 7.2 points in the polls. On Sunday evening — even with the latest CNN poll averaged in — FiveThirtyEight shows Biden up by 8 points. Further, an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll released earlier Sunday showed Biden up 9, and the latest Fox News survey — out Friday — had Biden 7 points

So no, you can keep making strange Second World War metaphors and try to convince everyone Trump has already turned this thing around, but until you learn how to interpret polls properly, it will just remain wishful thinking.

"If it is true" is a bad place to start when it comes to polling, especially given all the contradictory evidence, as shown above.